Official Mariners arm-chair GM offseason thread 2018-2019

[mcnabb7542]

I could semi understand Jack Z being a bad GM, because inexperience in the FO and all that. But Jerry is a seasoned front office guy and he came in with a plan and has scrapped his philosophy. I maybe overly critical of him because I flat out don’t like people like him. And I hate as a fan my favorite baseball team is being used as a lab rat for him.

Yes but if the rat comes out the other end strong, better,faster he is going to be held to higher standard then all the other GMs this franchise has ever had

 

[Duders]

And I hate as a fan my favorite baseball team is being used as a lab rat for him.

And don't forget---as a lab rat for the manager.....his side kick Servais

 

[wazzu31]

Yes but if the rat comes out the other end strong, better,faster he is going to be held to higher standard then all the other GMs this franchise has ever had

No one in the organization will ever touch Woody Woodward IMO. He built a dynasty organization but was f’ed by the screwed up ownership fiasco. If Dipoto wins a WS as a GM for the Mariners I would be the first to admit I was wrong but I’d bet my house he will never win a WS as the GM of the M’s and by 2021 will find some other players or “experts” to blame. George Steinbrenner had less of an ego and I’m above you attitude than Jerry has.

 

[Mariners_44]

I could semi understand Jack Z being a bad GM, because inexperience in the FO and all that. But Jerry is a seasoned front office guy and he came in with a plan and has scrapped his philosophy. I maybe overly critical of him because I flat out don’t like people like him. And I hate as a fan my favorite baseball team is being used as a lab rat for him.

My point being that it’s not like JeDi was handed anything less than a dumpster fire from Jack Z. He did what he could with what he was handed, it clearly didn’t work, and now he’s tearing it down and starting over. Last year was a mirage of success I agree, but baseball isn’t flipped over night so to gauge where we are at solely on his shoulders isn’t accurate in my opinion. Where we end up in 2021 is a different story, his future in MLB as a GM rests on the success or lack there of come 2021. Either he gets fired or we win, no middle ground.

 

[Mariners_44]

Call it a gut feeling, but I don't think Haniger has peaked yet. If he stays healthy, I can see him being even better at the plate in 2019.

I would hate to trade Haniger, but if we do I would hate it even more if we did it this offseason. Haniger could get us a bigger deal mid season rather than unloading him now. My hope is that he can be that Wiley vet come 2021, but if he is to be moved I’d rather see it next year with another solid year behind him for values sake.

 

[SeattleCoug]

I could semi understand Jack Z being a bad GM, because inexperience in the FO and all that. But Jerry is a seasoned front office guy and he came in with a plan and has scrapped his philosophy. I maybe overly critical of him because I flat out don’t like people like him. And I hate as a fan my favorite baseball team is being used as a lab rat for him.

I hadnt actually considered that but yeah. Its not unfair to hold Jerry to a higher standard based on that.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Thank you, Robbie

The trade had to be made, but I'm really going to miss watching Robinson Cano play for the Mariners. His smooth defense and his beautiful swing will be missed.

Although he came here because of money, he'll go down as one of my favorite players to watch for the Mariners.

 

[ulmax]

I would hate to trade Haniger, but if we do I would hate it even more if we did it this offseason. Haniger could get us a bigger deal mid season rather than unloading him now. My hope is that he can be that Wiley vet come 2021, but if he is to be moved I’d rather see it next year with another solid year behind him for values sake.

if atlanta calls they have the ammo to get a haniger trade done

 

[wazzu31]

My point being that it’s not like JeDi was handed anything less than a dumpster fire from Jack Z. He did what he could with what he was handed, it clearly didn’t work, and now he’s tearing it down and starting over. Last year was a mirage of success I agree, but baseball isn’t flipped over night so to gauge where we are at solely on his shoulders isn’t accurate in my opinion. Where we end up in 2021 is a different story, his future in MLB as a GM rests on the success or lack there of come 2021. Either he gets fired or we win, no middle ground.

He wasn’t handed as bad of an organization that Jerry has made it though. Jack Z had a bottom third farm system, Jerry has made it the worst farm system in baseball in decades. Jack Z left two really bad contracts in Felix and Seager (I will still contend Seagers deal wasn’t bad at the) but regressed like no one business. Cano’s contract was fine as after his first year he has performed just as could have been asked. Jerry has made it where the only way Seattle can succeed is that they have to over pay for FA over even home grown talent because he has made a culture of instability so no agent is going to have their client come to Seattle, same way with real coaches, hence why they are hiring nobodies. Like I said I may be overly critical of Jerry but IMO he has made the organization ten times worse than Bavasi or Jack Z but brags that they had the worst collapse in their history and barely missed the playoffs even though they got passed by two teams who for the first two and a half months were tanking and have nowhere near the resources the Mariners have.

