politics thread

[skinsdad62]

For the record there's this one big difference in what Clinton did and Trump has done.

1. Clinton did it while in office, let's call it a perk of power which makes it immoral perhaps but NOT illegal.

2. Trump did it as a means to hide it from the voting public in order to gain office. That is a felony every day of the week and twice on Sunday!

part 2 is foolish , exhibit a is the nbc tape

 

[Stymietee]

That’s all this witch hunt is about. They knew if they could make the fake dossier and start a fbi investigation that they would find something he’s guilty of, after all he’s one of the most successful business men. I’m sure theirs a little dirty business that can be found. I’ll bet if the fbi looked in to any of those crooked politicians (especially the clintons) they could find crimes.

While I don't disagree with your conclusion, let's at least get the facts in order. Never Trump Republicans were the ones who created the dossier.

 

[Stymietee]

part 2 is foolish , exhibit a is the nbc tape

What are you talking about? Cohen is going to jail for up to 3 years for doing what you're calling "foolish" Really?? BTW: he admitted doing so and for the purpose stated, there a judges sentence to back me up on this one!

 

[skinsdad62]

While I don't disagree with your conclusion, let's at least get the facts in order. Never Trump Republicans were the ones who created the dossier.

wrong again it was bought and paid for by HRC campaign that took it to the next level . check out uranium one

 

[skinsdad62]

What are you talking about? Cohen is going to jail for up to 3 years for doing what you're calling "foolish" Really??

he is going to jail for mostly tax issues

 

[Stymietee]

Correction.. he needs to show something that either implicates or exonerates the President soon. He has a rack of guilty pleas and verdicts, and still has cases open. I think what people really worry about is Mueller releases something proving Trump should never have been President. Thats the real fear of his supporters.

There's also a mistrust issue to be considered. If everyone is honest, the oversight authority that congress commands has been totally ignored during the last two years. Mueller is human and I'm sure he's noticed this failure by the duly elected representatives. That said, I'll bet that sometime just after the 116th Congress takes their seats he will release a lot of what he has. The SDNY and Va. investigations will go on, most likely coming to fruition sometime after the 2020 elections if Trump is defeated.

 

[Stymietee]

wrong again it was bought and paid for by HRC campaign that took it to the next level . check out uranium one

Rather that argue over what's easily provable:

STEELE DOSSIER TIMELINE – JUST THE FACTS
Articles | Forerunners of Americasteele-dossier-timeline...

Following that timeline, here is who started the Dossier:

The Washington Free Beacon - Official Site
https://freebeacon.com

And the owner of the WFB is this guy:

Michael Goldfarb (born June 6, 1980) is an Jewish conservative political writer. He was contributing editor for The Weekly Standard and was a research associate at the Project for the New American Century. During the 2008 presidential race he served as John McCain's deputy communications director. He is a founder of the online conservative magazine The Washington Free Beacon. Goldfarb attracted some online attention for two posts ridiculing liberal bloggers as basement-dwelling Dungeons and Dragons players.

He has a B.A. in history from Princeton University. In an article titled "A Conservative Provocateur, Using a Blowtorch as His Pen," the New York Times called Goldfarb "an all-around anti-liberal provocateur" and said he "has blazed a trail in the new era of campaign finance, in which loosened restrictions have flooded the political world with cash for a whole new array of organizations that operate outside the traditional bounds of the parties

 

[Stymietee]

also i am not mad at anyone for any belief . we just cant have the name calling

Alright you sons-of...Ooops!! STOP the damned name calling!!

 

[Stymietee]

he is going to jail for mostly tax issues

Here ya go!! (thought you might appreciate that this comes from Breitbart) Also take note of the hush money payments.

Michael Cohen Sentenced to 3 Years in Prison - breitbart.com
breitbart.com
12 hours ago · A federal judge in New York sentenced Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s longtime lawyer, to three years in prison Wednesday for crimes including tax evasion, making hush-money payments, and lying to Congress about past business dealings in Russia.

 

[Stymietee]

we also have the FWIW thread that has taken over this original thread and its intent

i may take the political posts from this thread and move it into a thread called politics , change the rule 5 , and combine off topic and fwiw threads together
but that will take patience from everyone so i can go back to the first political posts in this thread so i can move them

a big time consuming thing for me to do

Whenever I'm invited to a wedding and asked to sing, my song of choice is always...

Reconsider (Don't do it!!)

 

[Rowdy]

Here ya go!! (thought you might appreciate that this comes from Breitbart) Also take note of the hush money payments.

Michael Cohen Sentenced to 3 Years in Prison - breitbart.com
breitbart.com
12 hours ago · A federal judge in New York sentenced Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s longtime lawyer, to three years in prison Wednesday for crimes including tax evasion, making hush-money payments, and lying to Congress about past business dealings in Russia.

That’s why he had a lawyer. He trusted him to take care of these things legally

 

[Stymietee]

That’s why he had a lawyer. He trusted him to take care of these things legally

Wow, you guys never quit, It is illegal to cover-up or hide by paying hush money to those who might expose a candidate's dirty laundry. There is NO way to do that legally. BTW: Even if he did this through another method, AMI or a shell company, there's audio tape of he and Trump discussing the method in which such payments are to be made.

