Phins Suspend Richie Incognito

[cdumler7]

After how many months of this? If the threats were real, months should not have passed before it came to light IMO.

I think we have seen over the last 10 years how good the NFL is at covering up issues within the organization. So maybe he went early to his coaches they gave him the cold shoulder and all of this continued until the point where Martin did finally stand up for himself and just walked away. Why is that not considered strength in the fact that he did just walk away? Why is it that he has to punch some guy in the face to show strength? Maybe he did say no many times in all of this yet the OL made life a living hell for him when he did. It seems pretty logical with everything coming out that this seems to be the case. Martin walked away from millions of dollars so to me that is showing great strength to care more about his mental health than that of continuing in a destructive situation to continue to make millions.

 

[BritishDolfan]

Just throwing one possible scenario out there because it has already been brought up in this topic. Let us say Martin is gay and RI knows this. Say he threatens to expose him to the whole world where Martin is not ready...

That's something I hadn't thought of. I would hope it isn't something like that though, because that would probably end up opening up a whole other can of shit.

 

[cdumler7]

That's something I hadn't thought of. I would hope it isn't something like that though, because that would probably end up opening up a whole other can of shit.

I hope it isn't that either just showing how through one scenario one person can control another from taking action towards stopping somebody. There are many scenarios that can cause this same reaction just thought I would use that one since it had already come up in this thread and honestly I think it is something that could be a problem in the near future in the NFL since it is such a macho world.

 

[beardown07]

Obviously you have no clue into how bullying actually works and what the victim goes through in these situations. Party of bullying another individual is putting fear into them that if they do try to do something of say telling the authorities then there will be consequences for such actions. It doesn't matter if it is a child or an adult the same can happen to either. Adults are not immune to being bullied. Yes they might have a better idea of where to go for help but that doesn't mean that they will always seek it like I said in possibly fear for their own safety or others.

Just throwing one possible scenario out there because it has already been brought up in this topic. Let us say Martin is gay and RI knows this. Say he threatens to expose him to the whole world where Martin is not ready. He knows his teammates and other players around the NFL will look at him possibly different. He will have the media surrounding him for months on end asking him questions about his personal life. So maybe he was using this as blackmail or at least as threats to keep Martin from telling anybody why he kept taking money from him and doing all the rest. This is just one possible scenario in a very long list of reasons why maybe Martin did not go to authorities. It has come out he at least went to the coaching staff and they ignored him. So he at least did try to do something but it was met with the cold shoulder. This then could cause him to stay away from taking it to the authorities in fear he will be met with the same cold shoulder which then would just antagonize RI and others to come after him more.

As stated earlier...everyone has been bullied...even the bully.


As stated numerous times...if you feel threatened for your safety, and these bullies are legitimate gun-wielding psychos, and over the course of 2 yrs, you can't properly convey that fear to the organization or authorities, then its hard to imagine you being that afraid.

 

[eric5577x]

^^^ I hope not also! The gay and lesbian community would be all over RI and the Phins.

 

[beardown07]

Whether he is gay or not, is nobody's burden but his own to shoulder. It's almost 2014...deal with it. Again, these are men we are talking about, not children.

Are they gonna call him names en sech? Tell him he's a faggot?

Jesus...grow up. Who really fucking cares what anybody says, but your family and loved ones? And if they can't handle it either...then fuck them too.

 

[cdumler7]

As stated earlier...everyone has been bullied...even the bully.


As stated numerous times...if you feel threatened for your safety, and these bullies are legitimate gun-wielding psychos, and over the course of 2 yrs, you can't properly convey that fear to the organization or authorities, then its hard to imagine you being that afraid.

Again I doubt you understand the full extent of how bad bullying can be to some. There is a reason that some get to the point of even killing themselves. You would think with all that is coming out in the media recently about kids killing themselves over bullying you would understand how serious this can get. Parents of many of these kids took this information to the school districts and even to the police and nothing would get done. They would say they would look into it and until the kid actually killed themselves rarely took action.