 

[Msfann]

About Seattle's new hockey team, I obviously don't expect Vegas like success right away. Expansion teams normally kinda suck for a while. Though it would be awesome.

So my question for you guys is which team reaches the playoffs first? The Mariners or the new NHL team.

 

[ulmax]

About Seattle's new hockey team, I obviously don't expect Vegas like success right away. Expansion teams normally kinda suck for a while. Though it would be awesome.

So my question for you guys is which team reaches the playoffs first? The Mariners or the new NHL team.

i would say mariners in 3-4 years....more of a guess...lol
i would have been able to see it in two
but they did not get enough pitching in the trades
but still
dunn may work out
but the ace seems..elusive

 

[seahawksfan234]

About Seattle's new hockey team, I obviously don't expect Vegas like success right away. Expansion teams normally kinda suck for a while. Though it would be awesome.

So my question for you guys is which team reaches the playoffs first? The Mariners or the new NHL team.

NHL definitely.

Really excited about the NHL coming to Seattle. I haven't ever followed the NHL, and I know nothing about hockey, but my friend convinced me to go to a Canucks game and I had a blast. I'm really excited for hockey to come to Seattle. I've never watched an NHL game on TV live, but I had a great time when I went.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

From everything I have read on Crawford is he is a much athletic Dustin Ackley in terms of prospect vs MLB ability. A can’t miss prospect everyone touted but can’t adjust to the MLB. Maybe he is young enough a change of scenery, especially one where there is zero expectations can’t hurt. The M’s have had 4 top 10 prospects in the past 9 years and 3 were shoved into “playoff expectations positions” in Smoak, Ackley and Zunino, the other just got hurt in Hultzen. Adam Jones was really the only other top guy since Felix and the Mariners jerked him around so much he couldn’t catch a fly ball in the outfield in his stint before the trade.

Maybe a change of towns could do well but this reminds me of Dom Brown all over again. Phils last regime refused to trade Brown cause he was the crown jewel and had many offers from teams but never paned out and still the Phils refused to trade him till basically he had little value left. JP was the crown jewel but this regime realizes he might not pan out so move on now and let him be someone else's problem. I hope I'm wrong and Crawford becomes a stud.

 

[wazzu31]

Maybe a change of towns could do well but this reminds me of Dom Brown all over again. Phils last regime refused to trade Brown cause he was the crown jewel and had many offers from teams but never paned out and still the Phils refused to trade him till basically he had little value left. JP was the crown jewel but this regime realizes he might not pan out so move on now and let him be someone else's problem. I hope I'm wrong and Crawford becomes a stud.

That’s my thing about Crawford/that Jerry traded Segura before Machado signs. Crawford may very well be Justin Smoak where just needs a new scenario to change his career path but just to me he isn’t is in the Adam Jones category where he was the number 1 guy but the big league club didn’t have a role for him and he struggled in his little time. And I do truly hope that is the case, as much as I despise Jerry I want the Mariners to win no matter who is in charge, I hated Pat Gillick too but wanted them to win and gladly gave money to ownership to enjoy the ride.

Just PR wise Segura’s value wasn’t as high as it should have been but trading with teams such as the Phillies when they have the leverage of if you say no they can just buy a better SS. But instead he essentially gave Machado’s agent a wet dream and gave Machado all the leverage in negotiations. It’s not often you have a trade chip who is near the level of the top free agent that wealthy teams will bid over and instead of letting a market play out he just deals him. Let teams outbid each other for Machado then have the left overs outbid for Segura. He literally had a trade deadline type trade available had he let it play out. I get dealing Paxton and Zunino as the risk reward for Paxton I can understand and the Zunino deal actually IMO was solid, but not only did he deal Segura in the deal, he took on a bad contract and dealt a deadline type steal in Pazos in it. Pazos was a less nationally known Andrew Miller when the Yankees dealt him. Maybe not get the haul that Miller did but got pennies on the dollar for him.

He swapped Nicassio for Santana and traded an all star SS and IMO a near elite specialist for a prospect who has failed to meet expectations. How in the hell is that a fair trade value wise.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

That’s my thing about Crawford/that Jerry traded Segura before Machado signs. Crawford may very well be Justin Smoak where just needs a new scenario to change his career path but just to me he isn’t is in the Adam Jones category where he was the number 1 guy but the big league club didn’t have a role for him and he struggled in his little time. And I do truly hope that is the case, as much as I despise Jerry I want the Mariners to win no matter who is in charge, I hated Pat Gillick too but wanted them to win and gladly gave money to ownership to enjoy the ride.

