Russell Wilson: 'Great Potential' Next Contract Is Biggest in NFL History

[Jikkle]

This situation will be interesting to watch because out of all 32 teams the Seahawks place the least value and are the least wanting to pay a QB top money.

Carroll has made it pretty clear with the Schottenheimer hire and the fact that you have a top tier QB but you had the fewest pass attempts and second most rushing attempts that he wants to ground and pound on offense, play great defense, and have a QB protect the ball and make enough throws to keep the chains moving. Carroll does not want to pay Wilson top QB money to have the fewest attempts in the league and he'd much rather spread that money around and have a stronger overall roster.

So the question becomes does he grit his teeth and pay Wilson knowing he'd get roasted for not paying him and moving on from him, play the franchise tag game a couple of years where Wilson would be 33 entering the 2022 and be easier to move on from him, or does he trade him next offseason for a massive haul of picks to further build the roster.

Will depend on Wilson and how insistent he'll be in wanting to be the top paid QB in the league. My guess if Wilson sticks to that demand the Hawks will tag him 2 years and then tag him year 3 and trade him.

 

[chf]

Oh good grief. Carroll's MO is to run the ball yes. It's ALSO to make big chunk plays off play action. Wilson throws a great deep ball. IF he can get time to throw it.

 

[Anointed One]

This situation will be interesting to watch because out of all 32 teams the Seahawks place the least value and are the least wanting to pay a QB top money.

Carroll has made it pretty clear with the Schottenheimer hire and the fact that you have a top tier QB but you had the fewest pass attempts and second most rushing attempts that he wants to ground and pound on offense, play great defense, and have a QB protect the ball and make enough throws to keep the chains moving. Carroll does not want to pay Wilson top QB money to have the fewest attempts in the league and he'd much rather spread that money around and have a stronger overall roster.

So the question becomes does he grit his teeth and pay Wilson knowing he'd get roasted for not paying him and moving on from him, play the franchise tag game a couple of years where Wilson would be 33 entering the 2022 and be easier to move on from him, or does he trade him next offseason for a massive haul of picks to further build the roster.

Will depend on Wilson and how insistent he'll be in wanting to be the top paid QB in the league. My guess if Wilson sticks to that demand the Hawks will tag him 2 years and then tag him year 3 and trade him.

Word is that Pete will retire after the end of his new extension that ends 2021... He'll be 70 years old at that time... If that is true, I can't see him wanting to start over basically with a new QB when the one that he has, has helped Pete and CO be as successful as they have been... My guess is that RW will get paid and they will be all in while making a very strong run the next 3 years w/ RW as their QB...

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Sounds like Russ has given the FO a deadline of April 15th to get a deal done. Interesting.

 

[Anointed One]

Sounds like Russ has given the FO a deadline of April 15th to get a deal done. Interesting.

It's on national sports talk radio shows everywhere... They're saying the Hawks should seek out (3) 1st round picks and trade him...

 

[JMR]

Peyton Manning and Drew Brees are the only 2 HOF level QBs who changed teams anywhere close to their prime in the salary cap era. Both were coming off serious injuries, and their teams used a top pick on a replacement.

There are only 2 types of teams in the NFL: those with franchise QBs, and those who are trying to find one. The teams in the first category don't purposely make moves that cause them to transition to the second category. RW is not going anywhere until he's closer to 40 than 30, if at all.

 

[WizardHawk]

Doubt he gets traded. They have 3 more years? Finish this year and two tags the next two. He's worth more in a trade now, but the team don't be worth much without him.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

It's on national sports talk radio shows everywhere... They're saying the Hawks should seek out (3) 1st round picks and trade him...

We know it's easy for the national sports radio guys say trade him for three firsts but franchise QBs don't grow on trees. Pay him and keep on building the D and the SB window stays open for many more years.

 

[WizardHawk]

We know it's easy for the national sports radio guys say trade him for three firsts but franchise QBs don't grow on trees. Pay him and keep on building the D and the SB window stays open for many more years.

Does it though? Look at rogers. The years they were SB caliber he wasn't making much. After his salary ballooned they became mediocre.

The Seahawks reached their SB's with a QB that wasn't making much and had the money to go get free agents to fill in holes.

