The case for firing RR and staff

[DJ]

Nothing happens until there is new ownership , then the options open up

Great point.

 

[j_y19]

Its risky as well if Snyder is still around because there isn't a first time coach he hasn't rode roughshod over. Even handpicked Spurrier felt the Danny's wrath. Then again Snyder's rode roughshod over experienced HCs as well which is reason #26352816 why he needs to be gone for good.

If he is not, then I am.

 

[Sportster 72]

Its risky as well if Snyder is still around because there isn't a first time coach he hasn't rode roughshod over. Even handpicked Spurrier felt the Danny's wrath. Then again Snyder's rode roughshod over experienced HCs as well which is reason #26352816 why he needs to be gone for good.

Who hasn't felt Dan's wrath? Lavar, Marty, Shanahan's, Cousin's, Cerrato, Allen, William's .... add some more.

 

[Breed]

Who hasn't felt Dan's wrath? Lavar, Marty, Shanahan's, Cousin's, Cerrato, Allen, William's .... add some more.

True. I think the only one who never did was Joe Gibbs.

 

[Breed]

The Skins W/L record against winning teams in the RR regime.

Winning team is defined as such. When the Skins faced said team, that team had a W/L record of .500 or better.

In 2020 the Skins lost to the 1-0 Cardinals, the 1-1 Browns, the 2-1 Ravens and the 3-1 Rams. They did beat the 11-0 Steelers So in 2020 the Skins were 1-4 against teams that had a .500 or better records when they played Washington in the regular season . They then went 0-1 in the postseason against the 11-5 Bucs for an overall 1-5 W/L record against teams who were .500 or better.

In 2021 the Skins lost to the 2-1 Bills, the 2-2 Saints, and the 5-1 Packers. The Skins then defeated the 6-2 Bucs, the 5-5 Panthers and the 6-5 Raiders. They then lost to the 8-4 Cowboys, the 10-4 Cowboys and the 8-7 Eagles. So in 2021 against teams that were .500 or better the Skins were 3-6.

in 2022 the Skins have lost to the 2-0 Eagles, the 2-1 Cowboys and the 2-2 Titans. They defeated the 3-3 Packers, the 3-3-1 Colts, lost to the 6-1 Vikings, then beat the 8-1 Eagles. Tied the 7-4 Giants, then lost to the 7-5-1 Giants to presently sit at 3-5-1 against teams that were .500 or better with 2 games against teams that will be .500 or better in the 9ers n Cowboys who are both 10-4 at present.

So in his 2+ years as HC. RR is 7-16-1 against teams who've had a .500 or better record when they faced the Skins. That's a .312 winning percentage against these teams with 2 games pending against teams in this category.

If the Skins win those 2 games that'll make them 9-16-1 giving the Skins and RR a .365 winning percentage in such games.

Losing both and going 7-18-1 would mean a .288 winning percentage

And going 1-1 would mean 8-17-1 would mean a .326 winning percentage.

Are any of those finishes worthy of another season or contract for RR in your mind?

 

[deanpet21]

The Skins W/L record against winning teams in the RR regime.

Winning team is defined as such. When the Skins faced said team, that team had a W/L record of .500 or better.

In 2020 the Skins lost to the 1-0 Cardinals, the 1-1 Browns, the 2-1 Ravens and the 3-1 Rams. They did beat the 11-0 Steelers So in 2020 the Skins were 1-4 against teams that had a .500 or better records when they played Washington in the regular season . They then went 0-1 in the postseason against the 11-5 Bucs for an overall 1-5 W/L record against teams who were .500 or better.

In 2021 the Skins lost to the 2-1 Bills, the 2-2 Saints, and the 5-1 Packers. The Skins then defeated the 6-2 Bucs, the 5-5 Panthers and the 6-5 Raiders. They then lost to the 8-4 Cowboys, the 10-4 Cowboys and the 8-7 Eagles. So in 2021 against teams that were .500 or better the Skins were 3-6.

in 2022 the Skins have lost to the 2-0 Eagles, the 2-1 Cowboys and the 2-2 Titans. They defeated the 3-3 Packers, the 3-3-1 Colts, lost to the 6-1 Vikings, then beat the 8-1 Eagles. Tied the 7-4 Giants, then lost to the 7-5-1 Giants to presently sit at 3-5-1 against teams that were .500 or better with 2 games against teams that will be .500 or better in the 9ers n Cowboys who are both 10-4 at present.

So in his 2+ years as HC. RR is 7-16-1 against teams who've had a .500 or better record when they faced the Skins. That's a .312 winning percentage against these teams with 2 games pending against teams in this category.

If the Skins win those 2 games that'll make them 9-16-1 giving the Skins and RR a .365 winning percentage in such games.

Losing both and going 7-18-1 would mean a .288 winning percentage

And going 1-1 would mean 8-17-1 would mean a .326 winning percentage.

Are any of those finishes worthy of another season or contract for RR in your mind?

Good post. The answer is no.

 

[deanpet21]

With new ownership coming in he will probably be fired unless we win our next 3 games and get into the playoffs. Then new ownership might hold back. RR will probably be stripped of his GM duties.

 

[skinsdad62]

it depends when new ownership takes over . anything after feb. means he stays

 

[Debbie Does]

Nothing happens until there is new ownership , then the options open up

Yup. Give the new owner(s) the pleasure of shitcanning everbody.

