So glad we decided.....

[Darrell Green Fan]

If we are going to play the woulda shoulda game, Cousins SHOULD have thrown two more picks and taken another sack that was negated by a penalty. The 10 points he put up was enough to help his team WIN. I realize that admitting Tannehill is a much better QB just makes the RG3 move look that much dumber. BUt face it... we not only took the wrong guy, but passed up on the guy who would have this team in a much better situation all in one brilliant move.

Obviously the Griffin trade was a terrible move but that's water under the bridge, time to move on. I just caution you that hitching your wagon to Ryan Tannehill is the road to nowhere. You don't win big and over a long period of time with a Ryan Tannehill very often. So no I'm glad we didn't go that route because it appears as if the guy we got in round 4 of that draft is just about as good.

Bottom line is neither Kirk or Tannehill is every going to be good enough. Going for a top QB is neither a splash move or taking a short cut. If you look at the game it's actually a very smart move. Teams that settle for the Ryan Tannehills of the world are settling for OK. I want more than OK even if it means starting over.

 

[ehb5]

How do you figure that?? We are currently looking at

1. Possibly drafting another QB early
2. Looking at bringing in another HC


The perennial contenders are NOT constantly changing coaches and QB's. Again dude, just admit it.. we suck. And mainly we suck because we are constantly trying to make the splash move and take shortcuts. ONe of two people will not be in Ashburn next season. And if Gruden goes, I think RG3 stays. Which basically makes us Traci Lords in the 80's... fucked nine ways to sunday.

Yea because they have a franchise qb already! Sure if you have tom freaking brady you don't change your qb and coach. Those teams aren't good because they don't change coaches and qbs. They don't change coaches and qbs because they have good coaches and qbs. We have neither a good coach nor a good qb. Therefore we need one of each. The Dolphins on the other hand have a meh qb that's better than what we have but not good enough. Who do you think it will be easier for to find a franchise qb? Us because we aren't a middling team. Like you said, we suck. And because we suck we can draft a top QB.

 

[ehb5]

Obviously the Griffin trade was a terrible move but that's water under the bridge, time to move on. I just caution you that hitching your wagon to Ryan Tannehill is the road to nowhere. You don't win big and over a long period of time with a Ryan Tannehill very often. So no I'm glad we didn't go that route because it appears as if the guy we got in round 4 of that draft is just about as good.

Bottom line is neither Kirk or Tannehill is every going to be good enough. Going for a top QB is neither a splash move or taking a short cut. If you look at the game it's actually a very smart move. Teams that settle for the Ryan Tannehills of the world are settling for OK. I want more than OK even if it means starting over.

This times 100000. I'm not advocating a splash move trade up. I'm advocate we use our draft pick to find a franchise QB. One that is an actual franchise qb and not a tannehill or dalton.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yea because they have a franchise qb already! Sure if you have tom freaking brady you don't change your qb and coach. Those teams aren't good because they don't change coaches and qbs. They don't change coaches and qbs because they have good coaches and qbs. We have neither a good coach nor a good qb. Therefore we need one of each. The Dolphins on the other hand have a meh qb that's better than what we have but not good enough. Who do you think it will be easier for to find a franchise qb? Us because we aren't a middling team. Like you said, we suck. And because we suck we can draft a top QB.

WHo?? Cardale Jones?? Yet another over hyped QB that will come in and get his ass handed to him?? What Tannehill, Dalton, Flacco and all of the NON-franchise QBs in your opinion bring is stability. They give their teams a chance to improve and win because they DONT constantly put their team in a position to lose. Hell in the long run I think Kirk COULD become that kind of guy if he can get over his issues with imploding after a bad play. Sadly I dont think Kirk will really get that chance, because if we are 0-4 after week four, he will be benched in favor of Griffin and shit just rolls down hill from there.

 

[ehb5]

WHo?? Cardale Jones?? Yet another over hyped QB that will come in and get his ass handed to him?? What Tannehill, Dalton, Flacco and all of the NON-franchise QBs in your opinion bring is stability. They give their teams a chance to improve and win because they DONT constantly put their team in a position to lose. Hell in the long run I think Kirk COULD become that kind of guy if he can get over his issues with imploding after a bad play. Sadly I dont think Kirk will really get that chance, because if we are 0-4 after week four, he will be benched in favor of Griffin and shit just rolls down hill from there.

Sure. If that's who we believe is worth the 1st round pick. In what little I've seen I personally like Jared goff. But that's not the point. (Also I like how their automatically overhyped and gonna have their ass handed to them apparently). And who gives a shit about stability?? They don't let you improve. The Dolphins will struggle to improve as long as they have tannehill. They're paying a lot for a QB who can't win you a super bowl. I also don't think kirk can get there he hasn't given any reason to believe that whatsoever but that's not really the point.

