Short Buss Might be a Genius

[TurnUpTheHeat]

And this makes you who? Nostradamus? Pretty much every Lakers fan on here has said the Lakers are looking at being around .500 this year. We've all said that even if every thing comes together and some of these guys live up to the potential that teams believed they had when they were drafted, we were looking at a 7 or 8 seed again.

You repeating what virtually every Lakers fan on here has already said, doesn't make you an expert, it makes you a parrot.

PLEASE...

In your dreams.
Many (not all) Laker fans were picking the Lakers to finish ahead of the Rockets, Mavs, etc.., and were downright offended when I offered the opinion that they, on paper, were no better then the T Wolves, Blazers and Pelicans.

 

[LAKERSUSCBAM]

I almost never see you post anything about the Knicks, I've never seen you start a thread about them.

what's there to post if he did have something to talk about....they've been irrelevant since Willis' days, minus the years they almost made it to Finals with Ewing. Their obsession is all things Lakers/Kobe when it comes to the usual suspects like JD/Bot/Logic Man....that's what keeps this board and others relevant. Take us out and it's as dull as a door nail.

 

[LogicMan]

True Dat Bam True Dat

 

[trojanfan12]

I almost never see you post anything about the Knicks, I've never seen you start a thread about them.

what's there to post if he did have something to talk about....they've been irrelevant since Willis' days, minus the years they almost made it to Finals with Ewing. Their obsession is all things Lakers/Kobe when it comes to the usual suspects like JD/Bot/Logic Man....that's what keeps this board and others relevant. Take us out and it's as dull as a door nail.

Can't argue that!! The Lakers are still the most popular team, even when they're down.

I chalk it up to the fear that they will inevitably be back!!

 

[trojanfan12]

PLEASE...

In your dreams.
Many (not all) Laker fans were picking the Lakers to finish ahead of the Rockets, Mavs, etc.., and were downright offended when I offered the opinion that they, on paper, were no better then the T Wolves, Blazers and Pelicans.

Many, is a bit of a stretch. Most Lakers fans understand exactly what we have, know that it will take at least 35-40 games for us to know exactly how good this team can be. We also understand that even if everyone on the team lives up to potential and Kobe comes back and is Kobe again, we are still looking at nothing better than a 7 or 8 seed (6 at the outside) and a 1st round exit. The West is just too deep for anything more.

In fact, I've seen several Lakers fans suggest that Kobe just sit out for the season so that the Lakers can tank and get into the lottery.

 

[Jims_Doors]

I almost never see you post anything about the Knicks, I've never seen you start a thread about them.

what's there to post if he did have something to talk about....they've been irrelevant since Willis' days, minus the years they almost made it to Finals with Ewing. Their obsession is all things Lakers/Kobe when it comes to the usual suspects like JD/Bot/Logic Man....that's what keeps this board and others relevant. Take us out and it's as dull as a door nail.

Except for the part where the Knicks played for a title against the Spurs in 1999. You might have remembered if your boy Kobe wasn't swept out of the 2nd round by the same Spurs.

"Don't talk about my Lakers"......

Gimme a break...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

]Many, is a bit of a stretch.

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No it isn't.
You act like there are that many Laker fans here. Many more then less fall under the category of what I said.


Most Lakers fans understand exactly what we have, know that it will take at least 35-40 games for us to know exactly how good this team can be. We also understand that even if everyone on the team lives up to potential and Kobe comes back and is Kobe again,

we are still looking at nothing better than a 7 or 8 seed (6 at the outside) and a 1st round exit. The West is just too deep for anything more.

So you are still drinking the Kool Ade?

Please tell me the list of teams you might pass to get into that position

Spurs? Thunder? Clippers? Warriors? Rockets? Blazers? Nuggets? Wolves? Mavs?

In fact, I've seen several Lakers fans suggest that Kobe just sit out for the season so that the Lakers can tank and get into the lottery.

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Of course. Like I said at the time, he should have been amnestied.
THEN, all of this money he is getting the next 2 years would have made a lot more sense.

 

[trojanfan12]

No it isn't.
You act like there are that many Laker fans here. Many more then less fall under the category of what I said.

