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Truth is he got in because of his stance and their religious beliefs meshed enough for them. They hate abortion and didn't want the courts to support that right for others. Ironic isn't it? They don't want others to impose the right to decide, but wanted to imposed no right to that decision. Now for the record, I believe that Roe was unfairly decided as there were better options than the two argued over. Further, there's the whole cultural thing that a ton of folks feel is in jeopardy, also bullshit. What culture are they referring to, the stolen parts of others that they claim as their own? In this country, cultural differences are manufactured just as is race. Don't get me started on the list of bullshit that's been mentioned or written about in this thread, so moving on...

Follow the money, that is why I called Trump a criminal want to be authoritarian from the beginning. He could not get funding from any bank in this country, so he took his shyster ass to Saudi Arabia and Russia among others to get funding. I know that some here will go after the "Shyster ass" remark but the truth is running the type of game that he does won't fly in places where people are hip to that weak assed game. The banks were certainly hip to his nonsense, and that's why he sought funding through some seriously shady venues elsewhere. . Right now, ONLY P.T Barnum type of suckers are supporting this dude, and worse he knows it. Take for example, his statement that the economy would collapse if he were impeached. Anyone actually believe this shit? The country that managed to survive without him for every year of his life while not in office would collapse if he got impeached! In-fuckin'-credible!! Scare enough people and they support the strong man!

Yes I believe the economy will collapse when the libs get total control. We will end up in the situation others have been in like what is happening in France right now. Socialism doesn’t work, nothing is free, getting rid of natural resources is just plain dumb and isn’t happening. That’s what they’ll try and it’ll ruing the economy, and teriost will have the right of way in to the country.
 

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Yes I believe the economy will collapse when the libs get total control. We will end up in the situation others have been in like what is happening in France right now. Socialism doesn’t work, nothing is free, getting rid of natural resources is just plain dumb and isn’t happening. That’s what they’ll try and it’ll ruing the economy, and teriost will have the right of way in to the country.

Then you know nothing of history, which teaches us that since the 1920's every notable (greater than one year) downturn/collapse/depression was headed by a Republican president or corrected by tax increases/spending, The corrections came as a result of changes instituted by Democratic Presidents or Reagan who used tax increases to come out of a recovery. Want proof? Don't trust me? Look it up ypourself!

Great depression, President Hoover...Correction Roosevelt course correction by Truman

1973 to 1975 recessions, Nixon/Ford...Correction by Carter, though not enough to spur recovery. (oil embargo)

To be fair, the 1981 -1982 recession was a continuation of the Carter Iranian issues so Reagan and his tax increases helped Quell that downturn.

The Great recession 2007-2009 All George Bush...Correction Barack Obama.

Now you might not like this, but facts are facts. BTW; what's happening in France, and has happened in Greece are reflection of austerity measures imposed in country. Sans, the tax increases, republicans here want to reduce government budget deficits through spending cuts. These are the two things that create the issues there and here if we continue to go down that road. Now ask me how to correctly create economic stability, I'm a true fiscal conservative!
 

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Nope...if what I say is true, it is a fact that I am the exact opposite of racist.

Criminal status is complete choice. This is the law. You choose to disobey the law. You are found guilty of a crime. You are then a criminal. 100% choice...based on self.

I am sure there are differences in education to include peer pressure, lack of assistance at home, and of course your personal choice on how seriously to take school.

I didn’t excuse it but you used it as a specific against this country who vanquished slavery quicker than any country in history. Why is it this country seems to be the only one that revels in the past mistakes instead of all the good it has done and how quickly it has done it? What advantages do we hold onto...be specific?

I am calling you a drone...a puppet, incapable of free thought. A puppet who believes everybody is exactly the same, with the same desires, and no inate abilities.

Lol yes your argument that the selfishness of black people causes all the issues totally isn't racist. Sure bud.

It's actually not complete choice. That implies a perfectly just criminal Justice system which is a pretty big assumption. It also requires there to be no external factors that lead to criminality which we know to be false.

