The Former Jazzmen Thread

[nuraman00]

Yes, once his mother submitted the paternity test, he belongs to whoever you were texting.

When was the last time you encountered someone asking for a maternity test, on a born person?

I guess that could happen if an estranged woman shows up with the child, and rather than the father get a paternity test to see if the child is his, if he had a suspicion that the child might not be the woman's (maybe she was using a niece or nephew, or maybe she kidnapped it), then that would be one hypothetical situation?

Or, maybe the male is coming back from serving in the military, and he was unaware his wife had been pregnant. And didn't think she was. And he shows up, and sees a surprise newborn. So he asks for a maternity test to see if she had been pregnant. Maybe she gave birth at home, so there's no hospital records of the birth. Nor other doctor appointments.

Or maybe the man doesn't even remember sleeping with the woman, and she doesn't look she ever had been pregnant.

Or maybe it's like "Three Men And A Baby", where the baby just appears on the doorstep. Then if the father wants to know whose it could have been, he asks a few woman he had slept with, to get a maternity test, to see if it's theirs.

 

[MHSL82]

So the will didn't have a definite time table, such as "until the dog is no longer alive"?

What else could the girlfriend have claimed, in relation so the dog payment issue?

California is a community property state so they don’t actually have to be married as long as they are together for a certain number of years. I don’t think they qualify because they weren’t living together, I don’t think anyone else believes that they were married, he often called her his friend to others, he didn’t leave her in the world as anything other than the person to take care of the dog, and I don’t think that the relationship was that long… but in law, you often do not put to chance of having them prove something because it cost money and time to do so.

The will likely said for the upkeep of the dog, and so therefore that is assumed that it is for as long as the dog is living. I don’t think you could likely win an argument that he intended on payment beyond the life of the dog in order to support the dog.

 

[MHSL82]

Or maybe the man doesn't even remember sleeping with the woman

This would be a moot point, unless someone else was claiming to be the mother. Because if he did not remember having relations with that woman, and the woman is taking care of that baby, they would just test him to make sure that he was the father.

However, if another woman claimed this baby was hers, and that woman is claiming the baby, they would have a maternity test. It is possible to be a mother to one baby that is switched at birth and so therefore you would want to know which one is yours. One might have that test and find out the baby is not theirs and have no idea where the baby that you did deliver is.

 

[MHSL82]

 

[MHSL82]

There was no three point line back in the day so who knows how many points he would have:

 

[MHSL82]

Davis 3 shy of Maravich; Detroit eyes CBI bid

Detroit Mercy guard Antoine Davis said he would welcome an invite to the CBI, which would give him another shot at breaking Pete Maravich's all-time scoring record.

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[nuraman00]

There was no three point line back in the day so who knows how many points he would have:

Why is he in college for 5 years?

 

[MHSL82]

Report: Lakers Hiring Former Jazz Forward As Assistant Coach

The Los Angeles Lakers are hiring former Utah Jazz forward DeMarre Carroll as an assistant coach on Darvin Ham's staff, according to ESPN.

kslsports.com

 

[nuraman00]

Wow, I thought he'd still be playing.

 

[MHSL82]

Ostertag, Russell relive 90’s Jazz glory days

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC4 Sports) – The Utah Jazz are celebrating 90’s night tomorrow against the Denver Nuggets, and two members of the greatest Jazz teams of all time are in town for it. G…

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[nuraman00]

Nice, let's see what the celebration entails.

 

[nuraman00]

Burks has played for seven teams. Didn't realize it was that many.

 

[MHSL82]

 

[nuraman00]

I didn't know Maravich died. That explains why he never comes to Jazz games as an alumni.

Was he in some remote location when he had the heart attack? Did the ambulances arrive slowly? Why couldn't he be saved?

 

[MHSL82]

I didn't know Maravich died. That explains why he never comes to Jazz games as an alumni.

Was he in some remote location when he had the heart attack? Did the ambulances arrive slowly? Why couldn't he be saved?

It was during a pickup game of basketball.

