Offseason Discussion-2013 Edition

[filosofy29]

Affeldt to get three years from SabeySabes

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I hope it's no over $5m per. I could definitely live with a 3 year $15m contract.

 

[tzill]

I hope it's no over $5m per. I could definitely live with a 3 year $15m contract.

It's in the $5MM to $6.5MM range:

Giants Discussing Three-Year Deal With Affeldt: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

 

[tzill]

Gs interested in Swish:

Six Teams Interested In Nick Swisher: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

Would you take him for 3/36? Lineup might look like this:

Blanco CF
Scoots 2B
MVP C
Panda 3B
Swish LF
Herk RF
Belt 1B
Fish SS

Hmmmm......

 

[calsnowskier]

What is his D like?

His bat is OK, but he played in the Spankee lineup and in Spankee Stadium. How will his production be affected by AT&T?

Add to this that he got a QO, and I am not that excited to go after him. He doesn't seem like the kind of player the giants should be targeting.

 

[iHATEdodgers]

What is his D like?

His bat is OK, but he played in the Spankee lineup and in Spankee Stadium. How will his production be affected by AT&T?

Add to this that he got a QO, and I am not that excited to go after him. He doesn't seem like the kind of player the giants should be targeting.

His D looked like shit in the playoffs... So did his bat. And when I say looked like shit I mean he suuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccckkkkkked in he playoffs and always has. So unclutch. Career .169 in the playoffs in 154 ABs.

I would be really disappointed if we signed him.

 

[filosofy29]

Gs interested in Swish:

Six Teams Interested In Nick Swisher: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

Would you take him for 3/36? Lineup might look like this:

Blanco CF
Scoots 2B
MVP C
Panda 3B
Swish LF
Herk RF
Belt 1B
Fish SS

Hmmmm......

I think I'd rather use that money to re-sign Pagan. I'll admit though I don't know much of how Swisher would fit our park.

 

[SFAnthem]

His D looked like shit in the playoffs... So did his bat. And when I say looked like shit I mean he suuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccckkkkkked in he playoffs and always has. So unclutch. Career .169 in the playoffs in 154 ABs.

I would be really disappointed if we signed him.

I think I'd rather use that money to re-sign Pagan. I'll admit though I don't know much of how Swisher would fit our park.

Yes, let's leave the washed up vets signing in the past.

 

[sfsportsfan]

as someone whos been barking up the Swish-tree for a while now, keep in mind he did hit homers in Oakland,which isnt exactly a hitters park. in fact, he only hit 25 more homers in NY than he did in Oak in 140 less AB's.

 

[tzill]

What is his D like?

His bat is OK, but he played in the Spankee lineup and in Spankee Stadium. How will his production be affected by AT&T?

Add to this that he got a QO, and I am not that excited to go after him. He doesn't seem like the kind of player the giants should be targeting.

Good arguments. He's right around average defensively. His dWAR the last three years is -0.8, -1.4, -.04. So, while not great, certainly not a disaster. He'd be in LF. It would cost us our first round pick, which would be the last in the round (heh, heh, heh). Some Swish stats (HR, RBI, avg/obp/slg, OPS+, WAR)

2010: 29, 89, 288/359/511, 129, 3.4
2011: 23, 85, 260/374/449, 120, 1.5
2012: 24, 93, 272/364/473, 126, 3.5

He's durable (148+ games every year for the past seven years), he's still in his prime (31), he's a good clubhouse guy.

If we could get him for 3/36 I'd do it, unless we bring back Melky (who I would prefer).

 

[tzill]

Yes, let's leave the washed up vets signing in the past.

Re: Swish -- that's just a silly statement.

 

[tzill]

Looks like Agent Ned is looking to dump Queefier:

Report -- Los Angeles Dodgers chasing free agent Torii Hunter - ESPN Los Angeles

 

[SFAnthem]

Re: Swish -- that's just a silly statement.

lol

SSS alert: what I saw in the playoffs looked like an old man playing the outfield.
We're looking at paying for swisher at 32 - 34 years old.

funny thing is, I wouldn't have minded if the Giants had made a move for him at the trade deadline

 

[calsnowskier]

I am just SUPER paranoid about going after players that have played for band box teams. The psychological effect of playing at AT&T, Petco (at least until this coming season), Safeco, etc affect a players road numbers. Conversely, playing in Spankee Stadium, Citizens, MinuteMaid, etc can have a rejuvenating effect.

