So, Is The "U" Back?

[Across The Field]

Any actual CFB fan who takes the rivalry out of it will say the exact same thing.
Harbaugh’s California contacts from Stanford have helped him bring in kids UM never would have got to travel across the country. David Long, Devin Asiasi (he transferred back to Cali after one year to play by home), Giles Jackson, Zach Charbonnet, etc.

ATF will tell anyone who will listen it was because of OSU. But it was hiring Meyer, while the top programs in Florida and Texas struggled — he raided those states and got many of the recruits to come to OSU.

The only way UM is getting some of the elite type recruits that OSU gets all the time is if they are interested in the academics. You can go down the list:
Peppers almost had a 4.0

Gary’s mom was ALL about academics because of his dyslexia and he almost had a 4.0

Daxton Hill almost had a 4.0

DPJ wants to be a doctor, like his dad and had a 4.0

Those are the kind of 5 star guys we get.

So let's just clear this up - Harbaugh is actually doing just as good of a job of coaching and developing talent as Urban/Day, but the only thing that explains why we're beating you by an average of almost 3 TDs during Harbaugh's tenure is because of recruiting stars. Is that what you honestly believe?

Also - regarding michigan football players and academics (LMAO) - ask your current head coach and former player what his thoughts are.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

And I'll bring up the recruiting from the 2000s. michigan was soundly kicking Ohio State's ass in recruiting, yet we beat them every year Tressel was here but once. Why's that? Because Tressel was an elite coach and talent developer, which is something michigan hasn't had in 20+ years.

Again, recruiting stars do not mean success if you don't have elite coaching and development. It's why Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State are elite year after year while Florida State, Texas, Miami, and USC have fallen off. All things being equal, the only thing that sets Ohio State apart from michigan is that we hire amazing coaches while they settle for duds. That's it.

Oh, and as @TrustMeIamRight pointed out, we lure all these blue chip kids with online classes. Can't forget about that...

And THAT is why they call you a homer

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So let's just clear this up - Harbaugh is actually doing just as good of a job of coaching and developing talent as Urban/Day, but the only thing that explains why we're beating you by an average of almost 3 TDs during Harbaugh's tenure is because of recruiting stars. Is that what you honestly believe?

Also - regarding michigan football players and academics (LMAO) - ask your current head coach and former player what his thoughts are.

I love that you put Day in the conversation with his one year as a head coach with Urban Meyer’s recruits and a QB who transferred in a few months before the season.

Did you finish in 2nd last time they held the biggest homer on the board and you want to make sure you get first next time?!?

 

[Across The Field]

And THAT is why they call you a homer

It's funny that you're oblivious to the fact that you're just as big a homer as I am, if not more.

 

[Across The Field]

I love that you put Day in the conversation with his one year as a head coach with Urban Meyer’s recruits and a QB who transferred in a few months before the season.

Did you finish in 2nd last time they held the biggest homer on the board and you want to make sure you get first next time?!?

It's funny. We bring in a 5* transfer QB and win the conference in dominant and historical fashion. You bring in a 5* transfer QB (who even had starting experience in the SEC) and don't do anything.

You're also an idiot if you don't understand how elite of a recruiter Ryan Day was as the OC and is currently. I mean, all he did was just wrap up the 5th best class in the nation for 2020 and is sitting at 2nd overall for the 2021 class, fractions of a point behind Clemson. I don't know if you could find anyone in the nation outside of the state of michigan who would rather have Harbaugh than Day.

So, I'll ask again - Harbaugh is actually doing just as good of a job of coaching and developing talent as Urban/Day, but the only thing that explains why we're beating you by an average of almost 3 TDs during Harbaugh's tenure is because of recruiting stars. Is that what you honestly believe?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So let's just clear this up - Harbaugh is actually doing just as good of a job of coaching and developing talent as Urban/Day, but the only thing that explains why we're beating you by an average of almost 3 TDs during Harbaugh's tenure is because of recruiting stars. Is that what you honestly believe?

Also - regarding michigan football players and academics (LMAO) - ask your current head coach and former player what his thoughts are.

Speaking of former players — here is one you may know and go figure — he says the same thing as me.

I’m sure you know much more than the guy paid to talk about college football though. (The sad part is — you will still try to argue)

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

It's funny that you're oblivious to the fact that you're just as big a homer as I am, if not more.