If RI was threatening Martin through phone calls, text messages, and probably face to face conversations and Martin had already gone to the coaching staff and they said "sorry can't help you" it would be hard to know what to do next. Probably at best the police could put a restraining order against RI with all that he had done (at least according to the reports) and then all that would have done was cause the locker room to turn against Martin in that situation. Plus not sure how the legality of that would all work considering they both work in the same building.

 

[RobToxin]

Reading on the college boards where Incognito was kicked off the Nebraska team.

Really.

What a surprise.

 

[BritishDolfan]

I hope it isn't that either just showing how through one scenario one person can control another from taking action towards stopping somebody. There are many scenarios that can cause this same reaction just thought I would use that one since it had already come up in this thread and honestly I think it is something that could be a problem in the near future in the NFL since it is such a macho world.

I agree. It's something that is going to come to a head at some point, regardless of the person involved.

^^^ I hope not also! The gay and lesbian community would be all over RI and the Phins.

That isn't really the issue, but it wouldn't help matters.

 

[beardown07]

Again I doubt you understand the full extent of how bad bullying can be to some. There is a reason that some get to the point of even killing themselves. You would think with all that is coming out in the media recently about kids killing themselves over bullying you would understand how serious this can get. Parents of many of these kids took this information to the school districts and even to the police and nothing would get done. They would say they would look into it and until the kid actually killed themselves rarely took action.

If RI was threatening Martin through phone calls, text messages, and probably face to face conversations and Martin had already gone to the coaching staff and they said "sorry can't help you" it would be hard to know what to do next. Probably at best the police could put a restraining order against RI with all that he had done (at least according to the reports) and then all that would have done was cause the locker room to turn against Martin in that situation. Plus not sure how the legality of that would all work considering they both work in the same building.

Pretty sure they have turned against him, still..



Again...this is a grown man with a shit ton of money...not a child.

Make grown man decisions. If you feel you family is in danger, you go to the authorities. Going to your coach is not enough.

 

[cdumler7]

Pretty sure they have turned against him, still..



Again...this is a grown man with a shit ton of money...not a child.

Make grown man decisions. If you feel you family is in danger, you go to the authorities. Going to your coach is not enough.

Sometimes I wish those who would make stupid comments like this would then have to experience it for themselves and see if they would still say the same thing they did before. My guess is you will never be a grown man let alone one with a "shit ton of money" so I guess we shall never know.

 

[beardown07]

Sometimes I wish those who would make stupid comments like this would then have to experience it for themselves and see if they would still say the same thing they did before. My guess is you will never be a grown man let alone one with a "shit ton of money" so I guess we shall never know.

Or, I guess he could take it in the ass for 2 years, and then walk out.


RI is a puke. But, it's just hard for me to believe there was legitimate fear involved, if Martin allowed it to continue for that long.


Why didn't he bail two years ago? '


Again, we don't know what he did...but you would think that if an NFL player went to the authorities 2 years ago with death threats, we woulda heard about it before now.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Read what Incognito said and definitely have to agree.

I mean you threaten a guy, threaten his mom, call him racial slurs, use a lot of obscenities via both voice/text, etc... honestly I'm cool with all that. But then you go and call the guy a ROOKIE? That's crossing the line.

Hopefully Incognito is forced out of the league.

 

[Ironbreaker]

Surprised he hasnt had his teeth kicked in running around spamming the word ****er.

 

[RobToxin]

Let's see, beyond getting kicked out of Nebraska and Oregon...

Tony Dungy, Scott Pioli say Richie Incognito was off draft boards - CBSSports.com

Hindsight is totally my favorite way to see things. Everything is much more clear. Like if you're a former NFL executive or NFL coach, now would be a good time to point out that you wouldn't have drafted Richie Incognito.