Tread carefully.

 

[calsnowskier]

Good arguments. He's right around average defensively. His dWAR the last three years is -0.8, -1.4, -.04. So, while not great, certainly not a disaster. He'd be in LF. It would cost us our first round pick, which would be the last in the round (heh, heh, heh). Some Swish stats (HR, RBI, avg/obp/slg, OPS+, WAR)

2010: 29, 89, 288/359/511, 129, 3.4
2011: 23, 85, 260/374/449, 120, 1.5
2012: 24, 93, 272/364/473, 126, 3.5

He's durable (148+ games every year for the past seven years), he's still in his prime (31), he's a good clubhouse guy.

If we could get him for 3/36 I'd do it, unless we bring back Melky (who I would prefer).

actually, we pick 27, not 30. Not sure why. Marco?

 

[iHATEdodgers]

Good arguments. He's right around average defensively. His dWAR the last three years is -0.8, -1.4, -.04. So, while not great, certainly not a disaster. He'd be in LF. It would cost us our first round pick, which would be the last in the round (heh, heh, heh). Some Swish stats (HR, RBI, avg/obp/slg, OPS+, WAR)

2010: 29, 89, 288/359/511, 129, 3.4
2011: 23, 85, 260/374/449, 120, 1.5
2012: 24, 93, 272/364/473, 126, 3.5

He's durable (148+ games every year for the past seven years), he's still in his prime (31), he's a good clubhouse guy.

If we could get him for 3/36 I'd do it, unless we bring back Melky (who I would prefer).

It doesn't concern you that he's been near useless in the playoffs in his career? Also production drops off in Sept/Oct... I get the impression he just isn't very clutch, can't take the pressure.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Good arguments. He's right around average defensively. His dWAR the last three years is -0.8, -1.4, -.04. So, while not great, certainly not a disaster. He'd be in LF. It would cost us our first round pick, which would be the last in the round (heh, heh, heh).

I'm pretty sure that Washington will get the last pick, since they had the best in-season record in 2012. I believe that we will have pick 26 (just about where we picked Cain a decade ago).

 

[MarcoPolo]

actually, we pick 27, not 30. Not sure why. Marco?

Wow, two other posts right when I was typing my previous post.

Draft order is determined by previous year's in-season record. In case of tie, the season before that is used as tiebreaker. Oakland, Atlanta, and Giants all has the same record in 2012. My calculations (which could be wrong) show :

25-OAK (OAK HAD A WORSE RECORD THAN SFG AND ATL IN '11)
26-SFG (SFG HAD A WORSE RECORD THAN ATL IN '11)
27-ATL (ATL HAD A BETTER RECORD THAN SFG AND OAK IN '11)
28-NYY
29-CIN
30-WSN

 

[tzill]

I am just SUPER paranoid about going after players that have played for band box teams. The psychological effect of playing at AT&T, Petco (at least until this coming season), Safeco, etc affect a players road numbers. Conversely, playing in Spankee Stadium, Citizens, MinuteMaid, etc can have a rejuvenating effect.

Tread carefully.

OPS+ adjusts for that. You needn't be worried about Swish. He's solid.

 

[tzill]

It doesn't concern you that he's been near useless in the playoffs in his career? Also production drops off in Sept/Oct... I get the impression he just isn't very clutch, can't take the pressure.

Not very concerned. I seem to remember this #25 dude who was considered "unclutch" in the playoffs...until he wasn't. Also, hitting in GENERAL struggles in the playoffs, as rotations shorten and bullpens are used more often.

Moreover, you don't build your team for the playoffs, you build it to win the division. Swish would help do that.

 

[tzill]

I'm pretty sure that Washington will get the last pick, since they had the best in-season record in 2012. I believe that we will have pick 26 (just about where we picked Cain a decade ago).

Thanks Marco. I assumed the draft order was like the NBA and NFL drafts, wherein the champion picks last.