In what way don't we hold advantages?

Fine. You can call me that and I'll call you what you are. A racist. I don't think it's out of malice or at least am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But this isn't the fault of liberals and PC culture and it's not coming from a snowflake liberal looking for a safe space. It's coming from a conservative and it's on you. Up to you if you want to consider that maybe circumstances have an influence on outcomes in this country. Until you have something better than "black people are just more selfish and thats why theyre worse off" that's the way I'll see you.
 

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Oh...let me add this.

If I believe a black man can help himself because he is fully capable, but you believe a black man requires the help of white people to free himself of whatever imaginary bonds you put him in...what does that make you? It makes you a racist.

Lol
 

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That’s all this witch hunt is about. They knew if they could make the fake dossier and start a fbi investigation that they would find something he’s guilty of, after all he’s one of the most successful business men. I’m sure theirs a little dirty business that can be found. I’ll bet if the fbi looked in to any of those crooked politicians (especially the clintons) they could find crimes.

How quickly the Trump supporters have moved from "Trump did nothing wrong" to "of course he did things wrong but heres why it's not a big deal"
 

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I know this is dangerous territory for me to venture into, especially here, but I just want to say the attack on a man with the impeccable credentials of Robert Mueller is disgusting. And it's being done by the Trump followers as they buy every single thing he is selling. It's as if they have lost the ability to think for themselves, he cries about Mueller and they jump right on board. It's as if they have no interest in actually finding the truth, they only want their guy protected.

Well it does not work that way. We are talking about very serious stuff, we need to find out exactly what happened. If they find nothing I am perfectly fine accepting that result. But the Trump clan can't say that, they could see a video of Trump orchestrating a cover up that would make ABSCAM look like hearsay and dismiss it as the MSM out to get their hero.

Anyone taking a long, hard, objective look at the backgrounds of Robert Mueller and President Trump and have concluded that it's Mueller who is the crooked one is a freaking moron.

That is all.

Mueller - impeccable credentials and record.

Trump - can't go a day without lying and throwing a tantrum

Hmmm who do we trust. Tough one.
 

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This is a fair analysis. The problem Mueller has is it is taking him way too long. He has got to wrap this up. The longer he drags this out, the more credence Trump's claims become. Its starting to appear he is just fishing.

I don't get this complaint. This is still a very short investigation compared to other special counsels. Don't you want him to be thorough?

And furthermore I think plenty has been discovered to show this sure as hell isn't a witch hunt. Whether that means Trump is guilty of anything is a whole other story but it sure as hell isn't the witch hunt Trump claims.
 

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this thread is going by the wayside real soon so i wont comment too much more on it . still mulling over whether politics should be on this forum

but i cant allow people calling each other racists

Just seeing this post now.

I've said my piece on the topic and think all have made their respective thoughts clear.

Feel free to do what you want with my post but I'll be dropping the topic from here out. Is what it is unfortunately.
 

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we also have the FWIW thread that has taken over this original thread and its intent

i may take the political posts from this thread and move it into a thread called politics , change the rule 5 , and combine off topic and fwiw threads together
but that will take patience from everyone so i can go back to the first political posts in this thread so i can move them

a big time consuming thing for me to do

Youre a good mod my dude :suds:
 

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The fears I have is being taxed to death, and businesses being regulated to death, and terrorist and violent gang members being aloud in our country.

So i think maybe 2 of those are valid concerns and 2 arent. But none of them will cause the country to implode.

Is it really worth welcoming corruption into the white house to maybe make a difference on those issues to you?
 

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Lol yes your argument that the selfishness of black people causes all the issues totally isn't racist. Sure bud.

It's actually not complete choice. That implies a perfectly just criminal Justice system which is a pretty big assumption. It also requires there to be no external factors that lead to criminality which we know to be false.

In what way don't we hold advantages?

