politics thread

[Rowdy]

That’s all this witch hunt is about. They knew if they could make the fake dossier and start a fbi investigation that they would find something he’s guilty of, after all he’s one of the most successful business men. I’m sure theirs a little dirty business that can be found. I’ll bet if the fbi looked in to any of those crooked politicians (especially the clintons) they could find crimes.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I know this is dangerous territory for me to venture into, especially here, but I just want to say the attack on a man with the impeccable credentials of Robert Mueller is disgusting. And it's being done by the Trump followers as they buy every single thing he is selling. It's as if they have lost the ability to think for themselves, he cries about Mueller and they jump right on board. It's as if they have no interest in actually finding the truth, they only want their guy protected.

Well it does not work that way. We are talking about very serious stuff, we need to find out exactly what happened. If they find nothing I am perfectly fine accepting that result. But the Trump clan can't say that, they could see a video of Trump orchestrating a cover up that would make ABSCAM look like hearsay and dismiss it as the MSM out to get their hero.

Anyone taking a long, hard, objective look at the backgrounds of Robert Mueller and President Trump and have concluded that it's Mueller who is the crooked one is a freaking moron.

That is all.

 

[j_y19]

I know this is dangerous territory for me to venture into, especially here, but I just want to say the attack on a man with the impeccable credentials of Robert Mueller is disgusting. And it's being done by the Trump followers as they buy every single thing he is selling. It's as if they have lost the ability to think for themselves, he cries about Mueller and they jump right on board. It's as if they have no interest in actually finding the truth, they only want their guy protected.

Well it does not work that way. We are talking about very serious stuff, we need to find out exactly what happened. If they find nothing I am perfectly fine accepting that result. But the Trump clan can't say that, they could see a video of Trump orchestrating a cover up that would make ABSCAM look like hearsay and dismiss it as the MSM out to get their hero.

Anyone taking a long, hard, objective look at the backgrounds of Robert Mueller and President Trump and have concluded that it's Mueller who is the crooked one is a freaking moron.

That is all.

This is a fair analysis. The problem Mueller has is it is taking him way too long. He has got to wrap this up. The longer he drags this out, the more credence Trump's claims become. Its starting to appear he is just fishing.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

This is a fair analysis. The problem Mueller has is it is taking him way too long. He has got to wrap this up. The longer he drags this out, the more credence Trump's claims become. Its starting to appear he is just fishing.

But that's a stupid argument that is often used by his supporters. There was no timeline for the Hillary investigation that took much longer. You didn't hear liberals cry about the timeline. I know I for one would have accepted the results either way but we all know the Trump clan will never accept it if it breaks bad for the President. They appear more interested in protecting their hero regardless of what he did than actually getting to the truth and holding those guilty, if that is found, accountable. That is not a good look and about as anti-American as you can get.

How long did Iran/Contra and Watergate take? All of these investigations took YEARS longer and were less complex than this investigation which was oh by the way delayed because Trump fired the lead investigator.

Any time I hear the Trump clan cry that it's been 2 years so he hasn't found anything I dismiss that person immediately because their argument holds no water.

 

[Sharkinva]

This is a fair analysis. The problem Mueller has is it is taking him way too long. He has got to wrap this up. The longer he drags this out, the more credence Trump's claims become. Its starting to appear he is just fishing.

I will simply point out.... the witch hunt of the Clintons has been ongoing for the better part of 25 years. Not a single guilty plea, verdict. IM not even a fan of the Clintons, but any one who chanted lock her up, but says Mueller is taking too long... really needs to check their chronograph for whats too long.

 

[j_y19]

But that's a stupid argument that is often used by his supporters. There was no timeline for the Hillary investigation that took much longer. You didn't hear liberals cry about the timeline. I know I for one would have accepted the results either way but we all know the Trump clan could see a clip of Trump orchestrating a cover up so clear it would make ABSCAM look like a rumor and dismiss it as the media out to get their boy.

How long did Iran/Contra and Watergate take? All of these investigations took YEARS longer and were less complex than this investigation which was oh by the way delayed because Trump fired the lead investigator.

Any time I hear the Trump clan cry that it's been 2 years so he hasn't found anything I dismiss that person immediately because their argument holds no water.

Its not a stupid argument if the perception is real. And that perception is real, not only amongst Trump supporters but also non Trump supporters (such as me). Muller needs to show something soon.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I will simply point out.... the witch hunt of the Clintons has been ongoing for the better part of 25 years. Not a single guilty plea, verdict. IM not even a fan of the Clintons, but any one who chanted lock her up, but says Mueller is taking too long... really needs to check their chronograph for whats too long.

I'm with you. I have no love for Hillary, the worst candidate I was ever forced to vote for.