There are more Lakers fans than you think. many just stick to the Lakers board. If even one Lakers fan says what you did, you tend to assume that means many. Most Lakers fans that I see and converse with believe exactly as I described.

So you are still drinking the Kool Ade?

Please tell me the list of teams you might pass to get into that position

Spurs? Thunder? Clippers? Warriors? Rockets? Blazers? Nuggets? Wolves? Mavs?

What Kool-Aid? I specifically stated what it would take for the Lakers to achieve that. A "best case scenario". Do you not understand the difference? It is an 82 game season and all kinds of things can happen. This is the problem with you turnip. Someone mentions a "best case scenario" and you start acting like that is what they think will happen.

You really need to work on your comprehension skills. I will type it again real slow so the you can hopefully understand. I believe that the Lakers are looking at a .500 record at best. If everything falls perfectly into place they could get a 7 or 8 seed (6th on the outside).


Understand now?

Of course. Like I said at the time, he should have been amnestied.
THEN, all of this money he is getting the next 2 years would have made a lot more sense.

Amnestying Kobe was never an option. I understand how it makes sense, but it's not something the Lakers considered. In fact, I saw an interview where Kupchak (I believe) was asked about it and he basically laughed at the suggestion.

 

[Black Adam]

Can't argue that!! The Lakers are still the most popular team, even when they're down.

I chalk it up to the fear that they will inevitably be back!!

But they WON'T be back. Ask any of our detractors...:rollseyes:

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

No it isn't.
You act like there are that many Laker fans here. Many more then less fall under the category of what I said.

There are more Lakers fans than you think. many just stick to the Lakers board. If even one Lakers fan says what you did, you tend to assume that means many. Most Lakers fans that I see and converse with believe exactly as I described.

What I said, is what I said. It has nothing to do with what others said.
I can read. A few ( in proportion) Lakers fans felt like I did.
Many though, saw much more potential then what was predicted of this roster.
They were saying that they felt the Lakers were better then the Rockets, Mavs, and a couple of other teams which logically made zero sense.

Their opinion was based on everything being equal, as mine was.

You are now talking best case, which I suppose means other teams have injuries and the Lakers don't + all the role players over achieve?

The best case stuff IMO makes no sense. There is no way to even try to guess injuries etc... and if there was, you have a player coming off of major surgery, so if anything, he becomes the biggest ? of the bunch.


We have seen nearly 15% of the season now.
The Lakers are pretty much exactly where they should be.
You can't pencil in every W/L by looking at the schedule, but overall, like I stated way back when, they figured to be a decent home team and struggle big time to win on the road.

We have seen rosters like this every year forever, and that is pretty much the formula.
It's not changing, Kobe or no Kobe, this season.


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[lakersrule]

Of course. Like I said at the time, he should have been amnestied.
THEN, all
of this money he is getting the next 2 years would have made a lot more sense.

I doubt Kobe would have even considered resigning if the Lakers had amnestied him.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I doubt Kobe would have even considered resigning if the Lakers had amnestied him.

It would have had to have been a mutually agreed scenario. I'm not suggesting they should have blind sided him or made a unilateral decision.

Everyone knows how driven Kobe is.
It would have ended conversation of when he might return and given him the time he may have needed to not rush anything and then come back at as close to 100% as possible.

All at the same time saving the Lakers a ton of cash, and leaving them in a better place cap wise going forward for the next few years.

 

[lakersrule]

It would never had been a mutual decision. No way Kobe would agree to being amnestied, especially figuring that he would be back healthy this season. I have to believe that Kobe is looking good if the front office was willing to resign him before playing a NBA game. They've been watching him in practice so they must feel pretty good about his health going forward.

How would that have left them in a better place cap wise if they turn around and resign him to 2 years/$48 million? They would still have had to pay him his salary. They would save on the luxury tax bill. However, that's not going be a big number this season anyway.

Thinking about it, the argument could be made that amnestying Kobe would have actually cost them more money. Say Dwight resigned knowing Kobe would be amnestied (remember the rumors). Not only would they be paying Kobe's salary, they would be paying Dwight's plus whatever luxury tax bill they get hit with. And they lose the income generating stream that is Kobe Bryant. Dwight is no Kobe in that regard.

