politics thread

[Sharkinva]

yeah also in the eyes of some Kirk Cousins the white QB sucks because he took the job from RG3 the black QB

For record out of college I wanted Kaep. He could throw the ball a mile, was athletic, extremely productive at Nevada with our training camp hero Marko Mitchell, and most importantly to me he killed the wonderlic. Everyone has the right to change their opinion. At first Kaep looked awesome and my opinion was justified. Now with NFL defenses catching up he looked like the worst starting QB in the NFL by a lot his last season playing and my opinion has changed.

You are right, some people did think that in reference to Cousins and RG3. And I by and large thought those people were clueless.

Huge difference here is that Cousins, by virtue of his genetic make up wouldnt be likely to get stopped and asked who's car he stole for driving a nice car at night. RG3 gets stopped in the wrong part of Georgia, and its on.

My take is this.. Kaep was black listed last year, not because of his on field play, but because of his political stance. He is still being black listed for the same stance, as is Reid.

People can scream how its race baiting and such, but the truth is they were attempting to bring real light to what should be a valid concern for ALL Americans in this country. And Im sorry but asking things like.. well havent race relations improved is really just seen as a dodge. An attempt to white wash the fact that by and large people are still prejudged far too often by our police and legal system because of their race.

 

[Skins2021]

You are right, some people did think that in reference to Cousins and RG3. And I by and large thought those people were clueless.

People can scream how its race baiting and such, but the truth is they were attempting to bring real light to what should be a valid concern for ALL Americans in this country. And Im sorry but asking things like.. well havent race relations improved is really just seen as a dodge. An attempt to white wash the fact that by and large people are still prejudged far too often by our police and legal system because of their race.

yeah they are idiots...

In the other thread/topic when I asked if race relations have improved over the last 10 years it was meant to be a rhetorical question. I should have been more clear but the answer I was seeking is that it has gotten worse, which my rebuttal was going to be media, jemele hill types, obama/holder to an extent fanning racial flames making it worse, creating division, and in some instances creating racism and prejudice that didnt exist prior.

My issue is everything, topic, and event gets tied up with a nice little bow when they all need to be looked at separately with independent conclusions drawn.

I also take issue with the fact that there only seems to be 1 way to improve race relations in the United States. Jemele Hill and her rhetoric does not help out the community whatsoever IMO, in fact I think it sets it back. Candace Owens, who I by and large agree with, does.

 

[Ruzious]

maybe they also looked past his stats and to the game tape.... hes in your division. he was really really really bad his final season.

shit blaine gabbert got the nod over him a few times

What are you ____s talking about? I'm not even a fan of his as a QB or his politics, but his play was at least adequate. He did have a QB rating of 90.7 with 16 TD's/4 ints. He wasn't anything special, but trying to make out that he was terrible is stupid. Based solely on his play, he should be in the NFL - but I don't blame NFL teams for not signing him because of the potential distractions.

 

[Skins2021]

"People can scream how its race baiting and such, but the truth is they were attempting to bring real light to what should be a valid concern for ALL Americans in this country. And Im sorry but asking things like.. well havent race relations improved is really just seen as a dodge. An attempt to white wash the fact that by and large people are still prejudged far too often by our police and legal system because of their race."

What is your take on racial profiling?

At an airport?
In the "hood"? (ive been a "victim" of racial profiling here a few times. White teenager driving through Patterson NJ. Pulled over because it was assumed I was there to buy drugs which is a fair assumption. I was there to buy alcohol underage)
On an interstate highway?

 

[Skins2021]

What are you ____s talking about? I'm not even a fan of his as a QB or his politics, but his play was at least adequate. He did have a QB rating of 90.7 with 16 TD's/4 ints. He wasn't anything special, but trying to make out that he was terrible is stupid. Based solely on his play, he should be in the NFL - but I don't blame NFL teams for not signing him because of the potential distractions.

dude his stats dont tell the story. His team was 2-14. He was benched for Blaine Gabbert at various points. He is 3-16 over his last 19 games.... QBs are out of the league for records like that all the time.

he was 1 of the most overmatched qbs I have seen since the horrific Ryan Lindley vs Mark Sanchez game.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story...uffalo-stats-career-highlights-fantasy-101116

 

[Sharkinva]

In the other thread/topic when I asked if race relations have improved over the last 10 years it was meant to be a rhetorical question. I should have been more clear but the answer I was seeking is that it has gotten worse, which my rebuttal was going to be media, jemele hill types, obama/holder to an extent fanning racial flames making it worse, creating division, and in some instances creating racism and prejudice that didnt exist prior.

