T-Rode's Unpopular Opinion - Session 1: BCS vs. CFP

[TheRobotDevil]

People were bitching about computers being part of the system with the old BCS, and now those same people are bitching about the CFP rankings because they don't line up with where they are in the computers. It's comical really.

The BCS system isn't far off from the committee system

BCS Formula

 

[ericd7633]

The BCS system isn't far off from the committee system

BCS Formula

No shit dumbass. I said that in my first post in this thread.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

No shit dumbass. I said that in my first post in this thread.

They're literally too close to the same thing......This was proven in th comparisons between the committee era and BCS formula.....Neither the BCS or Committee system work.If you want actual progress and "less bitching" reduce the human influence,stop relying so heavily on the AP,Coaches,committee,computers that recognize numbers but cant actually differentiate actual SOS. Not the flawed SOS so many rely. Reduce human influence and play the game on the field.

6 team playoff with 5 autobids CC and 1 WC but there are some rules.

1.Every P5 team plays 10 P5 games and 2 patsy G5/FCS games. The committee can only use P5 games to evaluate a team.

2. If you have more than 2 losses and win your conference you lose your autobid. That spot becomes an extra WC spot.This is a far stronger version to determine the championship. Cuts out all the question marks and 800 page debates on who people "think" are the best teams

2017
Clemson 12-1 CC, 12-1 UGA CC,12–1 Oklahoma CC,, 11-2 Ohio State CC , 11-2 USC,
Are in on Auto bid and12-1 Alabama most likely gets the At Large spot

2016
12- 1 Clemson CC, 12-1 Oklahoma CC,11-2 Penn State CC,11-1 Washington CC, 13-0 Alabama CC,
Are all in on Auto bid 11-1 Ohio State moct likely gets the At Large Bid

2015
13-0 Clemson CC,,12-1 Oklahoma CC,12-1 Michigan State CC,11-2 Stanford CC,12-1 Alabama CC

Are allí in on Auto Bids 11-1 Ohio State or !!-1 Iowa most likely get the At Large Bid

2014
13-0 FSU CC, 12-1 Ohio State CC, 12-1 Oregon CC,12-1 Alabama CC
Are all in on Auto Bod 11 - 1 TCU and !1 - 1 Baylor are most likely in as the At Large Bids

ou could expand to 8 and include G5's. UCF did beat Auburn and had a legitimate claim to the best team in he country last year. Based on results and common opponents as well . Under the current system I cant say they have had a true champion or the best teams. With all the human influence and debate

he only thing anyone could legitimately "bitch" about here is an actual true champion, not debating who they "think" is the best 4 and a much higher completion level with an increase in meaningful games......

 

[ericd7633]

They're literally too close to the same thing......This was proven in th comparisons between the committee era and BCS formula.....If you want actual progress and "less bitching" reduce the human influence,stop relying so heavily on the AP,Coaches,committee,computers that recognize numbers but cant actually differentiate actual SOS. Not the flawed SOS so many rely. Reduce human influence and play the game on the field.

6 team playoff with 5 autobids CC and 1 WC but there are some rules.

1.Every P5 team plays 10 P5 games and 2 patsy G5/FCS games. The committee can only use P5 games to evaluate a team.

2. If you have more than 2 losses and win your conference you lose your autobid. That spot becomes an extra WC spot.This is a far stronger version to determine the championship. Cuts out all the question marks and 800 page debates on who people "think" are the best teams

2017
Clemson 12-1 CC, 12-1 UGA CC,12–1 Oklahoma CC,, 11-2 Ohio State CC , 11-2 USC,
Are in on Auto bid and12-1 Alabama most likely gets the At Large spot

2016
12- 1 Clemson CC, 12-1 Oklahoma CC,11-2 Penn State CC,11-1 Washington CC, 13-0 Alabama CC,
Are all in on Auto bid 11-1 Ohio State moct likely gets the At Large Bid