ChatGPT: Pete Maravich, the basketball legend, passed away unexpectedly on January 5, 1988, at the age of 40. He collapsed while playing a casual pickup basketball game at a church gym in Pasadena, California. The cause of death was heart failure due to a previously undetected congenital heart defect—he had been born without a left coronary artery. Normally, this would have been fatal much earlier in life, but Maravich’s right coronary artery had compensated for the defect, allowing him to live into adulthood.

What made Maravich’s death particularly shocking was that he had embraced a much healthier lifestyle after retiring from professional basketball. He had given up alcohol, started eating a clean diet, and became deeply involved in Christianity. Despite these efforts, his underlying heart condition remained hidden and led to his sudden passing.

More: Pete Maravich’s death was especially tragic given his relatively young age and the circumstances surrounding it. On the day of his death, he was playing in a pickup game with friends and former NBA players, including James Dobson, founder of the Christian organization Focus on the Family. Maravich had just completed a full-court layup and reportedly told Dobson, “I feel great,” before suddenly collapsing.

An autopsy revealed the rare heart defect—a missing left coronary artery—that likely contributed to his death. This condition is often fatal much earlier in life, but Maravich’s heart had compensated for decades. Despite the intense physical strain he put on his body throughout his career, this defect went unnoticed by doctors, even though he had undergone numerous medical exams as a professional athlete.

At the time of his death, Maravich had been on a spiritual journey, having retired from the NBA in 1980 due to injuries. He struggled with his post-basketball identity for a while, battling depression, alcoholism, and a search for deeper meaning. However, he found peace in his Christian faith, which became central to his life in his final years. He devoted much of his time to sharing his faith with others, speaking at churches, and connecting with youth through basketball clinics.

His death also drew attention to the importance of heart health, particularly the risks athletes face with undiagnosed conditions. Maravich’s passing led to more awareness around cardiac screenings for athletes, as his condition could have potentially been treated or managed had it been discovered earlier.

Maravich’s death was a profound loss for the basketball community, as he was widely regarded as one of the most talented and creative players of his era, known for his exceptional ball-handling and scoring ability.

More: Pete Maravich’s death highlighted the fragility of life, even for someone who seemed invincible on the basketball court. Known for his endurance and skill, Maravich had been an iconic figure in the NBA, dazzling fans with his flashy style and immense talent. Yet, his heart condition went undetected through years of high-level play. What makes his death more poignant is the fact that his athleticism might have masked the very condition that led to his untimely demise.

In the years after his death, there was significant reflection on how athletes were being evaluated medically. Despite undergoing numerous physicals throughout his career, no one had identified the congenital defect that ultimately claimed his life. His case brought attention to the limitations of medical evaluations at the time, prompting calls for more comprehensive cardiovascular screening methods for professional and amateur athletes alike.

Maravich had been enjoying semi-retirement in a different way than many other former stars, as he distanced himself from the fame and glamor often associated with post-NBA careers. Instead of pursuing broadcasting or coaching opportunities, he spent his time working with young athletes, sharing his faith, and advocating for personal growth beyond sports. In that sense, his legacy after his playing career became one of mentorship and spiritual leadership, making his sudden death feel all the more abrupt and heartbreaking for those close to him.

The pickup game he played before his death had been part of his daily routine to stay in shape, but it was also a continuation of his passion for the sport that had defined his life. Maravich’s death was not just a personal tragedy but a reminder of the unpredictability of life, even for someone who had lived such a public and athletic existence. His influence on both basketball and the lives of those who followed him spiritually continued to resonate long after his passing.

More: Pete Maravich’s sudden death had a profound impact on both the basketball world and those who followed his personal transformation after retiring from the NBA. Known as “Pistol Pete” for his flashy, high-scoring style, Maravich had set numerous records during his career, including being the NCAA’s all-time leading scorer with an average of 44.2 points per game—a record that still stands. His creativity and flair on the court were unmatched, but his legacy became about much more than his basketball prowess after he retired.

