OK my new wish list for the first 3 picks

[Hangman]

Pick 31 Hankins DE
Pick 34 Jenkins NG
Pick 61 (I hope they move up higher in the second to about 45) Hunter.

The Defensive line would be stout. The holes for running would be non-existent and the holes for Willis, Bowman, and Smith would be huge. And Hunter would be a great WR to go with Crabtree and Jenkins.

My other hope is that the niners trade the 34th pick for a next years first to say the Bills or the Jaguars. Get lucky get the first over all selection and draft Clowney.

 

[justforkicks]

I wouldn't mind the first two picks, it'd be similar to the ADavis/Iupati draft, 'cept on the other side of the ball.

 

[NinerSickness]

Pick 31 Hankins DE
Pick 34 Jenkins NG
Pick 61 (I hope they move up higher in the second to about 45) Hunter.

The Defensive line would be stout. The holes for running would be non-existent and the holes for Willis, Bowman, and Smith would be huge. And Hunter would be a great WR to go with Crabtree and Jenkins.

My other hope is that the niners trade the 34th pick for a next years first to say the Bills or the Jaguars. Get lucky get the first over all selection and draft Clowney.

I'm with you on Hankins (obviously), but I think he would be a NT in the Niners' defense more downs than not. Which would make drafting Jenkins redundant (although it would be a great pick at 34).

No way Hunter lasts 'til 61, and if he's on the board at 45 than most of the GMs in the NFL need to be slapped upside the head.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

I'm against taking a NT high. We can get a late round plugger imo. Sop literally only played about 30% of the snaps in our defense last season. I see a 34DE/43DT as a bigger need. I also feel we re-sign Sop anyway.

 

[EaseUrStorm]

I'd be down with going after a versatile NT high who we can leave on the field for three downs. With this discussion, why don't we just use Hankins in this role for a year, and then shift him over to DE to replace J. Smith in the future? Wouldn't be a bad way to go.

Sopoaga can play both DE and NT, but he doesn't collapse the pocket or provide any pass rush which is why he's off the field. But if we got a pocket collapsing NT, or a tweener type with pass rushing skills, it would definitely be worthy a 1st Rd pick because that type of player would get way more playing time than we saw from Soap at the end of the year.

 

[I_am_1z]

31 Jonathan Banks
34 Darius Slay
61 William Gholston

 

[bigninerfan56]

I'm against taking a NT high. We can get a late round plugger imo. Sop literally only played about 30% of the snaps in our defense last season. I see a 34DE/43DT as a bigger need. I also feel we re-sign Sop anyway.

I'm starting to think like this too. I've like John Jenkins for a long time, but he doesn't seem like the type of NT that the 49ers and Harbaugh have typically had. The team needs to address the position in the draft though, but somewhere later probably.

 

[deep9er]

I'm against taking a NT high. We can get a late round plugger imo. Sop literally only played about 30% of the snaps in our defense last season. I see a 34DE/43DT as a bigger need. I also feel we re-sign Sop anyway.

agree we should go DE before NT "all things equal", the NFL has gone more pass and don't think there are really any "3 down" NT's?

also depends on your definition of 'high'? agree it isn't a huge deal if we don't use the 1st, nor even the Chief's 2nd. but if a NT is the value at our 2nd, IMO draft him.

 

[TobyTyler]

Pick 31 Hankins DE
Pick 34 Jenkins NG
Pick 61 (I hope they move up higher in the second to about 45) Hunter.

The Defensive line would be stout. The holes for running would be non-existent and the holes for Willis, Bowman, and Smith would be huge. And Hunter would be a great WR to go with Crabtree and Jenkins.

My other hope is that the niners trade the 34th pick for a next years first to say the Bills or the Jaguars. Get lucky get the first over all selection and draft Clowney.

Trade # 31 and # 34 for a top 5 pick if possible and get someone really good.

 

[4lifer9er]

agree we should go DE before NT "all things equal", the NFL has gone more pass and don't think there are really any "3 down" NT's?

also depends on your definition of 'high'? agree it isn't a huge deal if we don't use the 1st, nor even the Chief's 2nd. but if a NT is the value at our 2nd, IMO draft him.

But who could the value there? Not startin shit, but do you think that Hankins or Jenkins would be there? Personally I dont. I think the best fit would be Brandon Williams later. Or, do you think that Williams will end up being the value at the end of the second?

 

[deep9er]

But who could the value there? Not startin shit, but do you think that Hankins or Jenkins would be there? Personally I dont. I think the best fit would be Brandon Williams later. Or, do you think that Williams will end up being the value at the end of the second?

obviously, we're giving up a little talent, but NT's mainly stop the run. we like to think they can collapse the pocket, but it doesn't occur often enough.

then there's the passing trend which removes the NT around 70% of the time. so i'd give up a little talent that plays a third of the defensive snaps.

in general, we all want a solid NT.....know how important it is, but we only have so many high picks. so rather we address a spot to play 2/3 of the defensive snaps.