2015
13-0 Clemson CC,,12-1 Oklahoma CC,12-1 Michigan State CC,11-2 Stanford CC,12-1 Alabama CC

Are allí in on Auto Bids 11-1 Ohio State or !!-1 Iowa most likely get the At Large Bid

2014
13-0 FSU CC, 12-1 Ohio State CC, 12-1 Oregon CC,12-1 Alabama CC
Are all in on Auto Bod 11 - 1 TCU and !1 - 1 Baylor are most likely in as the At Large Bids

ou could expand to 8 and include G5's. UCF did beat Auburn and had a legitimate claim to the best team in he country last year. Based on results and common opponents as well . Under the current system I cant say they have had a true champion or the best teams. With all the human influence and debate

he only thing anyone could legitimately "bitch" about here is an actual true champion, not debating who they "think" is the best 4 and a much higher completion level with an increase in meaningful games......

Not reading/don't care. And you're missing my point.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Not reading/don't care. And you're missing my point.

Not surprised

You cant refute it and you already confirmed the system I provided. Is an upgrade from the flawed BCS and Committee systems through your BCS/Comittee comparison


No one has been able to find any factual information to refute the upgraded system. Your post is just further confirmation its the best system to crown a true champion......

 

[ericd7633]

Not surprised

You cant refute it and you already confirmed the system I provided. Is an upgrade from the flawed BCS and Committee systems through your BCS/Comittee comparison


No one has been able to find any factual information to refute the upgraded system. Your post is just further confirmation its the best system to crown a true champion......

You're still missing my point.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

You're still missing my point.

You're avoiding the real issue

The technical term for BCS is computer vomit

One flawed system that led to another flawed system.The comparisons of the systems confirm this

amirite @tnapucco

 

[TheDayMan]

Not surprised

You cant refute it and you already confirmed the system I provided. Is an upgrade from the flawed BCS and Committee systems through your BCS/Comittee comparison


No one has been able to find any factual information to refute the upgraded system. Your post is just further confirmation its the best system to crown a true champion......

That bullshit autobid system you stole from that guy's post a week ago has been "refuted" multiple times across threads, no one cares.

 

[ericd7633]

You're avoiding the real issue

The technical term for BCS is computer vomit

One flawed system that led to another flawed system.The comparisons of the systems confirm this

amirite @tnapucco

I'm not avoiding anything. You're still missing my point. Maybe you'll figure it out...

 

[4down20]

How is it bias if the computer is using statistical/factual information? Also, is it any more bias than a group of humans we've trusted to NOT use their NATURAL bias?

Stats don't mean a thing if you don't use them properly.

The good thing about computers is they do what they do equally to all teams, but the formula behind it all is very important. A good formula is like getting someone who knows what they are talking about/doing, and a bad formula is like asking Britney Spears to pick the teams.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

That bullshit autobid system you stole from that guy's post a week ago has been "refuted" multiple times across threads, no one cares.

Ive given

That bullshit autobid system you stole from that guy's post a week ago has been "refuted" multiple times across threads, no one cares.

Mistaken credit for it on multiple occasions. I'm not seeng anything viable refuting it as the better system. Their have been attempts to refute it. But the attempt actually provide examples of why its the better system. You confirmed this further. With the comparison of the flawed BCS system which ran on human influence and flawed date. And the flawed committee system which runs on me opinion and flawed data. In this thread. Just like the flawed BCS system that put Bama in over Okie state by a coaches vote shifting the balance. Or OSU/PSU, Alabama/PSU,TCU and Baylor. All came down to off the field opinions with no criteria....Bottom line if you truly want one true champion,higher companion levels in the reg season and play offs. Its going to require an upgrade. Otherwise its best team by opinion and this is college football not a beauty pageant or boxing,deciding what uniform Oregon is wearing,etc.....which relies on judges more than actual competition

 

[WizardHawk]

The BCS had a human element too... 2/3 of it was based on human polls It'd be for the best if everyone could just stop pretending the human judgement aspect is inherently bad or faulty. I din't like the idea of the committee at first, but they've been fine, if you can't figure out what they're looking for you're a stupid asshole.

