Is Pete Carroll the right man for the job

[Cave_Johnson]

Pete is ideal for a Wal Mart greeter.

I lol'd

 

[Screamin12th]

So A day or two ago Pete said "Oh yeah we are, you'll see soon" when a question came up about bringing in someone or making trade.

I have a strong feeling if things keep going sour in the win department we might see the team trade someone important and it might be DK before week 8. He would net the largest return.

 

[flyerhawk]

So A day or two ago Pete said "Oh yeah we are, you'll see soon" when a question came up about bringing in someone or making trade.

I have a strong feeling if things keep going sour in the win department we might see the team trade someone important and it might be DK before week 8. He would net the largest return.

No chance. Trading Metcalf would cause a $33,000,000 cap hit.

If we do a trade, which I really hope we don't, it will be draft picks for a player. Mostly likely a defensive lineman.

 

[MrS]

no more fucking trades just ride out the season and draft the right players.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

No chance. Trading Metcalf would cause a $33,000,000 cap hit.

If we do a trade, which I really hope we don't, it will be draft picks for a player. Mostly likely a defensive lineman.

Yes. Draft a DL and then run the dumbass 2 man down tackles with 2 standing ones.... (wide 9)... Poona and Quentin are actually commanding a decent amount of double teams... JEEZ I wonder why!?

Seattle did this a number of times in the preseason. I was like, "Where's the 3rd down lineman? Did he forget to check in?" It's fine on a passing down but Seattle's running it often enough - no wonder teams are gashing us on the ground and EDGE rushers can't get to the QB... there's not enough bodies on the line. I get Harris was injured, but they were doing this a lot in preseason as mentioned.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yes. Draft a DL and then run the dumbass 2 man down tackles with 2 standing ones.... (wide 9)... Poona and Quentin are actually commanding a decent amount of double teams... JEEZ I wonder why!?

Seattle did this a number of times in the preseason. I was like, "Where's the 3rd down lineman? Did he forget to check in?" It's fine on a passing down but Seattle's running it often enough - no wonder teams are gashing us on the ground and EDGE rushers can't get to the QB... there's not enough bodies on the line. I get Harris was injured, but they were doing this a lot in preseason as mentioned.

Poon and Jefferson aren't great fits for the defense they want to run. They are 2 technique guys that are looking to penetrate. What a 3-4 needs is linemen that can take up speech at the point of attack.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Poon and Jefferson aren't great fits for the defense they want to run. They are 2 technique guys that are looking to penetrate. What a 3-4 needs is linemen that can take up speech at the point of attack.

They're absorbing double blocks on a consistent basis... I can't remember the last time I saw a wide 9 defense work consistently in the NFL, which is what they're trying to do.... 2 down lineman, and then 2 standup guys... I mean WTF? And I get they don't have a great 3-4 NT... well then MAYBE YOU SHOULD'VE GONE OUT AND GOTTEN ONE IF YOU WANTED TO RUN THAT!

Again, I am not for tanking a season, so if running this stupid ass defense is their plan to throw the season, whatever...

 

[Screamin12th]

No chance. Trading Metcalf would cause a $33,000,000 cap hit.

If we do a trade, which I really hope we don't, it will be draft picks for a player. Mostly likely a defensive lineman.

???
When you trade someone you trade them not release them so there would be no "cap hit" The team that traded for him would assume responsibility for said contract.

I don't want the Hawks to do it mind you i just think if it keeps going sour and Pete ( who looks and acts defeated ) and John make a move then don't be shocked if it's DK.

 

[flyerhawk]

???
When you trade someone you trade them not release them so there would be no "cap hit" The team that traded for him would assume responsibility for said contract.

I don't want the Hawks to do it mind you i just think if it keeps going sour and Pete ( who looks and acts defeated ) and John make a move then don't be shocked if it's DK.

You absorb all of the signing bonus when you trade a player rather than amortizing over the life of the contract.



We would eat $33,500,000 in rolled up bonus money.

 

[MrS]

knowing how they do things, trading would mean giving up valuable draft picks for overhyped players. which would be disastrous.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

You absorb all of the signing bonus when you trade a player rather than amortizing over the life of the contract.