 

[j_y19]

Seeing as it will probably take a few months to close any sale, RR will be here next year. Dan will not bother to find his replacement if he is selling, and any new owner won’t have time to build a new front office. So, for 2023, we will have the same staff evaluating talent, making pics and trades, and coaching this team.

 

[Breed]

Seeing as it will probably take a few months to close any sale, RR will be here next year. Dan will not bother to find his replacement if he is selling, and any new owner won’t have time to build a new front office. So, for 2023, we will have the same staff evaluating talent, making pics and trades, and coaching this team.

If that's the case can we here at the forum at least agree that Howell needs to see some real game action, preferably sooner than later, to see what the Skins have with him. Or are there still peeps here on the Taylor bandwagon.

 

[kbso83432]

Bezos/Mcvay 2024?

 

[j_y19]

If that's the case can we here at the forum at least agree that Howell needs to see some real game action, preferably sooner than later, to see what the Skins have with him. Or are there still peeps here on the Taylor bandwagon.

I absolutely agree. We need to know what we have in him before the draft. It makes a huge difference if we need to get a QB in the off-season, or is he a guy we can build around. If we can use our top picks to beef up our OL and LB corps and not Qb, we will be in a great position to make a legitimate run.

 

[Breed]

I absolutely agree. We need to know what we have in him before the draft. It makes a huge difference if we need to get a QB in the off-season, or is he a guy we can build around. If we can use our top picks to beef up our OL and LB corps and not Qb, we will be in a great position to make a legitimate run.

That ship has sailed, homey, at least far as this year goes. There isn't enough game time to get an accurate read on what Howell is or isn't this year.

 

[BigKen]

Nothing happens until there is new ownership , then the options open up

Saw a report yesterday that four bids have been received and all are over $7B.

 

[skinsdad62]

Saw a report yesterday that four bids have been received and all are over $7B.

i saw that as well , it will be nice when its done and some of us can be fans again

 

[j_y19]

That ship has sailed, homey, at least far as this year goes. There isn't enough game time to get an accurate read on what Howell is or isn't this year.

I don’t know. If we lose today and the playoffs are a fart in the wind, I’d play him the last two games. We can tell in two games is the situation is too big for him. I’ll say this about TH, the situation never appeared to overwhelm him. Even when he had a bad play, he shrugged it off and often came back with a big play.

If Howell plays, he obviously will make mistakes. It’s how he responds, how he reads defenses, and how he plays when the play breaks down. He has a real good arm and can move. Kinda a cross between TH and CW. Hopefully he has the best attributes from each, not the worst……..

 

[kbso83432]

Report: Sean Payton Eyes Return as NFL HC with Vic Fangio as DC; Latest on Contract
ROB GOLDBERG
DECEMBER 24, 2022

ATLANTA, GA - JANUARY 09: Head coach Sean Payton of the New Orleans Saints prior to the game against the Atlanta Falcons at Mercedes-Benz Stadium on January 9, 2022 in Atlanta, Georgia. (Photo by Todd Kirkland/Getty Images)
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Former New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton is already putting an "all-star staff" together in the event he lands a head coaching job this offseason, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

One potential addition is veteran defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, who most recently spent three seasons as head coach of the Denver Broncos.

Payton will be in high demand this offseason after retiring from the Saints last year, although New Orleans still owns his rights and would need to be compensated with a "draft pick or multiple picks," per Schefter.

An interested team would also need to make the one-time Super Bowl winner "one of the game's highest-paid coaches."


Payton has spent the 2022 season as an analyst for Fox, but he's indicated an interest in returning to the sidelines.

"I think sooner than later," Payton said on Tom Brady's Let's Go! podcast (h/t Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk). "I really enjoy the current job I have. ...But I think relative to coaching, though, I know that I want to coach again and it's not really been a secret. But I wanna find the right spot."

According to ESPN's Dan Graziano, Payton is among the list of names already being considered for the Carolina Panthers opening.

Report: Sean Payton Eyes Return as NFL HC with Vic Fangio as DC; Latest on Contract
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The Indianapolis Colts also already have a vacancy, while several other teams will have openings by the end of the season.

Payton will likely be a top choice for most teams if available after producing a 152-89 regular-season record across 15 years with the Saints. He's known for his offensive production, ranking in the top five in points scored in nine of those seasons.

Adding Fangio to the staff could be even more exciting considering the 64-year-old's resume of 19 seasons as an NFL defensive coordinator with the Panthers, Indianapolis Colts, Houston Texans, San Francisco 49ers and Chicago Bears.

Fangio led a top-10 scoring defense in six of his last eight years as a coordinator, including the No. 1 unit with the Bears in 2018. Though he struggled as a head coach with the Broncos (19-30 overall record), the defense ranked third in the NFL in 2021.

Payton and Fangio could help lead a quick turnaround for whichever team lands the duo.

 

[j_y19]

Now he would be an upgrade over RR. He would also attract top talent in FA, especially at QB.

 

[kbso83432]

Now he would be an upgrade over RR. He would also attract top talent in FA, especially at QB.

Payton and Fangio was always my dream pairing. Fangio runs a 34 though. Definitely an upgrade.