Phil Jackson Does Not Like Today's NBA Basketball

[Shanemansj13]

Bulls, Lakers with Phil and that triangle won what 10 titles? Both teams did nada before he got there. Yeah Kobe and MJ went ISO when they needed a big shot or the Lakers went inside to Shaq daddy, but it wasn't ISO the whole game. THe triangle was a selfless offense. Which is why Kobe and MJ never won a dam thing until FLIP showed up. C'mon man!

Now it is ISO most of the game. Phil brings balance to any team (without Melo) and that's exactly what Steve Kerr did in Golden St.

It was still a lot of iso, you could even say that Lebron (when he had healthy teammates) played just as much team ball and even more. It's just Phil had a better system and it worked with the players.

What I get from this statement is, he thinks he can say whatever he wants bc he has a shit ton of rings.This statement, although partly true, makes him look somewhat idiotic. He was probably the greatest coach ever, but now he is a GM and has a lot to work with this season. Lets see if he can turn the Knicks around.

 

[trojanfan12]

Personally, I always thought that Phil was a better manager of ego's than a basketball coach. The triangle offense that he's famous for, isn't even his offense, it's Tex Winters offense.

 

[SJ76]

It was still a lot of iso, you could even say that Lebron (when he had healthy teammates) played just as much team ball and even more. It's just Phil had a better system and it worked with the players.

What I get from this statement is, he thinks he can say whatever he wants bc he has a shit ton of rings.This statement, although partly true, makes him look somewhat idiotic. He was probably the greatest coach ever, but now he is a GM and has a lot to work with this season. Lets see if he can turn the Knicks around.

Pre-Phil Jackson the Lakers (Kobe) and Bulls (MJ) were a shit ton of ISO. And it wasn't working.

The game today is a lot of 1 on 1 and 4 guys standing. I'm not blaming Bron for trying to take the game into his own hands.. but Back then, you didn't have as much ISO throughout the league as you do now and it can be boring. Phil preached and still preaches selfless bball, but if Kobe or MJ or Shaq had a mis-match, then yeah it was take advantage of the mis-match.

Think about the last few teams that won it all. Spurs, Heat, GS all played great team/unselfish bball. The majority of the NBA is not like that, but the TEAM that holds the trophy will always be the one that moves the ball to find the open man, along with plays great D.

Now what Phil said about traveling..? I dunno but I know Mike did a lot of flying back then. But that's nickel and dime shit - the NBA has always been 2.5/3 big ass steps.

 

[SJ76]

I think Phil is just tired of not being relevant in May/June and seeing Kerr win it all after Stevie turned down the Knicks job just pisses him off.

 

[gordontrue]

As for his travelling gripe...

I watch LeBron James, for example. He might [travel] every other time he catches the basketball if he's off the ball. He catches the ball, moves both his feet. You see it happen all the time.

... someone needs to teach Phil the NBA rules:

A player who receives the ball while moving is allowed a two count rhythm but must release the ball prior to the third step touching the floor

 

[wildturkey]

Well at least these comments weren't as downright embarrassing as his 3 pointer comments (complete with "goink" )from a few weeks ago.

The traveling thing is a ridiculous thing to bring up. Gordontrue posted the rule and really, travels on catching haven't been called in like 30 years. Whether its on the catch or a player takes an extra step gathering for a shot, its RARELY called and its been that way for decades, including the two Jackson coached in.

The ball movement thing seems off base. Not sure what his complaint is. There's a lot more of it today as compared to 90s Jackson coached in. Yeah, the PnR is used more, but its not just two guys. There's usually more people involved and the entire floor is used if the offense is designed well. Maybe he's just watching teams that aren't very good (aka the Knicks).

And its stupid to even bring up Lebron and the Cavs for his example as to what's wrong with NBA offenses. The Cavs had to totally abandon their offense in the playoffs and just rely on James. They had no choice. This sounds like the comments of a guy that didn't watch a single Cavs game until the Finals.

Phil is getting real close to turning into the crotchety old man that just complains about everything because it isn't 100% like it was back in his day

 

[hockey878]

Well at least these comments weren't as downright embarrassing as his 3 pointer comments (complete with "goink" )from a few weeks ago.

The traveling thing is a ridiculous thing to bring up. Gordontrue posted the rule and really, travels on catching haven't been called in like 30 years. Whether its on the catch or a player takes an extra step gathering for a shot, its RARELY called and its been that way for decades, including the two Jackson coached in.

The ball movement thing seems off base. Not sure what his complaint is. There's a lot more of it today as compared to 90s Jackson coached in. Yeah, the PnR is used more, but its not just two guys. There's usually more people involved and the entire floor is used if the offense is designed well. Maybe he's just watching teams that aren't very good (aka the Knicks).

And its stupid to even bring up Lebron and the Cavs for his example as to what's wrong with NBA offenses. The Cavs had to totally abandon their offense in the playoffs and just rely on James. They had no choice. This sounds like the comments of a guy that didn't watch a single Cavs game until the Finals.