In the years leading up to his death, Maravich had shifted his focus from sports to faith, spending considerable time speaking about the spiritual awakening that had given him new purpose. After his career ended due to knee injuries, Maravich initially struggled with depression and the loss of his identity as an athlete. He was candid about how difficult that transition was, speaking publicly about his battle with alcoholism and disillusionment. Eventually, he found solace in Christianity, and it became a cornerstone of his life, guiding his actions and shaping his post-basketball journey.

The impact of Maravich’s passing reached beyond his personal circle. Fans and fellow athletes were stunned not only by his death but also by the fact that someone who had lived such an active and physically demanding life could have a heart condition that remained undetected. His death underscored the importance of mental and spiritual health alongside physical well-being, as his final years were marked by a focus on inner peace rather than athletic achievement.

Moreover, Maravich’s death helped solidify his legacy as more than just a basketball legend. His story became one of human resilience, spiritual growth, and the search for purpose after fame. He was often described as someone who had found contentment in faith, making his sudden passing a reminder of the unpredictability of life and the fragility of even the most seemingly robust individuals.

In the years that followed, tributes poured in not only from the basketball community but also from those who admired his personal journey. His life was later commemorated in books, documentaries, and speeches, focusing on both his basketball career and his spiritual transformation. His legacy as one of the greatest players to ever grace the court was cemented, but so was his status as someone who sought meaning beyond the game, leaving an indelible mark on those who followed his journey of redemption.

More: Pete Maravich’s death resonated deeply not just because of his basketball talent, but because of the timing—it came at a point when his life had taken a meaningful turn toward personal fulfillment and inner peace. His transition from a sports icon to a man of faith was a journey that many found inspiring, particularly given how he openly discussed the emptiness he felt after retiring from the game. For a player who had once been synonymous with basketball innovation and flair, his shift to a quieter, more introspective life was significant.

Beyond the personal and spiritual aspects of Maravich’s life, his death also highlighted the unpredictability of congenital heart defects. Despite the rigorous physical demands he placed on his body, his heart condition had remained undetected. This led to discussions in the sports world about the need for more thorough cardiovascular evaluations, even for athletes who appeared to be in peak physical condition. His case became a cautionary tale for athletes and medical professionals, emphasizing the importance of advanced screening techniques, which have since become more common.

Maravich’s impact on basketball itself continued to grow posthumously. Many modern NBA players and coaches have cited him as an inspiration, praising his innovative approach to the game. His unique style of play, characterized by behind-the-back passes, deep shots, and unorthodox dribbling, was ahead of its time. Though his career was cut short due to injuries, his influence on the way basketball is played remains profound. In many ways, he helped popularize the fast-paced, creative play that would later become standard in professional basketball.

After his death, the NBA and college basketball communities honored his memory through various tributes, including jersey retirements and commemorations. His alma mater, LSU, named its basketball practice facility after him, and he was posthumously inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in 1987, just months before his passing. Maravich’s number 7 jersey was retired by the Utah Jazz, and his influence as a trailblazer in basketball’s modern style of play is still recognized by fans and players alike.

Moreover, his family and friends carried on his legacy by establishing foundations and organizing events to promote heart health awareness, particularly focusing on preventing sudden cardiac deaths in athletes. His story, one of athletic brilliance intertwined with personal struggle and eventual spiritual fulfillment, has left a lasting legacy on and off the court, serving as both a cautionary tale and a source of inspiration for those who admire his journey.

 

[MHSL82]

More: Pete Maravich’s legacy extends well beyond his untimely death and his personal transformation. After his retirement, he also became an advocate for living a more balanced, purpose-driven life—one that focused less on fame and material success. As he often shared in his post-basketball speeches, despite the accolades, records, and wealth he accumulated during his playing career, Maravich felt unfulfilled. His openness about the emotional challenges of transitioning away from professional sports was rare at the time and set an example for athletes grappling with their own post-career identities.