 

[ObamaForeverLOL]

The Lakers will in fact be better positioned than the HEAT in 2 years.
It is not even debatable.

The LAKERS will have Kobe as the only player under contract in 2 years.
They will only have 35 million committed next season for that matter.


The HEAT will be saddled with the big contracts of Wade, Bosh, and Haslem.
Those are older players (Bosh) or much older/often injured players (Wade/Haslem).

Unless they lose their freaking minds, there is 0% chance any of them turn down the player options. Bosh, Wade, and Haslem are not that stupid.

They would get paid pennies elsewhere if they opted out. SO, they will take the big Miami money.

That essentially cripples the HEAT until 2017 at the earliest before they can add salary.

LA might not be idea for the future.
But, it looks 10 times better than the disastrous future the HEAT are facing.

The Heat have zero dollars on the book for the 016-017.

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[LAKERSUSCBAM]

Oops it's been 14 years since NY made the finals that it totally escaped my mind....see "irrelevant"

 

[LogicMan]

By 2015 just about every team except thunder, clippers, hornets, heat and lakers could sign two max players. Seems like free agents will receive attractive pay days.

Don't underestimate the Knicks come that timeframe.....they will have the cash

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

But they WON'T be back. Ask any of our detractors...:rollseyes:

Who EVER said that?

Of course at some point the Lakers will be back, but when it happens none of the current players on your roster will be any part of it, so as of now you can file in under the category of pipe dream.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

From Yahoo Sports:

"The only thing you can say is that Bryant probably is stretching it when it comes to the cap room. A player coming in at even $16 million Al Jefferson levels leaves somewhere between $18 million and $30 million to field a roster of 10-12 other individuals. That's kind of hard to do, and that's when one of your stars isn't 36 years old coming off Achilles surgery.
Maybe they'll pull it off, but Bryant and the Lakers have an awful lot of faith in something that doesn't seem to be likely under any reasonable scenario. They're the Lakers -- they usually figure things out, but more than ever, the team and Bryant seem to be operating like it's the old CBA out of spite instead of adapting to the modern situation to reach the championship goals they both say are so important.
Finally, Bryant should really spend less time defending his signing of a contract he was offered and more time celebrating the fact that someone gave him $48.5 million when he has yet to play a game post-injury at 35."

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

From Yahoo Sports:

"The only thing you can say is that Bryant probably is stretching it when it comes to the cap room. A player coming in at even $16 million Al Jefferson levels leaves somewhere between $18 million and $30 million to field a roster of 10-12 other individuals. That's kind of hard to do, and that's when one of your stars isn't 36 years old coming off Achilles surgery.
Maybe they'll pull it off, but Bryant and the Lakers have an awful lot of faith in something that doesn't seem to be likely under any reasonable scenario. They're the Lakers -- they usually figure things out, but more than ever, the team and Bryant seem to be operating like it's the old CBA out of spite instead of adapting to the modern situation to reach the championship goals they both say are so important.
Finally, Bryant should really spend less time defending his signing of a contract he was offered and more time celebrating the fact that someone gave him $48.5 million when he has yet to play a game post-injury at 35."

I'd like to see how the average NBA fan liked having his or hers' salary held up for public scrutiny and dissection. "I'm afraid we can't give you that raise Joe. That extra 30 lbs. your carrying around reduces your productivity and means the companies' insurance premium may go up.

Not to mention those hangovers you come in with every Monday morning after watching NBA TV and swilling Bud and Jagermeister all weekend." If you don't like the coin Kobe's pulling down while the guy mopping his sweat off the floor is making minimum wage, just remember, it's Capitalism baby.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

The Heat have zero dollars on the book for the 016-017.

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and in 15-16 they only have the Big 3 and Cole. Bosh and LBJ will still be in their prime. That right there makes them contenders.

I think they will look to resign some guys and let a lot of them go. Rio, Beasley I think they try to keep, I think they let a lot of them go after this year and rebuild and look for a big.

They may also look to restructure the Big 3s contracts. I would love to see them come back and take $10m each for 4 years over the $40m they each have for 2.

Could you imagine? The Big 3 being signed for $30m giving them another $40m to work with before Luxury? That could be 2 more max salaries!!