Phil is getting real close to turning into the crotchety old man that just complains about everything because it isn't 100% like it was back in his day

this whole post is spot on, but particularly the bolded IMO. PnR is essentially used to initiate the offense. You put the defense in a bind with your best players and force the D to make a lot of decisions quickly.

Do you help and leave shooters?
Do you switch and end up with a mismatch?
Trap? Hedge? Go under? Over?

PnR is just used to bend the D to get the offense going, a lot of teams run all kinds of back screens etc off the ball while the PnR is happening to help exacerbate the problems. Once the PnR is in action the ball handler just reads what happens and makes the best play and it can be DEADLY. Look at that spurs TEAM last year. almost everything originates off of PnR followed by ball movement and great passing/cutting.

We are in an era where everyone is so aware of analytics/efficiency. The reason teams keep pounding the PnR is because it tends to create the MOST efficient plays in basketball (especially when you have great personnel, shooters, rollers, creaters) which are dunks, layups and 3pt shots. Everyone is aware now how a 22 footer just inside the line is a horrible shot.

People complain that the "mid range game died" but thats because it is the LEAST desirable/efficient shot in the game. Sure, you need to have it in your arsenal, because that is also the shot the D wants to make you take (See LeBron), but teams now know they shouldn't be working to get those shots.

There is a reason NBA offenses feature what is being called "spread PnR" and its because it creates devastatingly efficient shots with minimal effort. It forces the D to all move as one and be alert. Teams have gotten really good at knowing who to guard/who to let shoot (Tony Allen, or Iguodala in this playoffs) sure iggy made shots, but the cavs left him open and even had Mozgov on him. This attention to detail didn't exist at this high a level in previous eras. And it makes it harder to just toss it into the post and create good shots because teams A) Don't have to make 15 decisions in about 2 seconds B) Know exactly who to help from and leave open. The rotations are easier/more clear cut and there is less variability IMO.

just my 7 or 8 cents on the matter

 

[purguy12]

I dont blame him. Its so soft and the way they let players like LBJ travel like 50% of the time and all these moving picks that don't get called. A lot of these pick plays is like a Olineman blocking for a RB. The NBA doesnt mind it because it means more scoring.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Bulls were all MJ until Phil got to Chicago. 64 points at the garden in the playoffs.. MJ tried to beat the Celtics/Pistons by himself. It looked a lot like what Lebron was doing in the 2015 playoffs - 25/30 shots a game give or take. The triangle offense worked pretty good for the Bulls obviously once Phil showed up, but it took a few years. Of course at the end of the game, MJ would get a shot or create one for someone else..

Lakers were also a mess before Phil got there. Shaq was about to strangle Kobe. Phil turned them into a more selfless team. And don't forget the man Phil wanted to coach the Knicks was Kerr and Kerr was obviously smart. But until Phil can get Melo to buy into a selfless team concept, the knicks are going nowhere.

I have to agree with Phil when he says, "you see a lot of 1 on 1 out there with 4 guys standing around".

The playoffs were still good this year tho.

The Lakers were a mess before PJ got there. You might want to recheck your facts. PJ put them over the top, they were far from Being a mess.

#Gottaloverevisionists

 

[SJ76]

The Lakers were a mess before PJ got there. You might want to recheck your facts. PJ put them over the top, they were far from Being a mess.

#Gottaloverevisionists

All I know is Shaq was about to strangle Kobe and they couldn't win a title.

 

[Shanemansj13]

The New York Knicks finished with the worst record in franchise history in 2014-15. So what does the team president think about his job performance?

"I did a great job last year, shedding [contracts] to put us in a position where we have this flexibility,” Phil Jackson said Tuesday.

In an earlier interview with The New York Times, Jackson said he deserved a vote for executive of the year.

Some Knicks fans might have an issue with how Jackson has portrayed his first year as team president. The Knicks finished with a franchise-low 17 wins and suffered through losing streaks of 16 and 10 games.


The viagra is getting to his head literally lol

 

[trojanfan12]

Well at least these comments weren't as downright embarrassing as his 3 pointer comments (complete with "goink" )from a few weeks ago.

The traveling thing is a ridiculous thing to bring up. Gordontrue posted the rule and really, travels on catching haven't been called in like 30 years. Whether its on the catch or a player takes an extra step gathering for a shot, its RARELY called and its been that way for decades, including the two Jackson coached in.

The ball movement thing seems off base. Not sure what his complaint is. There's a lot more of it today as compared to 90s Jackson coached in. Yeah, the PnR is used more, but its not just two guys. There's usually more people involved and the entire floor is used if the offense is designed well. Maybe he's just watching teams that aren't very good (aka the Knicks).

And its stupid to even bring up Lebron and the Cavs for his example as to what's wrong with NBA offenses. The Cavs had to totally abandon their offense in the playoffs and just rely on James. They had no choice. This sounds like the comments of a guy that didn't watch a single Cavs game until the Finals.

