Redskins' Kirk Cousins: Still far apart on extension terms

[Ruzious]

Because both of them are...............tall.

The comparison to Campbell wasn't so bad. The opinion that JC was better than Bridgewater was what made me go hmmm. In Campbell's defense, Joe Gibbs, at least the 2.0 version, may not of been the best HC for Campbell to have.

Far as what comes out of Redskins Park where reporting is concerned. I'm sure a lotta shit gets made up by reporters and the like. But it seems there is nothing said at Redskins Park that can be trusted. I don't blame reporters for that. I lay that at the feet of the lying ass Redskins front office.

Fwiw, my opinion on Campbell was he had wayyyy too slow a release to make it - no matter who coached him. Maybe another coach could have gotten him to throw downfield on more than one in a thousand throws and be a little more decisive, but I remember Gibbs saying after one of those games where Jason just refused to go downfield, "Yeah, we had 5 or 6 plays called to go deep, and none of them were executed." It was rare for Gibbs to publicly admit frustration with a player. Bridgewater's like 3 inches shorter, was much more of a fiery leader type, didn't have that problem with the slow release, didn't have the great arm that JC had. They were both late 1st rounders, but they're just not similar type QB's.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Whether the deal gets done or not, my opinion that Bruce Allen is a liar won't change.

 

[j_y19]

Whether the deal gets done or not, my opinion that Bruce Allen is a liar won't change.

Your opinion is actually a fact. Bruce Allen is a liar. That was proven with the whole SM is taking time off for his grandmother's death fiasco. That was clearly proven to be a lie.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I still seeing a deal getting done before next season. I have never wavered on this position, the team feels no urgency as he is signed through this season.

 

[j_y19]

I still seeing a deal getting done before next season. I have never wavered on this position, the team feels no urgency as he is signed through this season.

Boy, I wish I had your optimism. You do realize that any deal has to be done by 7/15 of this year? If reports are true (and that is a big if) then they are far apart. I don't see KC budging much, he has no reason to. That means that the team has to come to meet his demands. If they dont get a deal by 7/15, then all bets are off. His agent will clearly advise KC to test FA next year even if the skins come up with a great offer. Why would't he? And once he hits FA, then all bets are off.

The only way that Allen looks half way competent in this whole mess is if KC actually has a bad year (assuming they don't sign him before 7/15). Then he can say "I told you so". But I just don't see him having that poor of a year that Allen can ever be exonerated in this fiasco.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Explain why the player is automatically gone if they don't reach a deal before 7/15. I really do not understand that part.

 

[j_y19]

Well, I never said he was automatically gone (I assume your question was addressed to me), but if they don't reach a deal by 7/15, then he has to play under the tag this year. He automatically becomes a FA at the end of the year unless the Skins place the transition tag on him, which is highly unlikely. The cost will be somewhere around $30M is the last figure I saw. If he becomes a FA, then we are just another bidder for his services. I believe that he holds hurt feelings for the lack of respect he has received from the front office through this process and I don't blame him. The offers they have come up with are almost insulting considering his play the last 2 years. So consequently i believe that he will be eager to shop his wares elsewhere and it his probable that we will lose him in FA next year.

 

[skinsdad62]

A transition tag is highly likely if a deal doesn't happen it's the best option

 

[deanpet21]

I agree if KC has a great year then the transition tag will be placed on him and we can match any offer. IMO I don't see a deal done before 7/15. KC is going to bet on himself again. Which is fine makes him more motivated to have a great year.

I do believe that if KC has a great year and we are a playoff team Danny will do whatever it takes to sign KC to a long term deal. The real issue would be if KC has an average year and the team goes 8-8 and misses the playoffs. The transition tag will still be placed on him but who knows if the Skins would match the offer from another team. If that offer in 2018 is the highest paid QB in the nfl above the Stafford and Carr deals then they might let him walk.

Bottom line here is that this year is huge for KC and the Redskins. Winning solves everything.

 

[Sharkinva]

Explain why the player is automatically gone if they don't reach a deal before 7/15. I really do not understand that part.

I will take a swing at this.

He isnt automatically gone. But lets be honest. There are only five real outcomes if Kirk plays on the tag.

1. He improves... in which case his price goes up and we cant afford him. Gone

2. He stays about where he is, the team lowballs him again. Gone

3. The team falters, its determined that he either regressed, or didnt improve enough to justify his price tag. Gone

4. The team tags him again, in which case he either signs elsewhere or plays another year on the tag.

5. The team resigns him to a long term deal next year, at what will seem like a kings ransom unless the team actually wins or gets close to a Super bowl.

3 out of five options lead to Kirk being gone if he plays on the tag.

1 out of five options leads to him playing on some sort of tag again and leaving in 2019.

the fifth option leads to Kirk getting even more money, which unless he wins a superbowl... people will say he was over paid.

