Rosen News

[Stymietee]

Shefter reported on his podcast that the leading contenders for Rosen are the Giants, Dolphins, and Chargers. At the minimum the Chargers late 1st and the Giants and Dolphins 2nd round pick trumps our 2nd.

I am an admitted Cooley "mark" when it comes to player evaluation. He's been right too many times in the past. He has basically been saying for a month or two that Haskins is gonna be a bust.

It's looking like he might be there at 15
Cooley being down on him scares me.

No worries man, If Haskins is a bust, he'll be named as an honorary member of the New Spurrier Club whose new members (Haskins, Keenum and McCoy) will rival its' previous members ( Ramsey, Wuerffel and Matthews)

BTW: I'm going to disagree with Cooley on this one, unless they mishandle him for the sake of putting more asses in seats by playing him too quickly, Haskins will be counted as one of the better leaders in the organization's history!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

No worries man, If Haskins is a bust, he'll be named as an honorary member of the New Spurrier Club whose new members (Haskins, Keenum and McCoy) will rival its' previous members ( Ramsey, Wuerffel and Matthews)

BTW: I'm going to disagree with Cooley on this one, unless they mishandle him for the sake of putting more asses in seats by playing him too quickly, Haskins will be counted as one of the better leaders in the organization's history!

NFL.com Draft 2018 - NFL Draft History: Full Draft Year

I hope that you are not suggesting that the Skins need to keep Haskins (or any highly drafted QB) on the bench for most/all of his 1st season. That flat just doesn't happen in this era in the NFL & for numerous reasons (it is not all about the live gate which frankly doesn't mean all that much in today's NFL).

Take a look at all NFL QBs drafted in the 1st rd over the last 5+ years. They were pretty much made starters if not at the beginning of the season then shortly thereafter. This isn't the 90s - young QBs are too much of a commodity to not play them rt away. Their value comes early when they make relatively little. They can only justify getting big $$ after they prove themselves on the field & the only way for that to happen is to get more snaps.

Perhaps you are not suggesting this. In any case - any QB drafted in the early 1st rd by the Skins (or just about any team) will be a starter likely by midseason. He is not going to spend an entire season riding the pine.

 

[kbso83432]

Gruden doesn't want Haskins. He on record saying Haskins is gonna take time. He is also on record saying that he wants someone that can make an immediate impact at 15.

Haskins went to school with Snyder's son and they are good friends.

If they take Haskins at 15 they will say a lot about how they feel toward Gruden. I'm sure they are down Gruden anyway, but Allen and Snyder have yet to get a QB right. Cousins was Shanahan.

 

[kbso83432]

I hope Haskins can play, because right now my money is on them taking him if he's there.

 

[skinsdad62]

as long as we dont trade up for him

 

[Stymietee]

NFL.com Draft 2018 - NFL Draft History: Full Draft Year

I hope that you are not suggesting that the Skins need to keep Haskins (or any highly drafted QB) on the bench for most/all of his 1st season. That flat just doesn't happen in this era in the NFL & for numerous reasons (it is not all about the live gate which frankly doesn't mean all that much in today's NFL).

Take a look at all NFL QBs drafted in the 1st rd over the last 5+ years. They were pretty much made starters if not at the beginning of the season then shortly thereafter. This isn't the 90s - young QBs are too much of a commodity to not play them rt away. Their value comes early when they make relatively little. They can only justify getting big $$ after they prove themselves on the field & the only way for that to happen is to get more snaps.

Perhaps you are not suggesting this. In any case - any QB drafted in the early 1st rd by the Skins (or just about any team) will be a starter likely by midseason. He is not going to spend an entire season riding the pine.

I most certainly am suggesting this! So let's dispel the myths from the facts. Sitting whether it's one game or all 16 has value even today. It's all a matter of perspective. Here are the facts from 2007 to 2013:
First-round QBs from 2007 to 2013


Player ... Draft... Day 1 starter?
JaMarcus Russell... 2007 Raiders... NO*
Brady Quinn... 2007 Browns... NO
Matt Ryan... 2008 Falcons... YES
Joe Flacco... 2008 Ravens... YES
Matthew Stafford... 2009 Lions... YES
Mark Sanchez... 2009 NY Jets... YES
Josh Freeman... 2009 Tampa Bay... NO*
Sam Bradford... 2010 Rams... YES
Tim Tebow... 2010 Denver... NO*
Cam Newton... 2011 Panthers... YES
Jake Locker... 2011 Titans... NO
Blaine Gabbert... 2011 Jaguars... NO*
Christian Ponder... 2011 Vikings... NO*
Andrew Luck... 2012 Colts... YES
Robert Griffin III... 2012 Washington... YES
Ryan Tannehill... 2012 Miami... YES
Brandon Weedon... 2012 Cleveland... YES
E J Manuel... 2013 Buffalo... YES