Phil is getting real close to turning into the crotchety old man that just complains about everything because it isn't 100% like it was back in his day

Agree. As another poster pointed out, the Cavs had seemed to figure it out offensively and their ball movement was pretty darn good. That's a big part of why they finished the season so strong.

On the travelling, 2 of Phil's biggest stars that played for him used to get away with travelling all of the time. People complained about 3 steps for MJ on his drives throughout his entire career. Shaq used to do a little "bunny hop" when he would get the ball in the post before going up for a dunk or layup.

 

[LAD]

Pre-Phil Jackson the Lakers (Kobe) and Bulls (MJ) were a shit ton of ISO. And it wasn't working.

The game today is a lot of 1 on 1 and 4 guys standing. I'm not blaming Bron for trying to take the game into his own hands.. but Back then, you didn't have as much ISO throughout the league as you do now and it can be boring. Phil preached and still preaches selfless bball, but if Kobe or MJ or Shaq had a mis-match, then yeah it was take advantage of the mis-match.

Think about the last few teams that won it all. Spurs, Heat, GS all played great team/unselfish bball. The majority of the NBA is not like that, but the TEAM that holds the trophy will always be the one that moves the ball to find the open man, along with plays great D.

Now what Phil said about traveling..? I dunno but I know Mike did a lot of flying back then. But that's nickel and dime shit - the NBA has always been 2.5/3 big ass steps.

I'm not sure why the league lets LBJ travel on just about every play. That part of his comment imo was dead on.

 

[LAD]

I think Phil is just tired of not being relevant in May/June and seeing Kerr win it all after Stevie turned down the Knicks job just pisses him off.

If this were true then why jump on LBJ's case & praise the Warriors for demonstrating team ball?

 

[LAD]

this whole post is spot on, but particularly the bolded IMO. PnR is essentially used to initiate the offense. You put the defense in a bind with your best players and force the D to make a lot of decisions quickly.

Do you help and leave shooters?
Do you switch and end up with a mismatch?
Trap? Hedge? Go under? Over?

PnR is just used to bend the D to get the offense going, a lot of teams run all kinds of back screens etc off the ball while the PnR is happening to help exacerbate the problems. Once the PnR is in action the ball handler just reads what happens and makes the best play and it can be DEADLY. Look at that spurs TEAM last year. almost everything originates off of PnR followed by ball movement and great passing/cutting.

We are in an era where everyone is so aware of analytics/efficiency. The reason teams keep pounding the PnR is because it tends to create the MOST efficient plays in basketball (especially when you have great personnel, shooters, rollers, creaters) which are dunks, layups and 3pt shots. Everyone is aware now how a 22 footer just inside the line is a horrible shot.

People complain that the "mid range game died" but thats because it is the LEAST desirable/efficient shot in the game. Sure, you need to have it in your arsenal, because that is also the shot the D wants to make you take (See LeBron), but teams now know they shouldn't be working to get those shots.

There is a reason NBA offenses feature what is being called "spread PnR" and its because it creates devastatingly efficient shots with minimal effort. It forces the D to all move as one and be alert. Teams have gotten really good at knowing who to guard/who to let shoot (Tony Allen, or Iguodala in this playoffs) sure iggy made shots, but the cavs left him open and even had Mozgov on him. This attention to detail didn't exist at this high a level in previous eras. And it makes it harder to just toss it into the post and create good shots because teams A) Don't have to make 15 decisions in about 2 seconds B) Know exactly who to help from and leave open. The rotations are easier/more clear cut and there is less variability IMO.

just my 7 or 8 cents on the matter

I agree...and the Warriors would run the same play, PnR, over n over until someone was open to take a shot or until the clock ran down.

 

[LAD]

The New York Knicks finished with the worst record in franchise history in 2014-15. So what does the team president think about his job performance?

"I did a great job last year, shedding [contracts] to put us in a position where we have this flexibility,” Phil Jackson said Tuesday.

In an earlier interview with The New York Times, Jackson said he deserved a vote for executive of the year.

Some Knicks fans might have an issue with how Jackson has portrayed his first year as team president. The Knicks finished with a franchise-low 17 wins and suffered through losing streaks of 16 and 10 games.


The viagra is getting to his head literally lol

Honestly, what could he have done differently in his first year that would've made the team better than the previous year? Shedding contracts is just a start that could lead to other good changes imo.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Honestly, what could he have done differently in his first year that would've made the team better than the previous year? Shedding contracts is just a start that could lead to other good changes imo.

The smart thing to do is dont say anything at all, he has made himself look like an idiot the last couple days. Executive of the Year LOL. No chance in hell. Asinine comment on his part.

 

[Cyder]

If I lost 65 games in a year I'd dislike basketball too

 

[LAD]

The smart thing to do is dont say anything at all, he has made himself look like an idiot the last couple days. Executive of the Year LOL. No chance in hell. Asinine comment on his part.

So basically, you don't know how he could've done a better job in his first season as President? Maybe you should've taken your own advice and just stayed quiet as well?

 

[LAD]

If I lost 65 games in a year I'd dislike basketball too

JC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How ya been???