How is having a middling qb to consistently be a fringe playoff team better than having a chance at a franchise qb who can carry you?

 

[Sharkinva]

Sure. If that's who we believe is worth the 1st round pick. In what little I've seen I personally like Jared goff. But that's not the point. (Also I like how their automatically overhyped and gonna have their ass handed to them apparently). And who gives a shit about stability?? They don't let you improve. The Dolphins will struggle to improve as long as they have tannehill. They're paying a lot for a QB who can't win you a super bowl. I also don't think kirk can get there he hasn't given any reason to believe that whatsoever but that's not really the point.

How is having a middling qb to consistently be a fringe playoff team better than having a chance at a franchise qb who can carry you?

Dude.. .the Dolphins HAVE improved since they drafted Tannehill. Have they gone from average to next level great?? Nope. But their offense has gotten slowly better. And because they have not been constantly chasing the QB dragon, they have been able to improve at other areas of the team. Namely defense. Or am I the only one tired of every fucking off season revolving around RG3 and his stupidity?? And i will throw it out there now, if Gruden is fired we wont be drafting a QB because they will use next year as one more chance to bring in a coach who can work with Griffin.

We need to stop trying to find the golden QB and realize that they golden boy isnt going to be drafted in one brilliant move, but developed over time.

 

[Breed]

WHo?? Cardale Jones?? Yet another over hyped QB that will come in and get his ass handed to him?? What Tannehill, Dalton, Flacco and all of the NON-franchise QBs in your opinion bring is stability. They give their teams a chance to improve and win because they DONT constantly put their team in a position to lose. Hell in the long run I think Kirk COULD become that kind of guy if he can get over his issues with imploding after a bad play. Sadly I dont think Kirk will really get that chance, because if we are 0-4 after week four, he will be benched in favor of Griffin and shit just rolls down hill from there.

Agreed on Jones. I hope the Skins stay away from him.

If the Skins are 0-4 after 4 weeks with Cuz at the helm.....that would make him what? 1-11, 1-12 as a starter with his only starting win coming back in 2012. Now I don't put yesterday's loss on Cuz, but 0-4 would be a different type of animal.

 

[ehb5]

Dude.. .the Dolphins HAVE improved since they drafted Tannehill. Have they gone from average to next level great?? Nope. But their offense has gotten slowly better. And because they have not been constantly chasing the QB dragon, they have been able to improve at other areas of the team. Namely defense. Or am I the only one tired of every fucking off season revolving around RG3 and his stupidity?? And i will throw it out there now, if Gruden is fired we wont be drafting a QB because they will use next year as one more chance to bring in a coach who can work with Griffin.

We need to stop trying to find the golden QB and realize that they golden boy isnt going to be drafted in one brilliant move, but developed over time.

Yea since they drafted him but now theyre stuck. They arent going much further up. Fine get rid of RG3, good. I also call bull on him being here next year. Theres no way unless he does something crazy this year (not gonna happen).

But why would we stop trying to find the golden QB? He is gonna be drafted and he isnt gonna just be developed out of thin air. Why is it bad to draft a franchise QB? We dont have to give him the rg3 treatment and turn everything into a circus. You cant just take some below average QB off the street and develop him into a franchise QB.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yea since they drafted him but now theyre stuck. They arent going much further up. Fine get rid of RG3, good. I also call bull on him being here next year. Theres no way unless he does something crazy this year (not gonna happen).

But why would we stop trying to find the golden QB? He is gonna be drafted and he isnt gonna just be developed out of thin air. Why is it bad to draft a franchise QB? We dont have to give him the rg3 treatment and turn everything into a circus. You cant just take some below average QB off the street and develop him into a franchise QB.

We need to stop trying to chase the Golden QB because in most cases they are not simply found by burning a top five pick. They are developed. And more importantly they have a team in place before they get there. When we had a consistent top ten defense, I would have been fine with trading up for a QB or chasing after the golden boy. BUt if we are any where close to drafting one of the top QBs in next years draft... it will also likely mean we need OTHER more pressing positions unless you really want to watch us destroy another young QB.

 

[ehb5]

We need to stop trying to chase the Golden QB because in most cases they are not simply found by burning a top five pick. They are developed. And more importantly they have a team in place before they get there. When we had a consistent top ten defense, I would have been fine with trading up for a QB or chasing after the golden boy. BUt if we are any where close to drafting one of the top QBs in next years draft... it will also likely mean we need OTHER more pressing positions unless you really want to watch us destroy another young QB.

Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Peyton, Luck, Cam, Flacco, Rodgers, Ryan, Cutler, and Palmer were all drafted in the 1st round. The other good QBs are Romo, Brady, Brees, and Wilson. Im not sure what you mean by theyre developed. I mean yea, they are but they are usually 1st round QBs with talent and at some point they dont develop. Development is not a guarantee. We cant just find ourselves brian hoyer and develop him. We probably cant turn kirk into anything either. But what if we draft Goff and hes the real deal. The line is good enough he wont get killed. We've got 2 RBs 2 WRs and a TE with talent. Why cant we take a chance on him?

 

[Sharkinva]

Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Peyton, Luck, Cam, Flacco, Rodgers, Ryan, Cutler, and Palmer were all drafted in the 1st round. The other good QBs are Romo, Brady, Brees, and Wilson. Im not sure what you mean by theyre developed. I mean yea, they are but they are usually 1st round QBs with talent and at some point they dont develop. Development is not a guarantee. We cant just find ourselves brian hoyer and develop him. We probably cant turn kirk into anything either. But what if we draft Goff and hes the real deal. The line is good enough he wont get killed. We've got 2 RBs 2 WRs and a TE with talent. Why cant we take a chance on him?

Al those I highlighted have taken years to develop. Even when taken in the first round. I guess you missed the whole first four years of Eli when they wondered if he would turn out like Bob. Romo was a backup for four years, as was Rogers. And the list of first round savior QBs who have been complete or semi busts is MUCH longer. Of those no highlighted how many have gone to good teams only missing a QB. Brady, Flacco, Wilson and a few others.

Again we have spent so many years and draft picks chasing the golden unicorn that we have let the rest of the roster rot into its present state. Going after Griffin only increased the decay of the roster, and fostered a culture of star player mentality which is a part of the real dysfunction with this team. Any place else there would have been an open competition for the starting gig this year. Not some phantom super secret open competition like we apparently had. If neither of the QBs we currently have are the QB to lead us forward, it would be dumb to keep throwing high draft picks at the position as right now this team is constructed to build going forward. My hope is that SMGM remembers how he built the Niners and the Seahawks and resists the urge to feed another young QB to the wolves. Because we all know if Gruden is fired and we draft a QB, no way does Dan go for a 1st round pick sitting on the bench behind whom ever the journeyman QB we bring in happens to be. And as i said before, if we go through the season with Griffin on the roster and Gruden does get fired, Griffin will be the QB next year any way.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Peyton, Luck, Cam, Flacco, Rodgers, Ryan, Cutler, and Palmer were all drafted in the 1st round. The other good QBs are Romo, Brady, Brees, and Wilson. Im not sure what you mean by theyre developed. I mean yea, they are but they are usually 1st round QBs with talent and at some point they dont develop. Development is not a guarantee. We cant just find ourselves brian hoyer and develop him. We probably cant turn kirk into anything either. But what if we draft Goff and hes the real deal. The line is good enough he wont get killed. We've got 2 RBs 2 WRs and a TE with talent. Why cant we take a chance on him?

Brees was the first pick of round 2, essentially another first round QB.

Again Shark nobody is suggesting we trade up, and we all understand top 5 QBs bust a lot. But the way to riches in the NFL is with a top QB, frankly I can't see how that is debatable. So unless your goal is mediocrity, and make no mistake Ryan Tannehill is the road to mediocrity, the idea of taking a top rated QB has to be considered. It's not irrational, it's not chasing the golden goose, it's how the game is today and the game requires a top QB to be consistent contenders in the vast majority of cases.

 

[j_y19]

Brees was the first pick of round 2, essentially another first round QB.

Again Shark nobody is suggesting we trade up, and we all understand top 5 QBs bust a lot. But the way to riches in the NFL is with a top QB, frankly I can't see how that is debatable. So unless your goal is mediocrity, and make no mistake Ryan Tannehill is the road to mediocrity, the idea of taking a top rated QB has to be considered. It's not irrational, it's not chasing the golden goose, it's how the game is today and the game requires a top QB to be consistent contenders in the vast majority of cases.

It absolutely should be considered, but it doesn't have to be an absolute we draft a QB if we have a top pick. If we have learned anything, if there are questions about any prospect, maybe we trade that pick and continue to fill out the roster and make what we have work until we can get the prospect we want. In other words, don't be so desperate we over look red flags.

 

[Sharkinva]

Brees was the first pick of round 2, essentially another first round QB.

Again Shark nobody is suggesting we trade up, and we all understand top 5 QBs bust a lot. But the way to riches in the NFL is with a top QB, frankly I can't see how that is debatable. So unless your goal is mediocrity, and make no mistake Ryan Tannehill is the road to mediocrity, the idea of taking a top rated QB has to be considered. It's not irrational, it's not chasing the golden goose, it's how the game is today and the game requires a top QB to be consistent contenders in the vast majority of cases.