 

[skinsdad62]

They will to extract compensation from the team signing him . And 8- 8 might not be on KC , if the defense fails to improve and KC 's numbers are about the same who knows ?

I see 2 scapegoats being developed here

 

[Ruzious]

Assuming the Skins have an 8-8 season with Cousins putting up similar numbers, are people going to be happy with the Skins signing him for the biggest deal in NFL history?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Assuming the Skins have an 8-8 season with Cousins putting up similar numbers, are people going to be happy with the Skins signing him for the biggest deal in NFL history?

There are too many factors at play to be able to answer that question. Let's say that they have catastrophic injuries throughout the team (e.g. several O lineman get hurt, Kerrigan and/or Norman get hurt & several other players miss the bulk of the season). In that case 8-8 is not that bad & the blame cannot be put on Cousins.

Not sure about the biggest deal in NFL history (& I don't think that Cousins has ever demanded this) but if he did very well - sure - I would not have a big issue with them giving him a huge deal.

Now say he has similar numbers to this season, falls short again in 2-3 big games & the defense improves tremendously. Well - that may be a different matter. We will see.

 

[deanpet21]

There are too many factors at play to be able to answer that question. Let's say that they have catastrophic injuries throughout the team (e.g. several O lineman get hurt, Kerrigan and/or Norman get hurt & several other players miss the bulk of the season). In that case 8-8 is not that bad & the blame cannot be put on Cousins.

Not sure about the biggest deal in NFL history (& I don't think that Cousins has ever demanded this) but if he did very well - sure - I would not have a big issue with them giving him a huge deal.

Now say he has similar numbers to this season, falls short again in 2-3 big games & the defense improves tremendously. Well - that may be a different matter. We will see.

I have a question for you. Who do you blame for the Giants loss in the last game of the year?

 

[Sharkinva]

I have a question for you. Who do you blame for the Giants loss in the last game of the year?

Actually... Moses for losing contain on the DE. This cause Kirk to need to force a bad throw. Now should Kirk have just taken the sack?? Probably. But he threw the pick because he rushed the throw. He rushed the throw because he had the DE right in his face. He had the DE in his face because the greatest RT ever to play the game blew contain and gave his man a kings escort right to the QB... because he was getting blown off the ball.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I've been with Dad throughout this, I just can't see them letting him walk. I too think the transaction tag would work to retain his rights and to let the market get set by our competitors. But for some reason it's never used.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Assuming the Skins have an 8-8 season with Cousins putting up similar numbers, are people going to be happy with the Skins signing him for the biggest deal in NFL history?

Probably. Because it will be the biggest deal in the league for a month, until David Carr's deal is signed. Soon it will be the 4th biggest and in 5 years it will be middle of the pack for good starting QBs.

 

[Sharkinva]

I've been with Dad throughout this, I just can't see them letting him walk. I too think the transaction tag would work to retain his rights and to let the market get set by our competitors. But for some reason it's never used.

Its never used because it comes with zero compensation. If they let him hit FA, and then they decide to match or beat another teams offer, fine. If they dont they at least get a 3rd rounder for him.

If they use the trans tag, and then dont match.. they get nothing in return.

Personally I think we lose him because Bruce cant accept that he and Dan were wrong.

So unless Kirk puts up elite numbers, and the team does well..... we are going to lose him.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I have a question for you. Who do you blame for the Giants loss in the last game of the year?

Even if Cousins did cost them the last game - so what? QBs make mistakes - sometime huge ones - and it happens to even the best of them. I already stated in another post that Cousins has to improve in terms of winning clutch games. I thought I also made this clear in the post that you responded to - did you not read my last paragraph?

That being the case - why is it not possible for Cousins to improve in this area. Beyond that an improved overall team could also likely mean a better season where a loss like this will not be catastrophic.

 

[reptec101]

KC is gone after this year regardless... u can bank it... I promise you all he's not a Redskin this time next year. He doesn't want to play for a team anymore who continually has to see more of him.. to be sure. When he see's other QB's getting signed with big deals who have done nothing and he who has set every Redskin record there is and the team just isn't sure yet, or just unwilling to pay what some other team would gladly pay I again can promise you he doesnt want to play for this organization anymore. If the team is stupid enough to give him an exclusive tag he will laugh his way to the bank, but his heart won't be here,,, any other tag he is gone.

I sincerely believe BA wants him to fail this year to help his cause, and save him some embarrassment. Remember, to him this sport is a business. He is not thinking about you and I sitting on the couch cheering our sundays away. Having hope he is here next year is fools gold... don't waste your time.

If he signs long term here I will gladly say I knew nothing... but trust me. I know what's in the mind of people. For three years now I've watched this thing play out. From benching RG3 to SM firing to just not getting a deal done. If it was gonna happen don't you think it would have happened already. Be sensible.