Just PR wise Segura’s value wasn’t as high as it should have been but trading with teams such as the Phillies when they have the leverage of if you say no they can just buy a better SS. But instead he essentially gave Machado’s agent a wet dream and gave Machado all the leverage in negotiations. It’s not often you have a trade chip who is near the level of the top free agent that wealthy teams will bid over and instead of letting a market play out he just deals him. Let teams outbid each other for Machado then have the left overs outbid for Segura. He literally had a trade deadline type trade available had he let it play out. I get dealing Paxton and Zunino as the risk reward for Paxton I can understand and the Zunino deal actually IMO was solid, but not only did he deal Segura in the deal, he took on a bad contract and dealt a deadline type steal in Pazos in it. Pazos was a less nationally known Andrew Miller when the Yankees dealt him. Maybe not get the haul that Miller did but got pennies on the dollar for him.

He swapped Nicassio for Santana and traded an all star SS and IMO a near elite specialist for a prospect who has failed to meet expectations. How in the hell is that a fair trade value wise.

I hear ya. I want the M's to win as well. The original trade I read was Segura/Diaz for Sixto Sanchez before the Mets jumped in. I wished Jerry did that trade.

 

[wazzu31]

I hear ya. I want the M's to win as well. The original trade I read was Segura/Diaz for Sixto Sanchez before the Mets jumped in. I wished Jerry did that trade.

I get tossing Diaz in to get rid of Cano had it been the original proposed trade. Segura/Diaz for Sanchez still isn’t a fair deal IMO. Just value wise trading two all stars for a top prospect doesn’t seem value unless it was Guerrero or Tatis. But I’m weary of dealing for pitchers when the GM’s philosophy is doing 6 man rotations or just having every starter go 5 innings. But it would have been a better deal than it ended up with what they got for 3 all stars in Cano/Diaz/Segura. 3 all stars for essentially 1 top 19 year old prospect.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I get tossing Diaz in to get rid of Cano had it been the original proposed trade. Segura/Diaz for Sanchez still isn’t a fair deal IMO. Just value wise trading two all stars for a top prospect doesn’t seem value unless it was Guerrero or Tatis. But I’m weary of dealing for pitchers when the GM’s philosophy is doing 6 man rotations or just having every starter go 5 innings. But it would have been a better deal than it ended up with what they got for 3 all stars in Cano/Diaz/Segura. 3 all stars for essentially 1 top 19 year old prospect.

Philly probably would have tossed other prospects in but getting the franchises top pitching prospect is difficult to get. Teams asked about him around the trade deadline and the Phils shot every single one down. I just feel Jerry is trading to trade but not maximizing the potential on returns.

 

[ulmax]

That’s my thing about Crawford/that Jerry traded Segura before Machado signs. Crawford may very well be Justin Smoak where just needs a new scenario to change his career path but just to me he isn’t is in the Adam Jones category where he was the number 1 guy but the big league club didn’t have a role for him and he struggled in his little time. And I do truly hope that is the case, as much as I despise Jerry I want the Mariners to win no matter who is in charge, I hated Pat Gillick too but wanted them to win and gladly gave money to ownership to enjoy the ride.

Just PR wise Segura’s value wasn’t as high as it should have been but trading with teams such as the Phillies when they have the leverage of if you say no they can just buy a better SS. But instead he essentially gave Machado’s agent a wet dream and gave Machado all the leverage in negotiations. It’s not often you have a trade chip who is near the level of the top free agent that wealthy teams will bid over and instead of letting a market play out he just deals him. Let teams outbid each other for Machado then have the left overs outbid for Segura. He literally had a trade deadline type trade available had he let it play out. I get dealing Paxton and Zunino as the risk reward for Paxton I can understand and the Zunino deal actually IMO was solid, but not only did he deal Segura in the deal, he took on a bad contract and dealt a deadline type steal in Pazos in it. Pazos was a less nationally known Andrew Miller when the Yankees dealt him. Maybe not get the haul that Miller did but got pennies on the dollar for him.

He swapped Nicassio for Santana and traded an all star SS and IMO a near elite specialist for a prospect who has failed to meet expectations. How in the hell is that a fair trade value wise.

agreed ...bad deal

and that was the good senario

 

[ulmax]

Philly probably would have tossed other prospects in but getting the franchises top pitching prospect is difficult to get. Teams asked about him around the trade deadline and the Phils shot every single one down. I just feel Jerry is trading to trade but not maximizing the potential on returns.

the mets and yankees deals were ok ..


on the phili deal
they did not need to get there top prospects..but players like irvin or leftwich would have done well

 

[wazzu31]

About Seattle's new hockey team, I obviously don't expect Vegas like success right away. Expansion teams normally kinda suck for a while. Though it would be awesome.

So my question for you guys is which team reaches the playoffs first? The Mariners or the new NHL team.

Easily the new Kraken team will. The NHL expansion draft is set up to make the expansion competitive right away, not necessarily Vegas good. Right now the expansion team not coming for 3 more years is closer to the playoffs than the Mariners are.