My thought on race relations is about like mold in the walls. Just because one doesnt see it, does not mean its gotten better.

Has it gotten worse?? Not really. If anything some of the long standing prejudices just arent as openly expressed because it is no longer politically correct to voice those feelings in public. But much like the mold in the walls, the issues need to be fixed. Not just painted over. And lest you think Im blaming majority America for all that befalls people of color, we are just as culpable. But the reality is, nothing changes in this country until the majority can agree its a good idea. And I think the people that actually have the power to force a change dont because for the most part they are comfortable with race relations just the way they are in this country, and in some cases are actively working to set us back about 20-30 years on that front.

 

[Skins2021]

My thought on race relations is about like mold in the walls. Just because one doesnt see it, does not mean its gotten better.

Has it gotten worse?? Not really. If anything some of the long standing prejudices just arent as openly expressed because it is no longer politically correct to voice those feelings in public. But much like the mold in the walls, the issues need to be fixed. Not just painted over. And lest you think Im blaming majority America for all that befalls people of color, we are just as culpable. But the reality is, nothing changes in this country until the majority can agree its a good idea. And I think the people that actually have the power to force a change dont because for the most part they are comfortable with race relations just the way they are in this country, and in some cases are actively working to set us back about 20-30 years on that front.

Refreshing to hear as I tend to agree with you for the most part, though I think you give ignorant rednecks and racists more credit in your first sentence.

It needs to get better but the method currently implored is not the correct one. We may also disagree on "WHO" is actively working to set it back but I have a feeling we do not.

hence my affinity for candace owens and disdain for media and some democratic policy

 

[Sharkinva]

Refreshing to hear as I tend to agree with you for the most part, though I think you give ignorant rednecks and racists more credit in your first sentence.

It needs to get better but the method currently implored is not the correct one. We may also disagree on "WHO" is actively working to set it back but I have a feeling we do not.

hence my affinity for candace owens and disdain for media and some democratic policy

Thing is, the guys flying the confederate flag, or swastika dont bother me. Known enemy self identifying, so I know how to deal with them. Or I simply dont.

I think its very nefarious to pass laws and build policy that even if well intended, can give legal means to target people of color. Imagine if they started stopping every white male between the ages of 25-50 because statistically they are more likely to fit the profile of a serial killer or rapist. America would go ape over that.

Well that to me would be about equal to laws currently on the books saying police can stop and demand proof of right to be here in this country. Because while the law is technically sound, if you and I both walked past the same police office in Arizona, some how I think the chances of me getting stopped and asked to prove I belong are higher than the odds of the same cop stopping you and asking the same question.

 

[Skins2021]

'Well that to me would be about equal to laws currently on the books saying police can stop and demand proof of right to be here in this country. Because while the law is technically sound, if you and I both walked past the same police office in Arizona, some how I think the chances of me getting stopped and asked to prove I belong are higher than the odds of the same cop stopping you and asking the same question.'


I doubt either of us would get stopped if they are looking for illegal immigrants but maybe PC culture has crept into that practice as well.

I love it when I get on a plane and TSA pulls old ladies out of the line to appease this PC way of thinking.

But you are right... there shouldnt be profiling against drugs anymore then there is against rapist and serial killers... way too wide a spectrum

 

[Ruzious]

dude his stats dont tell the story. His team was 2-14. He was benched for Blaine Gabbert at various points. He is 3-16 over his last 19 games.... QBs are out of the league for records like that all the time.

he was 1 of the most overmatched qbs I have seen since the horrific Ryan Lindley vs Mark Sanchez game.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story...uffalo-stats-career-highlights-fantasy-101116

I would say that you only saw what you wanted to see. QB's are obviously the most important factor, but they are obviously not the only factor, and there were obviously a LOT worse QB's to anyone who has even a little bit of objectivity and can tell the difference between a football and a hockey puck.

Dude.

You're making me defend a QB that I don't even like - it's really annoying.

Let's get back to free agent safeties.

 

[Skins2021]

I would say that you only saw what you wanted to see. QB's are obviously the most important factor, but they are obviously not the only factor, and there were obviously a LOT worse QB's to anyone who has even a little bit of objectivity and can tell the difference between a football and a hockey puck.

Dude.

Kaepernick
3-16

QBs out of league

Akili Smith
3-12

Cade Mcnown
3-12

Todd Marinovich
3-5

Heath Shuler
8-14

Ryan Leaf
4-17

Patrick Ramsey
10-14

Matt Leinart
8-10

Brady Quinn
4-16

Jamarcus Russel
7-18

Tim Tebow
8-6

Jack Locker
9-14

Johnny Manziel
2-6

these are all 1st round picks.... Kaep was not.