Of course I'm not suggesting they need to trade him, but if he makes $35m/yr + I wouldn't say they have a SB window with as thin as they will leave themselves in payroll. And yes, the ability to pick up one or two free agents of higher caliber does make that kind of difference to a deep playoff run

 

[MrS]

Miami hasnt had a QB since marino
buffalo since kelly

we never really had one until russell. do we really want to let him go and/or trade him and take our chances at being lost in the QB wilderness for a generation?

 

[The Oldtimer]

Oh good grief. Carroll's MO is to run the ball yes. It's ALSO to make big chunk plays off play action. Wilson throws a great deep ball. IF he can get time to throw it.

Yes, "if Wilson can get the time to throw it".

 

[The Oldtimer]

Miami hasnt had a QB since marino
buffalo since kelly

we never really had one until russell. do we really want to let him go and/or trade him and take our chances at being lost in the QB wilderness for a generation?

I agree even if the Hawks had Hasselbeck and Krieg in the past, they were no Wilson.

 

[Screamin12th]

Miami hasnt had a QB since marino
buffalo since kelly

we never really had one until russell. do we really want to let him go and/or trade him and take our chances at being lost in the QB wilderness for a generation?

Nah, Hasselbeck was listed as a top 5 QB for a couple seasons, But he was also no Wilson when it comes to moving around. Wilson is awesome but lets not blow off what Hasselbeck and Krieg did for this team. Dave Krieg was top 10 in EVERY passing stat in NFL history when he retired. Bad QB's didn't do that when they were playing in the 80-90's and he out dueled Elway MANY times. When Dave Krieg was hot he was the Best QB in the league and it wasn't even close. But he was always to up and down. ( Hot and cold ) . Hasselbeck was a great QB and man he threw a beautiful ball. You hardly saw a ball that didn't have a tight spiral come out of his hands, just like Wilson.

Now yeah they are no Russ but come on, Russell some times is in the argument as top 1-2 QB in the League, Thats not fair to those other guys.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Does it though? Look at rogers. The years they were SB caliber he wasn't making much. After his salary ballooned they became mediocre.

The Seahawks reached their SB's with a QB that wasn't making much and had the money to go get free agents to fill in holes.

Of course I'm not suggesting they need to trade him, but if he makes $35m/yr + I wouldn't say they have a SB window with as thin as they will leave themselves in payroll. And yes, the ability to pick up one or two free agents of higher caliber does make that kind of difference to a deep playoff run

The problem in GB is they haven't drafted well on the defensive side of the ball. Rodgers can put up 30 but that D hasn't been very good so they've kind of wasted a top talent at QB. PC/JS I trust to draft the players they need on D which has proven to us they can become a solid group of players.

 

[WizardHawk]

The problem in GB is they haven't drafted well on the defensive side of the ball. Rodgers can put up 30 but that D hasn't been very good so they've kind of wasted a top talent at QB. PC/JS I trust to draft the players they need on D which has proven to us they can become a solid group of players.

He's also been injury prone and killed at least one solid season with his broken collar bones.

Still, serious question here. Has the highest paid QB in the league ever won the SB in a year they were the highest paid?

Just feels like pro football is a sport where you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can either have the highest paid player, or take your chances with a lesser paid QB and stronger guys around him and go for a title.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

He's also been injury prone and killed at least one solid season with his broken collar bones.

Still, serious question here. Has the highest paid QB in the league ever won the SB in a year they were the highest paid?

Just feels like pro football is a sport where you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can either have the highest paid player, or take your chances with a lesser paid QB and stronger guys around him and go for a title.

I'm not 100% sure if the top paying QB has won a SB but the market price of the franchise QB keeps going up and there's no way around it. Wentz and Goff will probably get more in a year or two and KC will have to have a mega deal once Patty Maholms is up in a few years. What will help is the cap continues to go up every year providing some relief and who knows what else once the new CBA has been agreed on.

Sadly only the Pats can have their cake and eat it since their QB doesn't take market value contract while everybody else has to scramble.

 

[blstoker]

Since 2013, the highest paid QB in the NFL (against the cap) has gone 46-49 in the regular season and 0-1 in the playoffs. Super Bowl winning QBs have not accounted for more than 12.21% of the total cap of their team, and average 7.45%.