Factually, if this was anyone doing that, other than someone holding this office, they would already be indicted. I'm not a lawyer but I have read the constitution, not surprising, there's NOTHING in it that prevents a president from being indicted. There is only a memo written by a former Attorney General advising against it. I have a feeling that the next big story is one where our fellow countrymen and women are debating whether or not a president can be indicted. Any thoughts on this?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Exactly how many members of Trump's Network of Criminals need to plead guilty to felonies before it becomes clear that President's Trump's promise to "Drain the Swamp" was just anther lie. His administration may be the most corrupt in history, and this is even before Mueller is finished. With all this crime all around him it's kind of idiotic to believe Trump is completely innocent and Mueller is "fishing" when his "fishing" is sending people to jail for crimes they have admitted to committing.

As pointed out before Trump is a well known control freak, to claim all this stuff took place without his knowledge is just not logical.

 

[j_y19]

Exactly how many members of Trump's Network of Criminals need to plead guilty to felonies before it becomes clear that President's Trump's promise to "Drain the Swamp" was just anther lie. His administration may be the most corrupt in history, and this is even before Mueller is finished. With all this crime all around him it's kind of idiotic to believe Trump is completely innocent and Mueller is "fishing" when his "fishing" is sending people to jail for crimes they have admitted to committing.

As pointed out before Trump is a well known control freak, to claim all this stuff took place without his knowledge is just not logical.

See, we are of similar minds. But with all of these convictions and admissions by his some in his inner circle, still no smoking gun found in trump's hand. It doesn't appear that any of these admissions have turned states evidence on trump. SO while it may be logical to conclude that Trump was aware, and possibly in on, some of these illegal activities, that is unfortunately not reason enough for a Federal indictment. You have to have proof. And apparently Mueller has none. Now if he goes back far enough and deep enough, might he find something on Trump in his past where he could be proven to have broken the law in some form or fashion? Probably. But that could most likely happen to you and I also. This is why I am uneasy with this open ended investigation.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

@Stymietee That's a no-brainer. NOBODY is above the law and that includes the President of the United States. No make that especially the President of the United States. If our leader can get away with anything our system crumbles to the ground.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

See, we are of similar minds. But with all of these convictions and admissions by his some in his inner circle, still no smoking gun found in trump's hand. It doesn't appear that any of these admissions have turned states evidence on trump. SO while it may be logical to conclude that Trump was aware, and possibly in on, some of these illegal activities, that is unfortunately not reason enough for a Federal indictment. You have to have proof. And apparently Mueller has none. Now if he goes back far enough and deep enough, might he find something on Trump in his past where he could be proven to have broken the law in some form or fashion? Probably. But that could most likely happen to you and I also. This is why I am uneasy with this open ended investigation.

Oh I know we see things closely, and again I apologize for the "crying" comment as it was not directed at you. But again your claim that Mueller has no proof can't be said now because until the report is release none of us know what he had discovered. If Trump knew of Russian contact then he has been lying, which is a daily occurrence for him. If he knew, and knowing how much of a control freak he is as you said it's impossible to believe that he wouldn't have known, then it's very possible that he was orchestrating a cover up and has committed obstruction of justice. A case can be made that the Comey situation alone constitutes obstruction as he was clearly trying to steer the investigation a certain way and then fired Comey when he refused to compromise his integrity and play by Trump's rules. Knowing how much he lies I'm also thinking he lied in his responses to Mueller. Nixon didn't break in anywhere but the cover up was his death nail.

Personally I never believed the President was directly involved with Russia. But it is very likely that those in his inner circle, especially his son, was involved. I mean how many more Trump people need to be caught lying about contact with Russia before that is clear?

And it's impossible to believe that he had no knowledge and it is very likely he was directing the cover up. You put that with the payoffs to Daniels and who knows what else Mueller has discovered as he peels back the layers it's pretty clear the President has a whole lot of possible legal issues.

Hell even his biggest supporter Lindsay Graham had to acknowledge when your personal lawyer is going to jail that is not a good look for the President.

 

[Rod Freakin' Dangerfield]

Fuck?

 

[j_y19]

Wow, you guys never quit, It is illegal to cover-up or hide by paying hush money to those who might expose a candidate's dirty laundry. There is NO way to do that legally. BTW: Even if he did this through another method, AMI or a shell company, there's audio tape of he and Trump discussing the method in which such payments are to be made.

Factually, if this was anyone doing that, other than someone holding this office, they would already be indicted. I'm not a lawyer but I have read the constitution, not surprising, there's NOTHING in it that prevents a president from being indicted. There is only a memo written by a former Attorney General advising against it. I have a feeling that the next big story is one where our fellow countrymen and women are debating whether or not a president can be indicted. Any thoughts on this?

Sty, this tape you refer to, what exactly does Trump say? Does he specifically state that the money is to stop her from talking about their affair? Its an important distinction and the wording is very important.

 

[Sharkinva]

part 2 is foolish , exhibit a is the nbc tape

YOu do realize that whether it would have mattered to the election or not, and the fact that it might turn out to be an illegal campaign donation are two seperate things right??

While it may have had no bearing if it had come out in its full glory the day before the election. Trump trying to hide i in the manor that he did is whats at issue now. Personally i think you are right. He could have come out and admitted it on live TV the night before the election and far from hurt him, some knuckle dragger out there that didnt vote at all, probably would have just in admiration of Trump banging hot chicks while he was married.

 

[Rowdy]

Those ladies were paid off for personal reasons and with his own money. Not campaign money