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We would eat $33,500,000 in rolled up bonus money.

Correct.

@Screamin12th A signing bonus is spread over the life of the contract, one of the benefits. However, if you trade or release a player, ALL of the current and remaining signing bonus (ALL OF IT) gets accelerated into the current year. Now teams trading for the player can agree to absorb that hit, but you're 100% going to give up draft capital/position in that absorption.

DK is here to stay. Seattle would LOSE cap unless some team made the dumbest trade of all time (looking like the Broncos might be breaching top 25 on that list) by trading him. And that for a 2nd round pick and losing the talent of Metcalf? No............

 

[flyerhawk]

Correct.

@Screamin12th A signing bonus is spread over the life of the contract, one of the benefits. However, if you trade or release a player, ALL of the current and remaining signing bonus (ALL OF IT) gets accelerated into the current year. Now teams trading for the player can agree to absorb that hit, but you're 100% going to give up draft capital/position in that absorption.

DK is here to stay. Seattle would LOSE cap unless some team made the dumbest trade of all time (looking like the Broncos might be breaching top 25 on that list) by trading him. And that for a 2nd round pick and losing the talent of Metcalf? No............

I don't think teams can transfer the SB cap hit

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I don't think teams can transfer the SB cap hit

You know what, I think you're right. If it's a post June 1st trade/release I believe the dead cap related to SB does get some spread (as opposed to accelerated) but that has obvious disadvantages. I do remember reading something about that.

I think that's where the SB cap hit comes into play... if you do a later release/trade (again post 6/1) you can allocate that dead cap, but I'm pretty sure you're spot on by saying you cannot trade bonuses away - I believe NFL explicitly states the team that gave bonuses is responsible for paying them, whereas regular cap hit can be dealt.

Please go spend a few hours researching this with documentation flyer... and then get back to us. I'll expect a full report by Saturday...... EHHHHHHHH just joking man! Sunday by noon PST.

 

[Screamin12th]

See i read when they started to spread signing bonuses out over the course of the contract it was added INTO the contract. This then was the reason you would see guaranteed signing bonus over the contract length. This is then transferred to the team acquiring the player and they "some times" would ask for cash to offset the costs. I am pretty sure it's all in the contracts now because i have never seen a team have to pay the whole signing bonus in the past 5+ years as we didn't for Wilson and he had a shit ton left.

 

[blstoker]

So A day or two ago Pete said "Oh yeah we are, you'll see soon" when a question came up about bringing in someone or making trade.

I have a strong feeling if things keep going sour in the win department we might see the team trade someone important and it might be DK before week 8. He would net the largest return.

It would be monumentally stupid if they trade DK.
First, it would eat up to $33.5 million extra against the cap - require the reworking or release of what would appear to be half the team during the season to stay under the cap. To clear the $30 million + they'd have to clear - these players likely get cut and replaced with league minimum players:

Name (Net savings *cap savings - $660,000 for league minimum replacement)

Poona Ford​	4585000​
Jason Myers​	3340000​
Austin Blythe​	840000​
Sidney Jones​	1600000​
Geno Smith​	2290000​
Nick Bellore​	1490000​
Phil Haynes​	1880000​
Noah Fant​	1551917​
Artie Burns​	375000​
Drew Lock​	691021​
Damien Lewis​	114351​
Cody Barton​	305000​
Kyle Fuller​	375000​
Colby Parkinson​	67390​
Marquise Goodwin​	235000​
DeeJay Dallas​	111400​
Darryl Johnson​	305000​
Josh Jones​	235000​
Jalen Tabor​	251387​
Justin Coleman​	235000​
Ryan Neal​	235000​
Penny Hart​	235000​
Stone Forsythe​	81688​
Carson Tinker​	185274​
Tanner Muse​	185274​
Jake Curhan​	155500​
Isaiah Dunn​	165000​
Michael Jackson​	165000​
Myles Adams​	45000​
Joey Blount​	36333​
LJ Collier​	326322​
Tyler Ott​	375000​
Travis Homer​	305000​
Alton Robinson​	147163​
John Reid​	235000​
Ben Burr-Kirven​	235000​
Joe Rhattigan​	165000​

37 players that would need to be cut - and it would save $24 million overall, including injured players who'd have to be bought out and I didn't even do the math on any of that likelihood. I just don't think it's possible to absorb that mid season.