One of the more intriguing aspects of Maravich’s life was his prophetic nature regarding his early death. In interviews, he had expressed concern about not living to the age of 40, citing a premonition he had throughout his life. This statement became eerily significant when he died at that exact age. This deepened the mystique surrounding him, with many fans and close acquaintances reflecting on the sense of destiny or fate that seemed to accompany his life’s trajectory.

Maravich’s contributions to basketball weren’t just physical. His mental approach to the game was revolutionary, as he constantly pushed the boundaries of what was possible on the court. His creativity wasn’t just about showmanship; it was about advancing the strategic elements of basketball. By showcasing unconventional moves and passes, Maravich expanded the possibilities for what players could do with the ball, setting the stage for future generations of stars who would integrate flair into a more team-oriented approach.

In the years following his death, numerous awards and honors were posthumously bestowed upon him, cementing his place in basketball history. Beyond his Hall of Fame induction and jersey retirements, the NBA celebrated his influence by keeping his name alive in discussions of the sport’s greatest innovators. His scoring records and style continue to be a benchmark for comparison, particularly for college players aiming to achieve Maravich’s levels of individual excellence.

Another enduring part of Maravich’s legacy is his family’s involvement in preserving his memory. His wife and children have actively participated in charitable efforts, particularly around youth basketball and heart health, ensuring that Maravich’s influence extends far beyond his playing days. Their work has helped bring attention to the importance of cardiovascular health for athletes and non-athletes alike, emphasizing preventative care to avoid tragedies similar to the one that took Maravich’s life.

Maravich’s story, from his rise as one of the most exciting players in basketball history to his spiritual awakening and tragic end, continues to inspire documentaries, books, and retrospectives. He remains an example of how greatness in sports can be coupled with profound human vulnerability and personal growth, and how a person’s legacy can evolve long after their time on earth has ended.

More: Pete Maravich’s influence also extended into the culture of basketball itself. His style of play—marked by an uncanny ability to handle the ball, court vision, and a flair for dramatic, no-look passes—set him apart from his peers. He embodied a “streetball” style long before it became a mainstream part of the game. Maravich wasn’t just about accumulating points; he was a showman, captivating fans with moves that felt improvisational yet effective. This blend of artistry and skill became a blueprint for many future players, particularly point guards, who adopted his freewheeling, imaginative approach to basketball.

Despite his personal struggles, Maravich’s work ethic was legendary. He was known to practice for hours on end, perfecting not only his shooting but also his dribbling and passing under extreme conditions, often challenging himself with drills that pushed the boundaries of what was considered normal training at the time. His dedication to refining his craft influenced how players approached their own skill development in later years, pushing them to add creativity to their fundamentals. In this sense, Maravich wasn’t just a player but a basketball pioneer, expanding the game’s limits.

Off the court, Maravich’s personal life and public persona underwent a significant transformation, especially after his retirement. He had been a notoriously private individual during his playing days, rarely opening up about his personal challenges. However, in the years after basketball, Maravich became increasingly candid about the void he felt, even at the height of his fame. His spiritual journey and newfound faith in Christianity became an essential part of his narrative. He began speaking publicly about how material success in basketball left him feeling empty and how he found meaning beyond the court through religion.

This transformation helped Maravich connect with a different audience. While he had always been a hero to basketball fans, he became a figure of inspiration for those grappling with their own personal and existential struggles. Maravich’s willingness to share his vulnerabilities—his struggles with depression, alcoholism, and loss of identity after his career ended—made him more relatable and human. His talks, often delivered at churches or religious gatherings, focused on finding purpose and peace in life’s transitions, making him a beacon for people outside the sports world.

Additionally, his sudden death gave his post-retirement words and actions more weight, casting them in a new light as part of a larger, almost fated story. Many of his friends and fans viewed his shift toward faith and introspection as a preparation of sorts for his early passing. The intensity with which he pursued his newfound life off the court was seen as his way of making the most of the time he had, a lesson that resonated with those who followed his journey.