Since the salary cap era began, no QB earning more than 13.1% of the cap has won the Super Bowl - Steve Young in 1994. Turns out, that was abnormal. Only 7 Super Bowl winners out of the last 26 have earned as much as 10%, just about 1/4. Only Tom Brady has been able to win 2 Super Bowls while making 10% or more of their team's cap.

Now, if Russell wants to win another Super Bowl, the numbers say he needs to leave about $10 million a year on the table and go for a contract closer to $25 million a year. If it's about milking the money - then getting $35 million a year should be what he's looking for.

Super Bowl Winners:

1994 - Steve Young - 13.1%
1995 - Troy Aikman - 6.7%
1996 - Brett Favre - 10.2%
1997 - John Elway - 5.2%
1998 - John Elway - 5.0%
1999 - Kurt Warner - 1.3%
2000 - Trent Dilfer - 1.6%
2001 - Tom Brady - 0.5%
2002 - Brad Johnson - 9.6%
2003 - Tom Brady - 4.4%
2004 - Tom Brady - 6.3%
2005 - Ben Roethlisberger - 4.9%
2006 - Peyton Manning - 10.4%
2007 - Eli Manning - 9.2%
2008 - Ben Roethlisberger - 6.8%
2009 - Drew Brees - 8.3%
2011 - Eli Manning - 11.7%
2021 - Joe Flacco - 6.6%
2013 - Russell Wilson - 0.5%
2014 - Tom Brady - 10.6%
2015 - Peyton Manning - 11.7%
2016 - Tom Brady - 8.6%
2017 - Nick Foles - 0.9%
2018 - Tom Brady - 12.2%

 

[WizardHawk]

Well done stoke. I know I had read something along those lines a couple of years back.

Just to be clear though, you still pay him even if he wants $35m/yr+ and it limits your payroll. Catching lightning in a bottle a second time with a young unproven first contract guy with his ability is a huge ask and one not likely to pan out a second time.

 

[Screamin12th]

so what is it, like 3-4 franchise type talent at QB's come out every 10 years? Yeah you just got to pay for it if you got one. Or sit back and hope you are one of those 3-4 franchises that finds a franchise QB in that 10 year time frame.

Pay him because you might go 10+ years before you find, if you ever do, another franchise QB.

 

[JMR]

Since 2013, the highest paid QB in the NFL (against the cap) has gone 46-49 in the regular season and 0-1 in the playoffs. Super Bowl winning QBs have not accounted for more than 12.21% of the total cap of their team, and average 7.45%.

Since the salary cap era began, no QB earning more than 13.1% of the cap has won the Super Bowl - Steve Young in 1994. Turns out, that was abnormal. Only 7 Super Bowl winners out of the last 26 have earned as much as 10%, just about 1/4. Only Tom Brady has been able to win 2 Super Bowls while making 10% or more of their team's cap.

Now, if Russell wants to win another Super Bowl, the numbers say he needs to leave about $10 million a year on the table and go for a contract closer to $25 million a year. If it's about milking the money - then getting $35 million a year should be what he's looking for.

Super Bowl Winners:

1994 - Steve Young - 13.1%
1995 - Troy Aikman - 6.7%
1996 - Brett Favre - 10.2%
1997 - John Elway - 5.2%
1998 - John Elway - 5.0%
1999 - Kurt Warner - 1.3%
2000 - Trent Dilfer - 1.6%
2001 - Tom Brady - 0.5%
2002 - Brad Johnson - 9.6%
2003 - Tom Brady - 4.4%
2004 - Tom Brady - 6.3%
2005 - Ben Roethlisberger - 4.9%
2006 - Peyton Manning - 10.4%
2007 - Eli Manning - 9.2%
2008 - Ben Roethlisberger - 6.8%
2009 - Drew Brees - 8.3%
2011 - Eli Manning - 11.7%
2021 - Joe Flacco - 6.6%
2013 - Russell Wilson - 0.5%
2014 - Tom Brady - 10.6%
2015 - Peyton Manning - 11.7%
2016 - Tom Brady - 8.6%
2017 - Nick Foles - 0.9%
2018 - Tom Brady - 12.2%

Effort applauded and appreciated for sure.

And given all that, NFL teams *still* pay the QBs and do their best to put the necessary pieces around them to compete for a title vs let them get away and try to do it on the cheap at that position. And nearly every year, the teams that the "experts" think will contend are primarily those with the top QBs (not all of them are making big money, but most are).