* Started at some point during rookie season. (Almost all gained starts because of injury to starter or poor play)


Now from 2013 to the present:


Blake Bortles... 2014 Jacksonville... YES
Johnny Manziel... 2014 Cleveland... NO*
Teddy Bridgewater...2014 Minnesota... NO*
Marcus Mariota... 2015 Titans... YES
Jared Goff... 2016 Rams... NO*
Carson Wentz... 2016 Eagles... NO*
Paxton Lynch... 2016 Denver... NO*
Mitchell Trubisky... 2017 Chicago... NO*
Patrick Mahomes... 2017 Kansas City... NO
Deshaun Watson... 2017 Houston... NO*
Baker Mayfield... 2018 Cleveland... NO*
Sam Darnold... 2018 NY Jets... YES
Josh Allen... 2018 Buffalo... NO*
Josh Rosen... 2018 Arizona... NO*
Lamar Jackson... 2018 Baltimore... NO*

 

[skinsdad62]

With colt suffering a setback again that scenario might not play out

 

[Stymietee]

NFL.com Draft 2018 - NFL Draft History: Full Draft Year

I hope that you are not suggesting that the Skins need to keep Haskins (or any highly drafted QB) on the bench for most/all of his 1st season. That flat just doesn't happen in this era in the NFL & for numerous reasons (it is not all about the live gate which frankly doesn't mean all that much in today's NFL).

Take a look at all NFL QBs drafted in the 1st rd over the last 5+ years. They were pretty much made starters if not at the beginning of the season then shortly thereafter. This isn't the 90s - young QBs are too much of a commodity to not play them rt away. Their value comes early when they make relatively little. They can only justify getting big $$ after they prove themselves on the field & the only way for that to happen is to get more snaps.

Perhaps you are not suggesting this. In any case - any QB drafted in the early 1st rd by the Skins (or just about any team) will be a starter likely by midseason. He is not going to spend an entire season riding the pine.

Then there's this:

Start or sit: Which is better for NFL rookie franchise QB ...
www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/list/nfl-rookie-quarterbacks-start-sit...
Start or sit: Which is better for NFL rookie franchise QB? nfl August 20, 2018 9:30am EDT August 20, 2018 9:28am EDT You just drafted a franchise quarterback; should you start him or let him sit ...

 

[countryroads316]

If Keenum or McCoy is starting then his ass will be fired by the end of the season

 

[Stymietee]

Barring an already made deal, today is the last day that Arizona can maximize trade value for Rosen. If there's no deal by COB today they will be forced to take a greatly reduced offer for him. In that event they are likely to keep him and either take Bosa or trade down for more picks. I wonder if there's any team willing to trade up for the #1 spot?

 

[Sportster 72]

Sty, there could be a bidding war for Rosen right up to and after the Cardinals pick. There is no reason why they can't be on the phone with two or three teams while they are on the clock.

If the Cards take Bosa then of course the trade is off for Rosen and then turns to whether Oakland will stay at 4 or be willing to trade the pick to a team that wants Murray.

 

[kbso83432]

So the Giants are out of the Rosen sweepstakes.

 

[countryroads316]

JOSH ROSENQB, ARIZONA CARDINALS

NBC Sports Washington's J.P. Finlay reports the Redskins "will be in the hunt" to trade for Josh Rosen.
Momentum had cooled on all Rosen-to-Washington talks of late, but the Skins are reportedly on the prowl again now that the Cards officially drafted Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray No. 1 overall. The Redskins will undoubtedly be competing with the Chargers, Dolphins, and Giants to acquire Rosen once all first-round dominoes fall. As it stands, the Arizona Republic's Kent Somers noted Arizona doesn't currently have a deal in place.

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• Miami Dolphins
• , New York Giants
• , Los Angeles Chargers
• , Washington Redskins

SOURCE: NBC Sports Washington
Apr 25, 2019, 8:57 PM

 

[skinz2winz]

Offer a 3rd, take it or leave it...

 

[skinz2winz]

Offer a 3rd, take it or leave it...

 

[kbso83432]

It's looking like Haskins.