The G5 automatic NY6 bid

[CJH9972]

If a school has enough fans and a donor base then they’d be in a P5 conference or as Boise State did where ESPN featured them every week.

And if the system is so messed up then why are G5’s accepting invitations to these bowl games? Put their money where their mouth is and don’t accept that “dirty money”.

There is no magic formula for getting invited into a P5 league and it shouldn't be necessary anyway. It is not that difficult to have a format where FBS = FBS and rules not votes determine where teams place. We don't have it because the format is all about what is best for P5 business and G5 teams play within that system because they have no power to change it and must still do what's best for their schools financially.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Virginia also has no business earning a bid.

Absolutely. I'd be fine with removing all conference tie ins to NY6 bowls.

 

[CJH9972]

Schedule 3 P5s that are all at or near the top of their conference.
Schedule 0 FCS teams.
Don't lose.
Hope that your SOS by following the above is one of the 4 best among the contenders.

And P5 teams can make the playoffs by doing less than that unless their unranked P5 opponents are treated like murderer's row. Beyond that, you can't have rules that reinforce the two class system.

 

[theboardref]

Absolutely. I'd be fine with removing all conference tie ins to NY6 bowls.

Remember when we had to sit through Illinois/USC instead of USC/Georgia in the 2008 Rose Bowl? Instead Georgia got to play Hawaii... boy oh boy what matchups.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Remember when we had to sit through Illinois/USC instead of USC/Georgia in the 2008 Rose Bowl? Instead Georgia got to play Hawaii... boy oh boy what matchups.

I remember it well. One of the worst Rose Bowls and one of the worst Sugar Bowls ever.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

And P5 teams can make the playoffs by doing less than that unless their unranked P5 opponents are treated like murderer's row. Beyond that, you can't have rules that reinforce the two class system.

Which P5 team made the playoffs with a worse SOS than an undefeated G5 team?

 

[CJH9972]

Which P5 team made the playoffs with a worse SOS than an undefeated G5 team?

Not what I said......beyond that, there is no established SOS calculation used. Certainly, not one that lets any G5 team know the SOS you need to be considered for the playoffs. My point was that, Clemson for example, made the playoffs with one top 25 win and that required the committee to keep Virginia barely in.

I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't be in but the double standard where a P5 gets in with one such win but G5 teams with three such wins are ranked well outside the top four seems a bit absurd. If, even by the committee, a G5 team gets three ranked wins just from conference play (which is often where P5 teams get all of their ranked wins) but is still ranked 8+ spots behind a P5 team with a worse record and no ranked wins, how does that make any sense?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Not what I said......beyond that, there is no established SOS calculation used. Certainly, not one that lets any G5 team know the SOS you need to be considered for the playoffs. My point was that, Clemson for example, made the playoffs with one top 25 win and that required the committee to keep Virginia barely in.

I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't be in but the double standard where a P5 gets in with one such win but G5 teams with three such wins are ranked well outside the top four seems a bit absurd. If, even by the committee, a G5 team gets three ranked wins just from conference play (which is often where P5 teams get all of their ranked wins) but is still ranked 8+ spots behind a P5 team with a worse record and no ranked wins, how does that make any sense?

They use a variety of them, just as the BCS did. Feel free to find ANY of the ones used that show an undefeated G5 with a tougher schedule left out.

 

[CJH9972]

They use a variety of them, just as the BCS did. Feel free to find ANY of the ones used that show an undefeated G5 with a tougher schedule left out.

No one needs to have a better SOS than another to make the playoffs. And I'm not making any claim that a G5 team meets your suggestion. And once more, there is no singular SOS calculation that G5 teams can attempt to schedule according to its formula and know that an unbeaten season vs a required SOS score gives them a high probability to make the playoffs.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

No one needs to have a better SOS than another to make the playoffs. And I'm not making any claim that a G5 team meets your suggestion. And once more, there is no singular SOS calculation that G5 teams can attempt to schedule according to its formula and know that an unbeaten season vs a required SOS score gives them a high probability to make the playoffs.

They can use a variety of SOS calculations to come to that determination...just as the committee uses a variety of SOS calculations to determine schedule strength.

 

[7Samurai13]

I want rules for all FBS teams. And simply saying schedule good out of conference still does nothing to spell out what is good enough.

Even your “rules” doesn’t guarantee anyone a chance at the playoffs and would probably be even worse than what we have now.

 

[CJH9972]

They can use a variety of SOS calculations to come to that determination...just as the committee uses a variety of SOS calculations to determine schedule strength.

Even if they could, they have no guarantee that any committee will honor their SOS score. What is their SOS score according to the all of the methods used? Just for example, how difficult is it to say this record+SOS+game control > this record+SOS+game control based on however all of those things are calculated?

 

[GoldRusher]

Would have rather seen PSU v Notre Dame and would have also rather have seen Memphis in a G5 playoff game against someone as they played in their 16 team playoff as it should be.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Even if they could, they have no guarantee that any committee will honor their SOS score. What is their SOS score according to the all of the methods used? Just for example, how difficult is it to say this record+SOS+game control > this record+SOS+game control based on however all of those things are calculated?

Pretty simple actually. Any computer, properly programmed, could handle it.

 

[CJH9972]

Even your “rules” doesn’t guarantee anyone a chance at the playoffs and would probably be even worse than what we have now.

I don't know what you mean by doesn't guarantee anyone a chance. Even with rules, teams still have to post the necessary results to finish in the top four. That said, worse how?

 

[CJH9972]

Pretty simple actually. Any computer, properly programmed, could handle it.

Exactly..........so why don't we have rules that combine and calculate all of the desired criteria that gives each team a value for their season and the top four values make the playoffs?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Exactly..........so why don't we have rules that combine and calculate all of the desired criteria that gives each team a value for their season and the top four values make the playoffs?

Each team (at least the top 25) do have a value.

Several projections available to predict the likelihood that teams are selected based on their performance.

 

[CJH9972]

Each team (at least the top 25) do have a value.

Several projections available to predict the likelihood that teams are selected based on their performance.

Anyone can assess the likelihood of who makes the playoffs based on known results. Six years in and the P5 teams with the fewest losses have made it every year. That isn't the same thing as knowing what beats what every single time as is the case in competitions that use rules. For example, when does a 2-loss P5 team have the SOS needed to be picked over a 1-loss P5 team?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Anyone can assess the likelihood of who makes the playoffs based on known results. Six years in and the P5 teams with the fewest losses have made it every year. That isn't the same thing as knowing what beats what every single time as is the case in competitions that use rules. For example, when does a 2-loss P5 team have the SOS needed to be picked over a 1-loss P5 team?

If the 1-loss team is not a conference champ and the 2-loss team is and there is a sizable gap between the 2 SOS.

 

[CJH9972]

If the 1-loss team is not a conference champ and the 2-loss team is and there is a sizable gap between the 2 SOS.

That's just a guess. There is nothing within the "rules" of this format that tells what it takes for this scenario to occur........what is a sizable SOS gap?