Look at this, the evil biased playoff committee knows no bounds.

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Wait, so the BCS wouldn't have pushed his team up into the top 8?

Back to the drawing board....

 

[7Samurai13]

They're literally too close to the same thing......This was proven in th comparisons between the committee era and BCS formula.....Neither the BCS or Committee system work.If you want actual progress and "less bitching" reduce the human influence,stop relying so heavily on the AP,Coaches,committee,computers that recognize numbers but cant actually differentiate actual SOS. Not the flawed SOS so many rely. Reduce human influence and play the game on the field.

6 team playoff with 5 autobids CC and 1 WC but there are some rules.

1.Every P5 team plays 10 P5 games and 2 patsy G5/FCS games. The committee can only use P5 games to evaluate a team.

2. If you have more than 2 losses and win your conference you lose your autobid. That spot becomes an extra WC spot.This is a far stronger version to determine the championship. Cuts out all the question marks and 800 page debates on who people "think" are the best teams

2017
Clemson 12-1 CC, 12-1 UGA CC,12–1 Oklahoma CC,, 11-2 Ohio State CC , 11-2 USC,
Are in on Auto bid and12-1 Alabama most likely gets the At Large spot

2016
12- 1 Clemson CC, 12-1 Oklahoma CC,11-2 Penn State CC,11-1 Washington CC, 13-0 Alabama CC,
Are all in on Auto bid 11-1 Ohio State moct likely gets the At Large Bid

2015
13-0 Clemson CC,,12-1 Oklahoma CC,12-1 Michigan State CC,11-2 Stanford CC,12-1 Alabama CC

Are allí in on Auto Bids 11-1 Ohio State or !!-1 Iowa most likely get the At Large Bid

2014
13-0 FSU CC, 12-1 Ohio State CC, 12-1 Oregon CC,12-1 Alabama CC
Are all in on Auto Bod 11 - 1 TCU and !1 - 1 Baylor are most likely in as the At Large Bids

ou could expand to 8 and include G5's. UCF did beat Auburn and had a legitimate claim to the best team in he country last year. Based on results and common opponents as well . Under the current system I cant say they have had a true champion or the best teams. With all the human influence and debate

he only thing anyone could legitimately "bitch" about here is an actual true champion, not debating who they "think" is the best 4 and a much higher completion level with an increase in meaningful games......

You are right, nobody bitched about the BCS, especially not in 2011.

 

[TheDayMan]

Ive given

Mistaken credit for it on multiple occasions. I'm not seeng anything viable refuting it as the better system. Their have been attempts to refute it. But the attempt actually provide examples of why its the better system. You confirmed this further. With the comparison of the flawed BCS system which ran on human influence and flawed date. And the flawed committee system which runs on me opinion and flawed data. In this thread. Just like the flawed BCS system that put Bama in over Okie state by a coaches vote shifting the balance. Or OSU/PSU, Alabama/PSU,TCU and Baylor. All came down to off the field opinions with no criteria....Bottom line if you truly want one true champion,higher companion levels in the reg season and play offs. Its going to require an upgrade. Otherwise its best team by opinion and this is college football not a beauty pageant or boxing,deciding what uniform Oregon is wearing,etc.....which relies on judges more than actual competition

 

[WizardHawk]

So now it begs the question as to what's the point of the change if we get, 99% of the time, the same results? I know they didn't know that at the time, but the CFP really only altered 1 season, 2015, in which the BCS rankings would've had Clemson play Michigan State instead of Oklahoma.

Right, and all this bitching over conf champs need to mean something and it's OUTRAGEOUS they be left out of some post season has also already been proven to be a bad idea that tears college football apart and most seasons STILL ends up with the same teams, just like the BCS. Out of the last 4 years only two power five conf champs have been left out of the top 6 and both of those teams were bad. Like no one outside of their fan base would have argued. Yes, USC was one of them which is why dipshit is all over some retards really bad idea.

