Offseason Discussion-2013 Edition

[gp956]

I'm calling it now, I wouldn't be surprised if LA is in it to the end.

 

[Stokes1931]

Hey guess what?

Fuck the Dodgers!

That's what! WOOT!

One of the all time great posts.

 

[ColinCoby]

Farking Doyers. Man oh man.

What's crazy is Timmeh's next contract will blow Greinke's out of the water if he rebounds this season.

 

[ColinCoby]

Farking Doyers Part 2 (Stats from Stark's article)

• Zack Greinke is about to earn approximately $147 million through 2018.
• Adrian Gonzalez is owed $127 million through 2018.
• Carl Crawford is due $102.5 million through 2017.
• Matt Kemp has $108 million coming through 2019.
• Andre Ethier is owed $85 million through 2017.

The Doyers' payroll for 2013 figures to be somewhere between $210 million and $220 million. And they haven't given Kershaw an extension yet.

 

[gp956]

Farking Doyers Part 2 (Stats from Stark's article)

• Zack Greinke is about to earn approximately $147 million through 2018.
• Adrian Gonzalez is owed $127 million through 2018.
• Carl Crawford is due $102.5 million through 2017.
• Matt Kemp has $108 million coming through 2019.
• Andre Ethier is owed $85 million through 2017.

The Doyers' payroll for 2013 figures to be somewhere between $210 million and $220 million. And they haven't given Kershaw an extension yet.

Good thing Mattingly is still their manager.

 

[gp956]

Farking Doyers. Man oh man.

What's crazy is Timmeh's next contract will blow Greinke's out of the water if he rebounds this season.

What are the odds for Timmy being a Giant in 2014? I'm thinking < 25% - and those are largely the odds of him having another off year.

 

[calsnowskier]

I'm calling it now, I wouldn't be surprised if LA is in it to the end.

Oh, no you di'n't!!

 

[Stokes1931]

Source -- Los Angeles Dodgers closing in on signing Zack Greinke - ESPN Los Angeles

In recent days, the Dodgers had grown discouraged by what they viewed as an astronomical asking price on Greinke, but apparently his representatives lowered their sights in the past 36 hours.

Hahahahaha. Good one.

 

[MarcoPolo]

The dodgers currently have *seven* starting pitchers under contract for at least $6M each. By decreasing salary (2013) : Greinke, Beckett, Lilly, Billingsley, Kershaw, Harang, Capuano. That's quite a logjam.

 

[tzill]

Assuming that goes down, they will have a 1-2 that rivals any team in the bigs.

Kershaw/Greinke
Cain/Lincecum
Strasbourg/Gonzalez
Verlander/Fister

Then throw in Kemp, Gonzalez, Crawford, the Arias wannabe...

They should be tough...

I don't think so. I don't think Greinke is in that class. For comparison:

Pitcher, Average ERA+ last three years, Average WAR last three years

Kershaw: 148, 6.0
Greinke: 106, 2.6

So, a pretty nice top two, but consider:

Cain: 123, 3.5
Tron: 116, 2.3

I just don't see Greinke as a top tier #2 guy. I'd expect Bum and maybe even Timmy to have better years than Greinke, as well as Cain and Tron. Simply put, he might be a #5 guy on the 2013 Giants.

Just sayin'

 

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

Dodgers reach deadline deal with Hyun Jin Ryu

 

[MarcoPolo]

Dodgers reach deadline deal with Hyun Jin Ryu

Oops, make that EIGHT starting pitchers ...

Dodgers sign Ryu Hyun-jin - CBSSports.com

Edit: Altho I haven't heard the details of the contract, so Hyun-jin may not be earning $6M in 2013 ...

 

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

6 year 36M

 

[calsnowskier]

With the 25.7M posting fee, that gets expensive. If he hits his incentives, the contact itself is worth 42M.

That makes him potentially a 11M / year pitcher.

Even the Spankees are starting to complain about is.

 

[Stokes1931]

With the 25.7M posting fee, that gets expensive. If he hits his incentives, the contact itself is worth 42M.

That makes him potentially a 11M / year pitcher.

Even the Spankees are starting to complain about is.

The phrase "like a drunken sailor" comes to mind. Secret Agent Ned has been let off his leash, and now has as much money has he has checks in the checkbook. Wonder how all this will end. They can't keep spending like this, can they?

 

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

random question. i was thinking about options for who could be a No.6 SP or just insurance. This may be a stretch but what about Brandon Webb. Give him a spring invite and if it goes well have him in a long relief or emergency rotation guy

 

[calsnowskier]

random question. i was thinking about options for who could be a No.6 SP or just insurance. This may be a stretch but what about Brandon Webb. Give him a spring invite and if it goes well have him in a long relief or emergency rotation guy

While it would be great, I do nt see the fit. The BEST he could do with the Giants (barring injury) is long relief. If he goes to a lesser team, he has a ceiling of the rotation.

He has enough upside potential to hold out for that.

 

[SF11704]

As much as I dislike what the Doyers are doing there is nothing that can be used to constrain them outside a 'salary' cap that is fix and can't be exceeded. I really don't see that happening. They did nothing to contain the NYY when they chose this same path so I don't see LA being much different. I'm a firm beliver that you can't purchase a WS 'winner' but I think you can purchase a 'playoff' contender. I think the NYY have done it to the tune of 18 out of the past 20 years. With LA having 280M per year from their TV deal I can see this being a long term strategy for them. It is what it is. I just want the Gmen to do whatever it takes to make them a playoff caliber team as well. Once you reach the playoffs then ...... as everyone has said .... it's just an SSS luckfest. A 220M team salary doesn't mean ... squat .... the WS is won the the field and it's not over a 162 game series .... all comes down to 7 critical games .... and some luck along the way

 

[msgkings322]

As much as I dislike what the Doyers are doing there is nothing that can be used to constrain them outside a 'salary' cap that is fix and can't be exceeded. I really don't see that happening. They did nothing to contain the NYY when they chose this same path so I don't see LA being much different. I'm a firm beliver that you can't purchase a WS 'winner' but I think you can purchase a 'playoff' contender. I think the NYY have done it to the tune of 18 out of the past 20 years. With LA having 280M per year from their TV deal I can see this being a long term strategy for them. It is what it is. I just want the Gmen to do whatever it takes to make them a playoff caliber team as well. Once you reach the playoffs then ...... as everyone has said .... it's just an SSS luckfest. A 220M team salary doesn't mean ... squat .... the WS is won the the field and it's not over a 162 game series .... all comes down to 7 critical games .... and some luck along the way

Well said. The only fly in this ointment is the new playoff structure. The Dodgers are going to try to buy the division title not just the playoffs, and they will probably succeed at least for some of the upcoming years. We might have a 'playoff caliber' team too, but if that's the wildcard then the SSS luckfest is ONE game. Ugh.

Now we know how it felt to be fans of Baltimore or Toronto or Tampa watching New York and then Boston just go bananas with the $.

 

[msgkings322]

Jonah Keri's latest on Greinke but also the even bigger megadeals yet to come

Pondering Zack Greinke's $147 Million Deal - The Triangle Blog - Grantland