Over the past 24 hours, former Colts/Buccaneers coach Tony Dungy and former Patriots/Chiefs executive Scott Pioli did just that. (Incognito, by the way, was suspended indefinitely on Sunday by the Dolphins over a bullying/hazing/locker room incident with fellow lineman Jonathan Martin.)

"I didn't want him coming out [of college], and I don't want him now," Pioli said on NBC Sunday night.

Pioli beat on Incognito pretty hard, noting that if Incognito's a leader in your locker room then your locker room has a leadership problem. That's certainly a fair stance.

When Incognito was drafted in 2005, Pioli was with the Patriots. They've been known to take a gamble or two on players lacking in perfect personal history. That he would have such a strong opinion of Incognito tells you something.

The Colts felt the same way apparently. Dungy said on the Dan Patrick Show that Incognito was placed on Indy's "DNDC" list. What does that stand for?

"Do not draft because of character."

Dungy added that hazing isn't something that has to happen but rather something that's allowed to happen.

"It doesn't happen everywhere," Dungy said. "It happens where you allow it to happen."

Former Colts GM Bill Polian echoed similar sentiments on SportsCenter Monday. Polian said Indianapolis had "a very strong anti-hazing and anti-bullying policy" when he and Dungy ran the team and that the policy was "enforced" by leaders in the locker room.

This is something the Dolphins clearly don't have. It's always easier to criticize in hindsight, but it's quite clear something went seriously amiss while Miami was building their locker-room culture.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Obviously I don't know the details but these are grown men. Stick up for yourself. Somebody is going above and beyond with their antagonizing, say something. If they are relentless say listen asshole, cross the line one more time and I'm knocking your teeth down your fucking throat. Boom, problem solved.

 

[SonnyCID]

Obviously I don't know the details but these are grown men. Stick up for yourself. Somebody is going above and beyond with their antagonizing, say something. If they are relentless say listen asshole, cross the line one more time and I'm knocking your teeth down your fucking throat. Boom, problem solved.

Not really disagreeing with your approach, but telling someone that you will be "knocking your teeth down you fucking throat" rarely solves the problem.

 

[Ironbreaker]

Not sure Cognito is the type to let a verbal threat scare him.

I don't think beating his ass would solve anything either. Would make me feel better until he stalks and knifes my mother.

He's unstable. Trouble throughout his career.

Some people are just stupid and you can't fix that. He's on his way to jail. Only a matter of time.

 

[Smart]

Again I doubt you understand the full extent of how bad bullying can be to some. There is a reason that some get to the point of even killing themselves. You would think with all that is coming out in the media recently about kids killing themselves over bullying you would understand how serious this can get. Parents of many of these kids took this information to the school districts and even to the police and nothing would get done. They would say they would look into it and until the kid actually killed themselves rarely took action.

I'm sorry, and I know this is a particularly sore topic on this board, but when somebody kills themselves, it is their choice. Nobody kills themselves because of bullying. Bullying might make somebody's life worse, but so do a lot of things. Saying a decision to kill oneself is because of bullying misses the complexity of human life and death and is sort of infantilizing to the dead. There are outlets out there for everybody to solve any bullying problems. And i'm sorry, but most police departments and individuals are OVERreactive of bullying, not the contrary. The only thing statements like that are doing is sending a norm that it normal, hell even heroic, to react to simple bullying with death.

I am with BearDown here. The "anything people do because of bullying is rational because bullying is evil" bullshit needs to stop. There is a wrong way to handle bullying. And Martin seems like the classic example.

This especially worries me in a sports sense where psychology is so important. Maybe Incognito is a douche because he is one of those people that thrives on a "me versus the world" rationale. If this hurts the team (as it likely did), they have every right to suspend him. But I fear a world where our athletes are told to be completely streamlined because that is politically correct. It's the type of attitude that leads to situations like they have in Europe where people are kicked off Olympic teams for their (perfectly rational) beliefs. We obviously aren't there yet, but the slippery slope scares the shit out of me.

 

[beardown07]

Sounds like they are both unstable....the perfect storm of retards.