 

[Ltrain]

Trade # 31 and # 34 for a top 5 pick if possible and get someone really good.

I don't mind the idea, but it would probably take at least our first 3 picks to get in the 1st round top 5 (probably around the 8th pick) according to the chart below. If we traded 31 and 34 we could move up to around the 13 spot. If we traded 31 and 61 we could move down to 18-19 spot. I guess it depends on who's falling to see if it makes sense.

Walters Football Site: NFL Draft Value Chart

 

[Jikkle]

Trade # 31 and # 34 for a top 5 pick if possible and get someone really good.

For starters it would cost more than that as it cost the Falcons 2 1st, a 2nd, and 2 4th round picks to move from 27 to 6.

And secondly it's not a strong top half of the draft. Most draftniks are saying it's short on impact at the top but loaded with depth at the bottom. Basically it's a great year to have a late 1st and early 2nd.

If you're talking 2011 with a really strong top of the draft I could see entertaining the idea of moving up.

 

[dredinis21]

To anyone who has watched Hankins play with regularity, I pose these questions. Is Hankins athletic enough with a good enough motor to be able to play DE if we were to draft a late round run stuffing NT as well? Is this a guy that we could develop to be a Ngata-type, where he plays primarily NT early in his career, then gets switched to DE? I have not watched Hankins much and base my knowledge of him mainly through scouting reports, youtube vids, etc.

 

[Tubbs1518]

To anyone who has watched Hankins play with regularity, I pose these questions. Is Hankins athletic enough with a good enough motor to be able to play DE if we were to draft a late round run stuffing NT as well? Is this a guy that we could develop to be a Ngata-type, where he plays primarily NT early in his career, then gets switched to DE? I have not watched Hankins much and base my knowledge of him mainly through scouting reports, youtube vids, etc.

He isn't nearly as athletic as Ngata, but he is really strong and a damn good player.

 

[NinerSickness]

To anyone who has watched Hankins play with regularity, I pose these questions. Is Hankins athletic enough with a good enough motor to be able to play DE if we were to draft a late round run stuffing NT as well? Is this a guy that we could develop to be a Ngata-type, where he plays primarily NT early in his career, then gets switched to DE? I have not watched Hankins much and base my knowledge of him mainly through scouting reports, youtube vids, etc.

Here's my analysis of Hankins:

He has amazing functional strength & balance. Very efficient movement. He's quick enough to run around some left tackles, and he's strong enough to push an OG into the QB. I've never seen him run over, and I rarely see him pushed back on running plays (and when I do see it, it's usually when he's doubled).

He's a big guy, but he doesn't get lazy in terms of technique. Throughout the game, I keep seeing a consistent hand punch. He's just a bully. He's almost always the strongest guy on the field, and he looks like he's in great condition.

He doesn't have an amazing first step, but it's not like he's a 4-3 DE. At NT, strength is far more important (obviously). He's not very fast when he gets going, but then again, he'd be primarily a NT.

I don't like him as a full time DE, but he's my favourite NT prospect in the draft. And that includes Star Lotulelei.

Lower body strength is great, and he's only 21. He hasn't even fully matured yet. He'll probably get 10 pounds bigger in the NFL without raising his body fat percentage.

 

[NinerSickness]

To continue what I was saying about Hankins:

The Niners don't use the same NT on every play. Sopoaga played like 1/3 of the snaps. This is another reason why Hankins is a perfect fit in SF if they sign a DL like Richard Seymour. Hankins is a guy who's gonna wear down over the course of the season if he's used too much. The Niners wouldn't use him too much IMO.

I'd love it if they could get Hankins to play about 1/3 of the plays & Seymour (or another FA DE) to play about 33-50% of the plays.

Then get a pss-rush specialist (Osi? Draft pick?) to play maybe 25-33% of the plays at OLB and everyone (including Aldon) plays fewer snaps.

 

[Flyingiguana]

I'm against taking a NT high. We can get a late round plugger imo. Sop literally only played about 30% of the snaps in our defense last season. I see a 34DE/43DT as a bigger need. I also feel we re-sign Sop anyway.

We need a big time nt. They can make or break a 3-4. we get away w/o one because of smith.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Hunter at 61? WTF?

 

[deep9er]

We need a big time nt. They can make or break a 3-4. we get away w/o one because of smith.

yes, we do need a good NT, but the question is how high a pick for a player in on 30% of snaps?

shouldn't we spend our high pick on a player playing every down? or playing at least 50% of the snaps, like Aldon did his rookie year?

if you have a monster NT available at 31st, then scrap this argument. cause then he'd likely be our BPA. (asssuming both Sop and RJF are gone)