Second, the team would have to absorb the public outcry that they spent over $30 million on 8 games for a player they already had under contract for a little over $1 million.

 

[blstoker]

See i read when they started to spread signing bonuses out over the course of the contract it was added INTO the contract. This then was the reason you would see guaranteed signing bonus over the contract length. This is then transferred to the team acquiring the player and they "some times" would ask for cash to offset the costs. I am pretty sure it's all in the contracts now because i have never seen a team have to pay the whole signing bonus in the past 5+ years as we didn't for Wilson and he had a shit ton left.

No, we had to take all $26 million of Wilson's remaining signing bonus as dead money when we traded him. Which was the second highest dead money I can remember, behind Wentz's $33 million.

 

[Podunkparte]

We're not trading DK.

We should all know Pete by now, and just by reading the posted quote you can infer he means bringing someone in, not sending someone away. No one emphatically states they're about to trade away one of their stud players, especially Pete. Even to the bitter end he never had that tone leading up to the Wilson trade, and that was miles beyond the scale of what a Metcalf trade would be.

I hope they stand pat and don't try to "save the season" by bringing in some impact name, but I'm confident that they have no plans to trade DK. That would be monumentally stupid.

 

[blstoker]

Let's breakdown Russell's contract in Seattle

No, we had to take all $26 million of Wilson's remaining signing bonus as dead money when we traded him. Which was the second highest dead money I can remember, behind Wentz's $33 million.

YEAR​	BASE SALARY​	SIGNING BONUS​	ROSTER BONUS​	WORKOUT BONUS​	RESTRUC. BONUS​	CAP HIT​	DEAD​
2019​	5000000​	19200000​	​	​	2086668​	26286668​	78286668​
2020​	18000000​	13000000​	​	​	​	31000000​	70000000​
2021​	19000000​	13000000​	​	​	​	32000000​	58000000​
2022​	19000000​	13000000​	5000000​	​	​	37000000​	26000000​
2023​	22000000​	13000000​	5000000​	​	​	40000000​	13000000​

70M guaranteed​

Full No Trade Clause​

$35M signing bonus deferred to 2020​

$18M 2020 salary fully guarantees 2/7/2020​

$19M 2021 salary fully guarantees 2/12/2021​

2022 Roster Bonus 3/20/2022​

2023 Roster Bonus​

$6 million escalators possible in 2023​

As we can see, Russell got $70M guaranteed ($65m SB + $5 2019 BS). The signing bonus was spread over 5 years @ $13M per year, starting in 2019 - with $6.2M SB from previous contract also in 2019 (total cap hit of $19.2M SB in 2019).

Russell was trade 3/16/22 - causing Seattle to eat the remaining 2 years SB as dead money. If they had waited until after 3/20/22 to trade Russell, they would have also been on the hook for his $5 million roster bonus - which probably explains a lot of the timing of the trade. Also, when Denver renegotiated the contract, they had to honor that $5M roster bonus in the new details for 2022.

In short, this is to show that Seattle did in fact eat the entire remaining SB as dead money when he was traded.

 

[Screamin12th]

Ok I got a rumor from the same person that told me it was going to take OVER 17 mill per to sign Jamal Adams. I was waiting to pick up my wife from work and I saw them walk out of the building so I started talking to them. They said Wilson only has partial feeling in his finger tip now. WOW!

For those that know where my wife works you will understand this. Seems they were moving on for a reason and when the getting was still good.

No Idea if it's permanent loss of feeling but seeing as thats the last finger to come off the ball it will make your throws less accurate. Wilson is at 61.1% which is low for him. He has had only 1 season Below 63% before this season and that was 2017, 61.3%.

 

[Screamin12th]

The more I watch Wilson play the more I am thinking this rumor ( Post above ) is true. He has the worst accuracy in the NFL when watching him play, It's BAD!

Partial feeling as in he has no feeling from the 2nd knuckle and up to the tip of his finger. I should have worded that better in the post up above. Wilson is at 52% tonight ( Before OT )