There really isn't anything broken.

As for the premise of your OP, it isn't even the first time this came up in the last couple of weeks. Someone else made a thread about the BCS which is probably why dayman was quick on those comparisons as this thread is kind of badmin. So no, you aren't alone the belief that the BCS wasn't bad and didn't really need to be thrown out. Many of us have said similar things.

The unpopular option is the stupid auto bid bullshit.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

You are right, nobody bitched about the BCS, especially not in 2011.

And in this system they're right back at square on When we rely Human influence and polls theres always going to be "bitching" due to the flaws ....They just added two more teams.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Right, and all this bitching over conf champs need to mean something and it's OUTRAGEOUS they be left out of some post season has also already been proven to be a bad idea that tears college football apart and most seasons STILL ends up with the same teams, just like the BCS. Out of the last 4 years only two power five conf champs have been left out of the top 6 and both of those teams were bad. Like no one outside of their fan base would have argued. Yes, USC was one of them which is why dipshit is all over some retards really bad idea.

There really isn't anything broken.

As for the premise of your OP, it isn't even the first time this came up in the last couple of weeks. Someone else made a thread about the BCS which is probably why dayman was quick on those comparisons as this thread is kind of badmin. So no, you aren't alone the belief that the BCS wasn't bad and didn't really need to be thrown out. Many of us have said similar things.

The unpopular option is the stupid auto bid bullshit.

There isn't anything broken......Yet every year theres a major debate and disparity on the teams that were selected. Based on the opinion of a committee off the field. Which is back to the beauty pageant format.May as well bring back AP titles too while we're at it.Oh wait they already did that when they had to award UCF a natty last year

No legit argument against the upgraded format. That ensures the best teams are in the title picture........You can keep trying but you will still fail to dispute the upgraded system through facts based on the format. Just semantics,deflections,veering off topic......Indesputable fomat point blank. I don't even have to respond you just keep confirming it for me with posts like these.....Keep up the good work

 

[WizardHawk]

Debate does not equal broken.

There would be debate on any format. You can't please everyone. Auto bids would piss off WAY more than it would please, particularly after it destroys it entirely and makes it a total farce.

So again, the premise that there is some 'fix' is entirely bullshit that thankfully, most don't buy into.

 

[TheDayMan]

Right, and all this bitching over conf champs need to mean something and it's OUTRAGEOUS they be left out of some post season has also already been proven to be a bad idea that tears college football apart and most seasons STILL ends up with the same teams, just like the BCS. Out of the last 4 years only two power five conf champs have been left out of the top 6 and both of those teams were bad. Like no one outside of their fan base would have argued. Yes, USC was one of them which is why dipshit is all over some retards really bad idea.

There really isn't anything broken.

As for the premise of your OP, it isn't even the first time this came up in the last couple of weeks. Someone else made a thread about the BCS which is probably why dayman was quick on those comparisons as this thread is kind of badmin. So no, you aren't alone the belief that the BCS wasn't bad and didn't really need to be thrown out. Many of us have said similar things.

The unpopular option is the stupid auto bid bullshit.

I actually prefer the committee's rankings in general, not that it really matters when you consider they both have the same teams in the top 4 every year, even if not in the same order. Just all goes back to the human element is an easy thing to pick on when people want to claim bias or bitch about their team being left out. It's the same as blaming the refs because you lost a game, except worse because refs actually do make shitty calls and every committee ranking has been justifiable.

And yeah, clarkson with that set up he latched onto a week ago... It was just what he was looking for, it puts USC in last year but also attempts to address a lot of the the spot on criticisms of an autobid system. Because, hey, why not add a bunch of rules that are already a de facto part of the current system, and all the conferences would never sign on to end up with a worse set up than we already have without doing that...

 

[TheDayMan]

There isn't anything broken.

I stopped there because it's the smartest thing I've seen you post since you were ripping on Rosen in that NFL thread. Didn't want to read on and take that away from you.