Scott Frost on the hot seat?

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Nebraska football: Scott Frost is just a poor man’s Jim Harbaugh

Nebraska football coach Scott Frost should have the Cornhuskers playing better but it’s growing clear he might be the Big Ten West version of Jim Harbaugh.

Scott Frost was supposed to be the guy to get Nebraska football back to a point of national prominence and get the Cornhuskers competing for conference championships and College Football Playoff berths in short order. After a year and a half, it’s clear that there will be no quick fix in Lincoln and the days of Tom Osborne running out 10-win teams without difficulty is long gone.

Similar expectations were had in Ann Arbor where Jim Harbaugh was brought in as the head coach of his alma mater but Michigan is still looking for their first division title under Harbaugh five years later.

Will Frost be the Big Ten West version of Harbaugh and realize that just because you’re coaching at your alma mater, success won’t come easy, or even at all?

It’s quite possible, especially after hitting rock bottom (with Frost) after losing to a 2-6 Purdue. Frost is now 8-13 (3-8 in one-possession games) which makes Mike Riley’s 19-19 tenure look appealing.

I think it is too soon to throw in the Big Red towel on Frost and his ability to coach, recruit and develop talent at Nebraska, but it’s clear tabbing them as preseason Big Ten West favorites was wildly optimistic, not too mention, not smart.

Then again, Frost was there to raise expectations, but so far, he hasn’t delivered on the results.

Compared to Harbaugh, Frost is basically a poor man’s version of the man perpetually on the hot seat.

Think about it, Harbaugh rebuilt Stanford into a perennial power and had built his rosters full of NFL talents like Andrew Luck and an endless supply of tight ends and offensive linemen. He won and he won big in a power conference. He set the program up for sustained success with David Shaw to carry on the legacy of what he built. Before that, he won 29 games, including back-to-back 11-win seasons at San Diego. When’s the last time you heard about San Diego football? That’s right, Harbaugh made them relevant.

Forgetting about what Harbaugh accomplished in the NFL with the 49ers and appearing in a Super Bowl, he’s far more accomplished than Frost was at UCF before getting the Nebraska job.

Look, Frost was outstanding at UCF where he turned around a winless Knights team to an undefeated one that won the Peach Bowl two years later. That is remarkable coaching and it paid off in him getting one of the most prestigious jobs in college football at his alma mater.

It was the right hire then and they shouldn’t have any regrets about Frost being the head coach, but it’s also important to keep things in proper perspective and context. If Harbaugh is a much better coach with a longer resume of results, and he’s struggling to get Michigan to the point that’s satisfactory for the majority of Wolverines fans, then it stands to reason, Nebraska football fans could be experiencing a period where they do some nice things but fall short of doing great things.


That may be okay in the short-term where eight-win seasons can provide a modicum of hope and optimism that the glory days are making a return. But at the same time, getting to eight wins this year is going to be nearly impossible with Wisconsin and Iowa remaining on the schedule.

Losing to Minnesota, Indiana and Purdue is never supposed to happen at Nebraska. Certainly not after hiring one of their own to save the program. Can the Huskers manage to get to six wins to get bowl-eligible? Maybe. When Illinois and Northwestern are the most impressive wins so far, it goes to show you how far Nebraska football has fallen and how far they have yet to go. Making a bowl game, regardless of the result, would be incredibly beneficial for Frost so he can have a few extra weeks of practice with a team that definitely needs it.


Some Michigan fans have grown used to their new normal of third or fourth-place finishes in the division. Could Nebraska fans tolerate that level of mediocrity or will they be calling for Frost’s head this time next year?

They only wish he was their version of Jim Harbaugh; you know, capable of actually winning games. Frost has yet to even go to a bowl game yet.

 

[BigRedMoe]

This song always plays in my head when Iowegians post Nebraska threads.

 

[Thiefery]

And yet one less of any type of championship than Nebraska in that timeframe????

not to rile anyone up.

and a championship appearance.. not to rile anyone up

 

[olympicoscar]

So one less than Nebraska over the same time period?

What has Nebraska done this century? Almost nothing. Texas played in 2 BCS Championships and won, one National Title. They have 1 undefeated season and 3, 1 loss seasons. Nebraska would have had a much better record, if they had stayed in the Big 12, though I do realize not financially.

 

[TheReal_NU]

and a championship appearance.. not to rile anyone up

We got one of those too.

although I would kind of like to forget that game.

 

[TheReal_NU]

What has Nebraska done this century? Almost nothing. Texas played in 2 BCS Championships and won, one National Title. They have 1 undefeated season and 3, 1 loss seasons. Nebraska would have had a much better record, if they had stayed in the Big 12, though I do realize not financially.

not a god damn thing!!!

except one more division championship than Texas since the date you originally stated.

you picked the timeframe. I’m just the messenger.

 

[Wamu]

They only wish he was their version of Jim Harbaugh; you know, capable of actually winning games. Frost has yet to even go to a bowl game yet.