 

[Sharkinva]

Its not a stupid argument if the perception is real. And that perception is real, not only amongst Trump supporters but also non Trump supporters (such as me). Muller needs to show something soon.

Correction.. he needs to show something that either implicates or exonerates the President soon. He has a rack of guilty pleas and verdicts, and still has cases open. I think what people really worry about is Mueller releases something proving Trump should never have been President. Thats the real fear of his supporters.

 

[j_y19]

I will simply point out.... the witch hunt of the Clintons has been ongoing for the better part of 25 years. Not a single guilty plea, verdict. IM not even a fan of the Clintons, but any one who chanted lock her up, but says Mueller is taking too long... really needs to check their chronograph for whats too long.

But the Clintons are not under a Federal inquiry. That bluster is just a small group of Neoconservatives still chanting that as well as Trump when he wants to deflect.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Its not a stupid argument if the perception is real. And that perception is real, not only amongst Trump supporters but also non Trump supporters (such as me). Muller needs to show something soon.

Why? Should Ken Starr have simply stopped because the clock ran out before his job was done? Or Watergate? This is nonsense, it takes as long as it takes. And of course the hindrance by Trump at ever step caused delays so it's kind of disingenuous for him to cry about the timelines. Our justice system does not work on "perception" it works only when all the evidence has been evaluated.

I don't pretend to know what exactly happened and neither should anyone else. But I tell you what, ever single action from the President simply does not pass the smell test of someone with nothing to hide. If he is innocent he should act like it. But he hasn't has he?

 

[j_y19]

Why? Should Ken Starr have simply stopped because the clock ran out before his job was done? Or Watergate? This is nonsense, it takes as long as it takes. And of course the hindrance by Trump at ever step caused delays so it's kind of disingenuous for him to cry about the timelines.

I don't pretend to know what exactly happened and neither does anyone else. But I tell you what, ever single action from the President simply does not pass the smell test of someone with nothing to hide. If he is innocent he should act like it. But he hasn't has he?

No he hasn't. But acting guilty doesn't allow for the cops to investigate you. It should hold true for all.

 

[j_y19]

No he hasn't. But acting guilty doesn't allow for the cops to investigate you. It should hold true for all.

Also, I never said Mueller should stop, I said he needs to start showing where he is headed an why before he loses people like me. And based on my discussions with my peers, I think there are more like me than you may realize.

 

[skinsdad62]

this thread is going by the wayside real soon so i wont comment too much more on it . still mulling over whether politics should be on this forum

but i cant allow people calling each other racists

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

No he hasn't. But acting guilty doesn't allow for the cops to investigate you. It should hold true for all.

Well there must have been pretty compelling evidence to launch an investigation into the campaign of the man who is the President of the United States don't you think? They would not have taken it this far if they found nothing in the early part of the investigation, I would think that is obvious.

So let's stop crying and wait for the information to be released. Then and only then can we form an educated opinion. And let's not pretend this investigation is the only one with a clock on it because that is unfair.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

this thread is going by the wayside real soon so i wont comment too much more on it . still mulling over whether politics should be on this forum

but i cant allow people calling each other racists

Perhaps delete the comments? I think the message has been sent out that it must stop, I hope you don't close down the thread.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Also, I never said Mueller should stop, I said he needs to start showing where he is headed an why before he loses people like me. And based on my discussions with my peers, I think there are more like me than you may realize.

So you want him to leak info? I thought leaks were bad. That's what Donald told me.

 

[Sharkinva]

But the Clintons are not under a Federal inquiry. That bluster is just a small group of Neoconservatives still chanting that as well as Trump when he wants to deflect.

Again I will state.. for the better part of 25 years they have been trying to find something concrete on the Clintons. And when a Presidential Candidate says he will have the DOJ investigate his opponent... that alone should bring pause to most rational people. Those are the statements made by strongmen and despots the world over. The bluster starts at the top in this instance.

 

[skinsdad62]

I am going to close it down I think

 

[j_y19]

Well there must have been pretty compelling evidence to launch an investigation into the campaign of the man who is the President of the United States don't you think? They would not have taken it this far if they found nothing in the early part of the investigation, I would think that is obvious.

So let's stop crying and wait for the information to be released. Then and only then can we form an educated opinion. And let's not pretend this investigation is the only one with a clock on it because that is unfair.

Dude, what is it about you? I'm not the one crying. Its you that appear to have your panties in a wad because someone commented on your post (and actually agreed with you). I also have not put a clock on anything. I'm talking about sentiment and the danger of potential waning support.

 

[gkekoa]

I am going to close it down I think

I don’t understand closing it down. We discussed having this thread to discuss topics that may be contentious. Then it gets contentious and we want to shut it down?