 

[Across The Field]

Speaking of former players — here is one you may know and go figure — he says the same thing as me.

I’m sure you know much more than the guy paid to talk about college football though. (The sad part is — you will still try to argue)

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It's a "key ingredient", not the only reason, and again, something that happens due to elite coaching and development. But please, keep digging your hole.

Also, I notice you refuse to acknowledge your recent All-American's comments on how sad the attitude at your program is.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

It's funny. We bring in a 5* transfer QB and win the conference in dominant and historical fashion. You bring in a 5* transfer QB (who even had starting experience in the SEC) and don't do anything.

You're also an idiot if you don't understand how elite of a recruiter Ryan Day was as the OC and is currently. I mean, all he did was just wrap up the 5th best class in the nation for 2020 and is sitting at 2nd overall for the 2021 class, fractions of a point behind Clemson. I don't know if you could find anyone in the nation outside of the state of michigan who would rather have Harbaugh than Day.

So, I'll ask again - Harbaugh is actually doing just as good of a job of coaching and developing talent as Urban/Day, but the only thing that explains why we're beating you by an average of almost 3 TDs during Harbaugh's tenure is because of recruiting stars. Is that what you honestly believe?

You’d have to add up the last FIFTEEN YEARS of recruits for UM to reach the same amount of top 100 recruits that OSU has in just the last 4 classes.

Keep telling yourself it is all coaching.

 

[ericd7633]

And I'll bring up the recruiting from the 2000s. michigan was soundly kicking Ohio State's ass in recruiting, yet we beat them every year Tressel was here but once. Why's that? Because Tressel was an elite coach and talent developer, which is something michigan hasn't had in 20+ years.

Again, recruiting stars do not mean success if you don't have elite coaching and development. It's why Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State are elite year after year while Florida State, Texas, Miami, and USC have fallen off. All things being equal, the only thing that sets Ohio State apart from michigan is that we hire amazing coaches while they settle for duds. That's it.

Oh, and as @TrustMeIamRight pointed out, we lure all these blue chip kids with online classes. Can't forget about that...

Yeah you beat Carr towards the end of his career and RR. Michigan didn't have great coaching at those points, or at least coaching to fit personnel. Although the 2006 Michigan team was pretty good. Also, I think one of the most underplayed aspects is Michigan losing to App St. Because of that they hired RR to run that offense, then didn't give him enough time to fully implement it. Then went back to a different style under Hoke. They lost their identity. Which is on the administration as well. Yeah you had better coaching in the 2000's. I'm willing to admit that. Although I still think they fired RR to soon, but I'm in the minority there, probably.

And as I've said before OSU develops players as well as anyone. Have you not comprehended me saying that for like the 4th time? But since Urban has been there OSU is on a different level in recruiting, and it showed in the results. What did OSU lose in the B1G since Urban, like 5 times in 8 years?

 

[Across The Field]

You’d have to add up the last FIFTEEN YEARS of recruits for UM to reach the same amount of top 100 recruits that OSU has in just the last 4 classes.

Keep telling yourself it is all coaching.

I don't need to. I'm well aware of the dramatic drop-off from OSU coaches to michigan coaches. But maybe you should tell the other B1G teams that can beat/compete with us that they can't do that because they don't even have as good of recruits as michigan.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

It's a "key ingredient", not the only reason, and again, something that happens due to elite coaching and development. But please, keep digging your hole.

Also, I notice you refuse to acknowledge your recent All-American's comments on how sad the attitude at your program is.

I love that you think I’m digging a hole, as you literally have a ND fan telling you the exact same thing I am.

You have a former Buckeye saying the exact same thing that I am.

Yet you think I’m digging a hole The blinders are strong on you.

And newsflash — UM hasn’t beaten OSU in forever, so moral isn’t going to be high. Is that a shock?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I don't need to. I'm well aware of the dramatic drop-off from OSU coaches to michigan coaches. But maybe you should tell the other B1G teams that can beat/compete with us that they can't do that because they don't even have as good of recruits as michigan.

There’s that homer we know and love. Bragging about the first year HC who lost the only game OSU played against a team with comparable talent.

Give Day some time to actually be a HC with guys he actually recruited before talking how good he is.