How many "top flight QB prospects" has this team totally wiffed on over the past 20 or so years?? I dont see a Manning, Brady or Luck in the coming draft. I also see this team finishing just good enough to NOT have the top pick in the draft. But yes by all means we should draft the next Christian Ponder. Because that right there is what will turn this team around. So are you all in to fail for Cardale? (Whom by the way I think is going to need alot more around him than what we currently have)

 

[j_y19]

How many "top flight QB prospects" has this team totally wiffed on over the past 20 or so years?? I dont see a Manning, Brady or Luck in the coming draft. I also see this team finishing just good enough to NOT have the top pick in the draft. But yes by all means we should draft the next Christian Ponder. Because that right there is what will turn this team around. So are you all in to fail for Cardale? (Whom by the way I think is going to need alot more around him than what we currently have)

A ton. But that doesn't mean you quit swinging. Just wait for your pitch. If it's not in the first round, let some new fool whiff for a change.

Btw, I agree that I don't see a QB top pick candidate in this draft.

 

[Sharkinva]

A ton. But that doesn't mean you quit swinging. Just wait for your pitch. If it's not in the first round, let some new fool whiff for a change.

Btw, I agree that I don't see a QB top pick candidate in this draft.

Desperation to find a franchise QB has lead to more screwups by this team than any other position by far. Time to go in another direction.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Desperation to find a franchise QB has lead to more screwups by this team than any other position by far. Time to go in another direction.

Griffin and trading up for Campbell, that's all I got. Where else did they screw up trying for a QB franchise? I can think of several more screw ups on the defensive line and at WR in our past.

So what is your approach? Ride Cousins? Fill out the rest of the roster and hope you get blind lucky and find the next Joe Montana in round 3? Or is it really beat the odds and try to remain contenders for a decade with a guy at the level of Nick Foles?

 

[j_y19]

Griffin and trading up for Campbell, that's all I got. Where else did they screw up trying for a QB franchise? I can think of several more screw ups on the defensive line and at WR in our past.

So what is your approach? Ride Cousins? Fill out the rest of the roster and hope you get blind lucky and find the next Joe Montana in round 3? Or is it really beat the odds and try to remain contenders for a decade with a guy at the level of Nick Foles?

Schuler? Ramsey? The point is just that. If he's not damn near a sure thing, use the high pick to fill out the rest of the holes. Make your team so that a game manager taken in lower rounds can lead the team. Someone like a Wilson, flacco, etc can succeed. We've got to stop our desperation picks in searching for a QB. Let's see if we can develop Kirk to be that stop gap guy. He has the tools, just needs the experience.

 

[Sharkinva]

Griffin and trading up for Campbell, that's all I got. Where else did they screw up trying for a QB franchise? I can think of several more screw ups on the defensive line and at WR in our past.

So what is your approach? Ride Cousins? Fill out the rest of the roster and hope you get blind lucky and find the next Joe Montana in round 3? Or is it really beat the odds and try to remain contenders for a decade with a guy at the level of Nick Foles?

How about fill out the rest of the roster to the point where all you are missing is a solid QB. You know the way we actually did the last time we won a Super Bowl. Or are you saying Joe Thiesman, Mark Rypen and Doug Williams were Franchise QBs?? In this town all a young supposed franchise QB is good for is selling Jerseys and causing the fan base to splinter. I miss the good old days where Skins fans would say.. DAmn it, this is OUR QB. He might not be the greatest in the world, but damn it he is OURS.

NOw all we seem to do is get left with the decision of are we a fan of the player or the team.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

How about fill out the rest of the roster to the point where all you are missing is a solid QB. You know the way we actually did the last time we won a Super Bowl. Or are you saying Joe Thiesman, Mark Rypen and Doug Williams were Franchise QBs?? In this town all a young supposed franchise QB is good for is selling Jerseys and causing the fan base to splinter. I miss the good old days where Skins fans would say.. DAmn it, this is OUR QB. He might not be the greatest in the world, but damn it he is OURS.

NOw all we seem to do is get left with the decision of are we a fan of the player or the team.

That was a thousand years ago and included a Hall of Fame head coach. Isn't it obvious by now that the teams with dreaded game managers go home nearly every January and the teams standing at the end have the better QBs? And Russell Wilson is not a game manager, he makes huge plays at critical times virtually every week to help his team win. Alex Smith and Sam Bradford do not.

Shuler and Ramsey were not selling the farm for a QB, they were taken with first round picks and one was a very late first. I get it, most bust, but you gotta have one to compete year after year again with very few exceptions (Flacco).