Did you know according to yer pal mNb09 the only thing missing from Harbaugh's resume is beating Ohio State? He thinks having a losing record vs. ranked teams and a losing bowl record don't count towards his coaching resume.

A question. Are you as delusional as mNb09 and think any losses to ranked teams during JH's time in ann arbor don't count?

 

[olympicoscar]

not a god damn thing!!!

except one more division championship than Texas since the date you originally stated.

you picked the timeframe. I’m just the messenger.

As I said, the Big 12 doesn't have division championships.

 

[TheReal_NU]

As I said, the Big 12 doesn't have division championships.

So one less than Nebraska over the same time period?

 

[olympicoscar]

So one less than Nebraska over the same time period?

One less what. Texas can't compete for a division title. However the two top teams in the Big 12 compete for the conference title, and Texas has at least one of those. So we're even.

 

[TheReal_NU]

One less what. Texas can't compete for a division title. However the two top teams in the Big 12 compete for the conference title, and Texas has at least one of those. So we're even.

how does that change my statement?

You’re the one who brought division titles into the conversation.


Even if we allow you to claim a “we’re #2 in our division” attitude, being even with Nebraska over the last few years isn’t really an accomplishment.

 

[olympicoscar]

how does that change my statement?

You’re the one who brought division titles into the conversation.


Even if we allow you to claim a “we’re #2 in our division” attitude, being even with Nebraska over the last few years isn’t really an accomplishment.

Ok, that I can agree with, but if you look at recruiting, we're again running away from you. College bound student's no longer so you as being competitive.

 

[TheReal_NU]

Ok, that I can agree with, but if you look at recruiting, we're again running away from you. College bound student's no longer so you as being competitive.

College bound students can hopefully put together a sentence that doesn’t include “college bound student’s no longer so you”

unless you play football like Vince Young.

 

[olympicoscar]

College bound students can hopefully put together a sentence that doesn’t include “college bound student’s no longer so you”

unless you play football like Vince Young.

It should have read "see" you. My error.

 

[TheReal_NU]

It should have read "see" you. My error.

well now it makes a little more sense.

although how a student could possess a “no longer” still confuses me.

 

[olympicoscar]

well now it makes a little more sense.

although how a student could possess a “no longer” still confuses me.

College bound students no longer view Nebraska as being competitive or relevant. Once they were relevant, but things have changed.

 

[TheReal_NU]

College bound students no longer view Nebraska as being competitive or relevant. Once they were relevant, but things have changed.

 

[GhostRiderRushville]

Did I mention this is a stupid thread?…probably not .... my bad

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Michigan still has about 5 times the population of Nebraska. Easier to recruit the 500 mile radius from Ann Arbor. They have New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Virginia,. Nebraska has Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, Kansas, Iowa, Missouri. I believe the State of New York has the same population as Nebraska does in its 500 mile radius.

Mike Riley did it with Pelini recruits. Riley's first year he proved his incompetence. The second year, the seniors of the team took over(all Pelini recruits), they did not care what Riley said. That team went 9-4.

Riley's final year proved he was incompetent and proved the athletic director(Shawn Eichorst, aka milquetoast) meddled too much. Bo Pelini HATED, with a lot of passion, Shawn Eichorst.

Scott Frost had to come in with Mike Riley recruits. Last year's offensive line were 4 of 5 starters were Riley recruits. Mike Riley did give Frost Spielman, but Spielman has transferred out. Last year's defense was all Riley except for two Pelini recruits that were red shirt seniors and they both were drafted and one grad transfer that was Frost.

Now, most of the team is Frost. The Oline is the exact same, all Riley recruits with one Frost recruit. All skill positions are now Frost recruits.

Frost is now getting to the point of taking some heat. But he STILL has some Riley recruits.

That is my excuse, and I am sticking with it.

It isn't an excuse when it is true. Tried telling Nebraska fans before -- changing to the B1G was a huge mistake.
Nebraska has nothing to sell recruits on. They don't have national rivals like they had in the Big 8 (XII), when they had games with Texas and Oklahoma.
They recruited well in the West and Southwest in the past, but now their away games are played in the Midwest, so that isn't helping with recruits in Texas and Cali.
They don't have the academics to sell recruits on, they have the lowest ranked academics in the B1G.
They don't have in state talent or talent in the surrounding states.

They may win a division title here or there in the B1G West, but being a national power isn't happening in today's CFB.

 

[Thiefery]

It isn't an excuse when it is true. Tried telling Nebraska fans before -- changing to the B1G was a huge mistake.
Nebraska has nothing to sell recruits on. They don't have national rivals like they had in the Big 8 (XII), when they had games with Texas and Oklahoma.
They recruited well in the West and Southwest in the past, but now their away games are played in the Midwest, so that isn't helping with recruits in Texas and Cali.
They don't have the academics to sell recruits on, they have the lowest ranked academics in the B1G.
They don't have in state talent or talent in the surrounding states.

They may win a division title here or there in the B1G West, but being a national power isn't happening in today's CFB.

They would welcome Texas and ou in the B16?