Maravich’s untimely passing left a void in the basketball community, but it also created a space for others to reflect on the pressures athletes face during and after their careers. His honesty about the mental and emotional struggles of being in the public eye helped pave the way for later discussions about athlete mental health, long before such conversations were common. In this way, Maravich’s legacy also includes his contribution to the broader dialogue around the challenges athletes face in retirement.

Finally, Pete Maravich’s connection with his fans—especially young ones—remained strong even after his death. Youth basketball players admired him for his creativity and skill, but they also connected with his humanity. His influence is still evident in how younger generations approach the game, blending athleticism with artistry, and embracing a style of play that challenges conventional limits. Maravich left an imprint not only on how basketball is played but also on how athletes are seen as multidimensional people, capable of growth, struggle, and redemption.

More: Pete Maravich’s basketball genius was not just about individual talent but also about his role in elevating the game’s entertainment value. His ability to mesmerize fans with behind-the-back passes, half-court shots, and acrobatic plays was groundbreaking. In an era when basketball was more rigid and structured, Maravich introduced a form of play that fused athleticism with creativity, sparking an evolution in how the game was viewed and played. His flair for the dramatic not only made him a fan favorite but also helped popularize the NBA and college basketball during the 1970s when the sport was still growing in national prominence.

Maravich’s performances were often regarded as a form of art. He wasn’t just a player who stuck to fundamentals—he pushed boundaries and experimented with new moves, redefining what a guard could do on the court. This was particularly remarkable because he often carried the weight of entire teams on his shoulders. At LSU, he played under his father, Press Maravich, and became the centerpiece of an offense built around his extraordinary scoring ability. His collegiate career was astonishing not only for his 44.2 points-per-game average but for the way he elevated the entire program, making LSU basketball relevant on a national stage. His name became synonymous with offensive prowess, and his records remain untouchable despite the advent of the three-point line, which Maravich never had the benefit of using.

Beyond his on-court achievements, Maravich’s relationship with his father played a significant role in his life. Press Maravich was a demanding coach, and Pete’s basketball education began at an early age. Their relationship was complex, balancing the roles of father and coach, but it undeniably shaped Pete’s career and his relentless pursuit of perfection. Pete often spoke about the pressures he felt growing up with such high expectations, but he also credited his father for instilling in him the drive that made him one of basketball’s greatest players. This relationship is often discussed in analyses of Maravich’s career, emphasizing how it shaped his work ethic and his pursuit of excellence.

Even though his NBA career was marred by injuries, particularly knee problems that eventually forced him into early retirement, Maravich still left a lasting mark. His time with teams like the Atlanta Hawks, New Orleans Jazz, and Boston Celtics was filled with highlight-reel moments that cemented his legacy. His vision on the court and his scoring ability made him a five-time NBA All-Star, and he led the league in scoring during the 1976-77 season. His playing style influenced future generations of guards, from Magic Johnson to Steve Nash, with his combination of skill, finesse, and showmanship continuing to serve as a model for point guards in today’s game.

After retirement, Maravich’s commitment to family life became one of his priorities. He stepped away from the spotlight to spend more time with his wife and children, focusing on being present in ways he couldn’t during his demanding basketball career. This period of his life marked a shift from the public persona of “Pistol Pete” to a quieter, more introspective figure who valued personal relationships over fame. He became a symbol of how professional athletes could reinvent themselves after leaving their sport, finding fulfillment outside of the arena.

The spiritual component of Maravich’s post-basketball life also played a significant role in shaping his later years. Having battled the highs and lows of stardom, his embrace of Christianity was not merely a personal journey but something he actively shared with others. His testimony became part of his legacy, as he traveled around the country speaking to young athletes and church groups, emphasizing the importance of finding inner peace and purpose beyond worldly success. For many, Maravich’s transformation was just as inspiring as his basketball career, illustrating how someone who had achieved so much could still seek deeper meaning and fulfillment.

Maravich’s unique combination of immense talent, a complex personal journey, and his untimely death left an indelible mark on sports history. He continues to be remembered not only for his record-breaking achievements but also for the humanity he displayed off the court. His story serves as a reminder that even those who appear larger than life, who accomplish extraordinary things, can face inner battles and strive for personal redemption.