 

[Across The Field]

Yeah you beat Carr towards the end of his career and RR. Michigan didn't have great coaching at those points, or at least coaching to fit personnel. Although the 2006 Michigan team was pretty good. Also, I think one of the most underplayed aspects is Michigan losing to App St. Because of that they hired RR to run that offense, then didn't give him enough time to fully implement it. Then went back to a different style under Hoke. They lost their identity. Which is on the administration as well. Yeah you had better coaching in the 2000's. I'm willing to admit that. Although I still think they fired RR to soon, but I'm in the minority there, probably.

And as I've said before OSU develops players as well as anyone. Have you not comprehended me saying that for like the 4th time? But since Urban has been there OSU is on a different level in recruiting, and it showed in the results. What did OSU lose in the B1G since Urban, like 5 times in 8 years?

I don't disagree with you whatsoever. Again, what you're saying just emphasizes my point. We do a significantly better job of bringing in good coaches who know what they're doing, while michigan just tries to make a splash that will pacify fans for a while.

 

[Across The Field]

There’s that homer we know and love. Bragging about the first year HC who lost the only game OSU played against a team with comparable talent.

Give Day some time to actually be a HC with guys he actually recruited before talking how good he is.

Again, if you're ignorant of Day's recruiting abilities for the two years he spent working as OC, then there's no need for you to continue. You just keep proving my point that you know little to nothing about college football.

But please, keep ignoring the point about what Devin Bush said and keep harping on those online classes that allow us to bring in all the elite recruits

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Again, if you're ignorant of Day's recruiting abilities for the two years he spent working as OC, then there's no need for you to continue. You just keep proving my point that you know little to nothing about college football.

But please, keep ignoring the point about what Devin Bush said and keep harping on those online classes that allow us to bring in all the elite recruits

Ryan Day was ranked 10th as a recruiter in 2019. He wasn’t ranked in the top 50 in 2018.

You do know 247 puts out recruiter rankings too, right?

 

[Across The Field]

Ryan Day was ranked 10th as a recruiter in 2019. He wasn’t ranked in the top 50 in 2018.

You do know 247 puts out recruiter rankings too, right?

I tend to actually look at his role in recruiting and what recruits/players say about him as opposed to an arbitrary, ever-changing rankings list says. Go take a look at that list and realize how stupid it is, unless you believe the TEs coach from Tennessee is actually the 2nd best recruiter in all of college football.

Still cowardly avoiding Devin Bush's comments?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I don't disagree with you whatsoever. Again, what you're saying just emphasizes my point. We do a significantly better job of bringing in good coaches who know what they're doing, while michigan just tries to make a splash that will pacify fans for a while.

Do you realize how dumb you sound?!? Ryan Day has literally never been a HC, yet you are saying UM, by hiring a coach like Harbaugh was a splash hire

Wow. Just when I thought the homer in you couldn’t get any worse.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I tend to actually look at his role in recruiting and what recruits/players say about him as opposed to an arbitrary, ever-changing rankings list says. Go take a look at that list and realize how stupid it is, unless you believe the TEs coach from Tennessee is actually the 2nd best recruiter in all of college football.

Still cowardly avoiding Devin Bush's comments?

My bad — I didn’t realize you talked personally to the recruits. I take it all back.

The best part is — you had no idea 247 puts out a list for recruiters and you had to run and look at it. Makes it priceless when you want to talk about other people’s football knowledge

 

[7Samurai13]

Michigan’s biggest disadvantage when it comes to recruiting. Athletes are required to attend classes, as UM does not offer online courses.
Michigan also lacks the type of in state player base that Ohio has. I can count the number of quality HS programs on two, maybe three fingers. (Cass Tech, Detroit King, Belleville)
The last and most important one is the hiring of Urban Meyer. It gave OSU an in with schools he built relationships with while at Florida and has brought them all kinds of talent. As Florida, Florida State and Texas haven’t been elite, their elite recruits go to schools that have been — one of them being OSU.

With how crazy recruiting is now — teams like Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State, Notre Dame — teams in states without a ton of in state talent — they are fighting a losing battle, as the majority of recruits they are relying on signing are from other states, who grew up watching and cheering for other teams. They not only have to beat out the local teams, but also the national programs who are going after them too.

Unless something changes in recruiting — I don’t see it changing all to much.

Except Michigan has been regularly pulling top 10 classes. How can Michigan possibly compete with only 3 top ten classes the last 4 years? It’s so unfair that they are able to recruit across the nation and draw talent from all over rather than just in state.