Fine. You can call me that and I'll call you what you are. A racist. I don't think it's out of malice or at least am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But this isn't the fault of liberals and PC culture and it's not coming from a snowflake liberal looking for a safe space. It's coming from a conservative and it's on you. Up to you if you want to consider that maybe circumstances have an influence on outcomes in this country. Until you have something better than "black people are just more selfish and thats why theyre worse off" that's the way I'll see you.

It also implies that people aren't discriminated against based on zip codes, the family in which one is born, a U.S. style caste system and history.
 
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I agree that the majority of both groups are homegrown. But that doesn't mean you let more in. Let's not sugarcoat it. Some coming into this country illegally, no matter how they got here, have evil ways.

Its like everything, we need moderation. But at a minimum, we should demand that every one coming into this country we know who they are, their intentions, and where they will be and how they are going to support themselves. That is rarely the case with those coming across our borders illegally, no matter which border they cross.

So do people born in this country. Are we gonna start putting regulations on who can be born in this country?

Reality is illegal immigrants don't make us less safe or break our economy or lead to a breakdown of the legal system or whatever else Trump claims.

Do I think there's anything wrong with wanting to stop illegal immigration? No. Everybody should immigrate legally. BUT...

1. We should be pushing for MORE legal immigration than we have which is not what Trump and his admin are doing.

And

2. We need to recognize that while it would be nice to have no illegal immigration - the actual cost to the country from this is essentially nonexistent while the cost to actually "fixing" it is very existent and also doesn't really "fix" it.
 

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Lol yes your argument that the selfishness of black people causes all the issues totally isn't racist. Sure bud.

It's actually not complete choice. That implies a perfectly just criminal Justice system which is a pretty big assumption. It also requires there to be no external factors that lead to criminality which we know to be false.

In what way don't we hold advantages?

Fine. You can call me that and I'll call you what you are. A racist. I don't think it's out of malice or at least am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But this isn't the fault of liberals and PC culture and it's not coming from a snowflake liberal looking for a safe space. It's coming from a conservative and it's on you. Up to you if you want to consider that maybe circumstances have an influence on outcomes in this country. Until you have something better than "black people are just more selfish and thats why theyre worse off" that's the way I'll see you.

OK, guys, @dad has promised to shut this thread down if the "Racist" names are thrown towards one another. I know that emotions run high on that subject, but there are ways to say the same thing without actually saying the same thing directly. Be creative, we all understand the language and the subtle or not as subtle ways to express ourselves. Let's keep this forum open. Thanks!
 

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And directed him to commit this felony
Allegedly. Oh, and if he did, its not a felony unless he used campaign funds.
 

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So do people born in this country. Are we gonna start putting regulations on who can be born in this country?

Reality is illegal immigrants don't make us less safe or break our economy or lead to a breakdown of the legal system or whatever else Trump claims.

Do I think there's anything wrong with wanting to stop illegal immigration? No. Everybody should immigrate legally. BUT...

1. We should be pushing for MORE legal immigration than we have which is not what Trump and his admin are doing.

And

2. We need to recognize that while it would be nice to have no illegal immigration - the actual cost to the country from this is essentially nonexistent while the cost to actually "fixing" it is very existent and also doesn't really "fix" it.

we already have regulations for people born in this country. They are called laws. And all citizens must abide by them or face the consequences.
 

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They should change their name to foreskins and really piss the leftiest off imo...
 

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I mentioned on another site.. if a Democrat President had 10% of the questionable shit around him that this current President does, and the GOP had the house... they would have started impeachment proceedings before he was even sworn in.

Lol if Obama directed his lawyer to pay off somebody to keep an affair silent his campaign had widespread contact with Russia and Russia tried to help elect him the right would lose their damn minds.

It would make their Clinton obsession look like child's play and anybody who doesn't believe that is full of it
 

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Allegedly. Oh, and if he did, its not a felony unless he used campaign funds.

Let me ask this, if person A directs person B to make a bribe (hush money if you must) to person C in order to quash a story that would hurt person A's election chances, is that campaign money?
 
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