 

[MHSL82]

More: Pete Maravich’s rise to stardom was marked by an intense dedication to the game from an early age. He was a basketball prodigy, often practicing obsessively for hours each day under the guidance of his father, Press Maravich. His early development as a player was fueled by his father’s coaching philosophies, which centered on ball handling, shooting, and creativity on the court. This foundation gave Pete the confidence and skill to stand out as an unconventional player, defying the more traditional and rigid style of basketball at the time.

Throughout his career, Maravich’s identity was shaped by the dual roles he carried—as both a record-breaking scorer and a player driven to entertain. His approach was often described as “ahead of his time” because of the way he utilized his vision and handles to set up plays that no one had seen before. His signature moves, like spinning dribbles, behind-the-back passes, and deep-range shooting, made him a trendsetter in a league that was still developing its modern identity. Maravich’s ability to bring artistry to the game changed not just how players approached basketball but also how it was marketed to fans.

Maravich’s relationship with fame was complex. Early in his career, he embraced the attention, but it also took a toll on him mentally and emotionally. Being constantly in the spotlight, especially as one of the highest-paid athletes of his era, created immense pressure. The expectations were not just to perform but to revolutionize the game, a burden that Maravich often found overwhelming. His persona as “Pistol Pete”—a high-scoring, flashy player—sometimes obscured the more introspective, thoughtful man behind the moniker.

His injuries, particularly the knee problems that eventually ended his career, were a harsh reminder of the physical demands of professional basketball. Maravich had a relatively short NBA career for someone of his stature, retiring at the age of 32. This abrupt end forced him to confront what life looked like beyond basketball, something many athletes find challenging. Unlike some players who seamlessly transition into coaching or media, Maravich’s journey was more personal and spiritual, as he distanced himself from the basketball world in search of deeper meaning.

In his later years, Maravich developed a strong interest in health and wellness, exploring various alternative therapies and diets. He was known to experiment with holistic approaches to fitness and nutrition, reflecting his desire to take control of his body after a career filled with physical strain. This phase of his life was part of his broader attempt to balance the intense, competitive spirit he had on the court with a more mindful, healthy lifestyle off the court. His curiosity about wellness practices also mirrored his broader quest for spiritual and emotional balance.

Maravich’s unexpected death became even more tragic because it occurred during a casual, routine pickup game—a setting far removed from the high-stakes NBA arenas where he had once thrived. It symbolized the unpredictable nature of life, especially for someone who had been focused on staying healthy. Many viewed his passing as an ironic twist, given his efforts to turn his life around physically, mentally, and spiritually in the years after retiring.

Despite his early death, Maravich’s influence has continued to grow. His legacy is not only preserved through the many tributes and records in the basketball community but also through his impact on how athletes handle their careers and lives beyond sports. His story is often cited as an example of the need for better preparation and support for athletes facing retirement, particularly in terms of mental health and identity.

Maravich’s widow, Jackie, and his children have been instrumental in ensuring his legacy is remembered not just for his basketball feats but for the lessons learned from his life off the court. Their involvement in charitable causes and public events surrounding his legacy reflects how his influence transcends sports. Maravich’s journey—marked by both immense triumph and personal struggle—remains a testament to the complexity of athletic fame and the human desire for deeper fulfillment beyond success.

 

[MHSL82]

Veteran Rudy Gay retires after 17 NBA seasons

Rudy Gay, who averaged 15.8 points and 5.6 rebounds over 17 NBA seasons since being the No. 8 pick in the 2006 draft, announced his retirement Tuesday.

www.espn.com

 

[nuraman00]

His lack of rebounding bothered me. Other than that, he was a decent player.

Seemingly did the best he could.

 

[MHSL82]

Ex-Jazz, Hawks 4-time All-Star Paul Millsap makes retirement decision

Former Hawks and Jazz NBA All-Star Paul Millsap is reportedly retiring from the NBA following a strong career.

clutchpoints.com