Anyone with at least a little bit of objectivity could understand why the NFL would give up on a 31 year old qb (not a 1st round rookie in their 1st contract) who is 3-16 in his last 19 games and put up absolutely horrific tape, is out of the league.

fuck out of here.... dude

 

[Skins2021]

"You're making me defend a QB that I don't even like - it's really annoying.

Let's get back to free agent safeties."

Yes because the Redskins need another safety and SHOULD take advantage of this really weak market. I dont trust Nicholson to stay healthy, Apke is raw, Everett is replacement/ST player who shouldnt be counted on till like week 15-17 if necessary.

 

[gkekoa]

Really?? So if the Redskins signed and started both these players, would you boycott the team?? Answer... no. They are no more bad for business than the Redskins name is. But what they were trying to bring light to does make a certain portion of the population uncomfortable. Funny part is, the person MOST affronted about the disrespect Kaep was showing towards our veterans, was a service dodger who has repeatedly shown his disdain for our veterans.

There are those who would boycott the team and the media head ache isn’t worth their below average abilities.

 

[gkekoa]

Definition of collusion
:
secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

• acting in collusion with the enemy

Exactly...you have to have a meeting to collude.

 

[gkekoa]

There are still racists out there...white, black, Asian, Hispanic...you name it, there are bigots.

It is not the government’s role or responsibility to make citizens act a certain way toward each other. That would be an encroachment on freedom.

There is not a single law on the book that favors white people. There are laws that favor minorities, which by definition is discrimination by the government which is wrong.

Make America Great has nothing to do with race. I don’t even like Trump. I do think he is doing well considering the bulllshit he is being delivered. As for why illegal immigration is looked at as a Hispanic issue, is predominantly is. From the most conservative estimates, 80% of illegals are Hispanic.

 

[Sharkinva]

Exactly...you have to have a meeting to collude.

Dude.. a phone call would work. A series of phone calls would work.

Next you'll tell me you have to go into the store to buy a computer.

 

[gkekoa]

Dude.. a phone call would work. A series of phone calls would work.

I didn’t say face to face meeting. Also, just because Mara calls Dan, then Mara calls Bill, doesn’t mean Dan and Bill are colluding.

 

[Sharkinva]

I didn’t say face to face meeting. Also, just because Mara calls Dan, then Mara calls Bill, doesn’t mean Dan and Bill are colluding.

So by your logic if Mara called Dan and said, hey i just talked to BIll, we have decided Kaep is bad for business and shouldnt be given another opportunity. Then Dan in talking to Ozzie said, well I was talking to John...

to you thats not Collusion??

Interesting.

 

[Sharkinva]

There are still racists out there...white, black, Asian, Hispanic...you name it, there are bigots.

It is not the government’s role or responsibility to make citizens act a certain way toward each other. That would be an encroachment on freedom.

There is not a single law on the book that favors white people. There are laws that favor minorities, which by definition is discrimination by the government which is wrong.

Make America Great has nothing to do with race. I don’t even like Trump. I do think he is doing well considering the bulllshit he is being delivered. As for why illegal immigration is looked at as a Hispanic issue, is predominantly is. From the most conservative estimates, 80% of illegals are Hispanic.

1. The government takes on that role and responsibility all the time by enacting and creating laws. By enforcing said laws.

2. There is also not a single law on the books designed to single out white people for being born white. But the next time you are pulled over and asked to prove your right to be in this country, please whip out your cell phone and record that moment for us.

3. I have asked you before, and I will ask again... Exactly what point does Make America Great again refer to getting back to?? What policies? Had he simply said make America Great, then yes it becomes a statement of intent. But by adding the word again, it implies that there are standards and ideals Trump wants to go BACK to.

 

[skinsdad62]

1. The government takes on that role and responsibility all the time by enacting and creating laws. By enforcing said laws.

2. There is also not a single law on the books designed to single out white people for being born white. But the next time you are pulled over and asked to prove your right to be in this country, please whip out your cell phone and record that moment for us.

3. I have asked you before, and I will ask again... Exactly what point does Make America Great again refer to getting back to?? What policies? Had he simply said make America Great, then yes it becomes a statement of intent. But by adding the word again, it implies that there are standards and ideals Trump wants to go BACK to.

why is the assumption being that being racist is in play ? economic life in the 50's after the war was pretty good and the collective standard of the people improved