Series Thread: NLDS: San Francisco Giants vs. Chicago Cubs

[Nosferatu]

Again. Your argument from IS or STATUS QUO is invalid in its face.
The fact that a throw to first is super routine is valid, and then comparing it to all the variables we payed out when going to second??? It's a no brained to go to first.

This isn't little league... as you pointed out... so the routine-ness of going to first settled this debate

Okay, one more time, the throw to second is even more routine than the throw to first, it is without question easier to throw the ball on target 20 feet than it is 110 feet. None of the other shit you are trying to add to the argument matters at any level.

Just a piece of advice for future discussions, actually pay attention to facts others are giving you and don't continue to argue your point against said facts.

 

[Nosferatu]

LOLZZZ, come on Yoga...

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

As a Mets fan I can't fault you for thinking this but i'm in agreement with Moose here, the wildcard is perfect the way it is as a sudden death, if you don't wanna be in that situation win your division.

Baseball is a game of series after series after series all during the season.....

It shouldn't come down to 2 teams having to play just 1 game to see which one moves onto the next round after playing 162..when an easy doable simple best of 3 would be a much better format to determine who gets to play the team with the best league record.

But you're entitled to your opinion regardless....as am I.

 

[Nosferatu]

Baseball is a game of series after series after series all during the season.....

It shouldn't come down to 2 teams having to play just 1 game to see which one moves onto the next round after playing 162..when an easy doable simple best of 3 would be a much better format to determine who gets to play the team with the best league record.

But you're entitled to your opinion regardless....as am I.

The wildcard game was added simply to add some excitement to the end of the season and to give more teams and fans hope, it was not added to add an additional round to the playoffs. Again if you don't wanna play in a one game moves on situation win your division.

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

The wildcard game was added simply to add some excitement to the end of the season and to give more teams and fans hope, it was not added to add an additional round to the playoffs. Again if you don't wanna play in a one game moves on situation win your division.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.




like I said....

you're entitled to your opinion, regardless....as am I.

 

[ElTexan]

Okay, one more time, the throw to second is even more routine than the throw to first, it is without question easier to throw the ball on target 20 feet than it is 110 feet. None of the other shit you are trying to add to the argument matters at any level.

Just a piece of advice for future discussions, actually pay attention to facts others are giving you and don't continue to argue your point against said facts.

Yes. I PAT attentuon when you agree to the variables of runners getting a jump. 2b playing deep. 2b having to race runner to bag. 2b having to search for bag during throw. Fielder having to make a decision if it is worth it to throw to 2b.

And throwing to 1b takes out all those variables.

 

[TheStarOne]

I believe the Wildcard playoffs should be at least 3 games.......
Otherwise Wildcard winners are too much, on an equal footing, with Division champions in the playoffs.
The Wildcard winners should have to tire,(use) at least 2 starting pitchers.
And oh, by the way.......shorten the regular season.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Yes. I PAT attentuon when you agree to the variables of runners getting a jump. 2b playing deep. 2b having to race runner to bag. 2b having to search for bag during throw. Fielder having to make a decision if it is worth it to throw to 2b.

And throwing to 1b takes out all those variables.

You seriously underestimate the chemistry and competence of a MLB SS-2B combo. You're way overthinking this, this coming from a guy who overthinks nearly everything to death. And unless I am thinking of a very different play from the game, your concern is over the top paranoid. Even the worst infielders in the league can make that play look relatively simple as a matter of catch and throw.

 

[The Q]

Baseball is a game of series after series after series all during the season.....

It shouldn't come down to 2 teams having to play just 1 game to see which one moves onto the next round after playing 162..when an easy doable simple best of 3 would be a much better format to determine who gets to play the team with the best league record.

But you're entitled to your opinion regardless....as am I.

It was added to be a disadvantage to the WC teams because there was no real advantage to winning the division. Now there is.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

It was added to be a disadvantage to the WC teams because there was no real advantage to winning the division. Now there is.

Yeah, I don't see what the issue is. The WC is doing it's job, making life more difficult for the WC team, thereby rewarding the division winner (Cubs series so far) while not punishing a team so severely the better team couldn't win if that so happened to be the case (Blue Jays series so far) by the time the playoffs roll around. It's a lot of whining over nothing. What pissed me off a lot more is when teams would waffle around knowing they'd still get a WC.

 

[ElTexan]

Yeah, I don't see what the issue is. The WC is doing it's job, making life more difficult for the WC team, thereby rewarding the division winner (Cubs series so far) while not punishing a team so severely the better team couldn't win if that so happened to be the case (Blue Jays series so far) by the time the playoffs roll around. It's a lot of whining over nothing. What pissed me off a lot more is when teams would waffle around knowing they'd still get a WC.

Note that the WC has beaten the 1seed in the NL three of the last four years

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Note that the WC has beaten the 1seed in the NL three of the last four years

WC hasn't been around long enough to make any note of these conclusions. So far it has worked correctly the past couple of years. Better teams have won generally. So far this year that definitely is holding true.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

1 seeds so far

AL

2012: Yankees
2013: Red Sox
2014: Angels
2015: Royals
2016: Rangers

Looking like the 1 seed is heading towards 3-2 if the Rangers don't come back to life, and 2 of them have won the world series. Seems pretty normal.

NL

2012: Nationals
2013: Cardinals
2014: Nationals
2015: Cardinals
2016: Cubs

1-3, and heading towards 2-3. Only one has made the world series so far, the 2013 Cardinals which lost to fellow their 1 seed counterpart in the Red Sox.

How did the WC winners fare after beating the one seed?

AL Side:

2014: Royals lose in 7 to fellow wild card team Giants in the World Series
2016: [Blue Jays: ???] ?

NL Side:

2012: Cardinals lose in NLCS to the Giants in 7 games.
2014: Giants win the world series over the Royals in 7 games, a fellow wild card team
2015: Cubs are swept in the NLCS by the Mets
2016: Giants likely lose the series because I say so


So 5-5 for the 1 seed overall in both leagues assuming the current trends continue. Not terribly crazy considering the win percentages in general around MLB.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Average wins of a WC Winner

AL Side

2012: 93 Orioles
2013: 92 Indians
2014: 89 Royals
2015: 86 Astros
2016: 89 Blue Jays

Mean: 89.8 Wins

NL Side:

2012: 88 Cardinals
2013: 94 Pirates
2014: 88 Giants
2015: 97 Cubs
2016: 87 Giants

Mean: 90.8 wins

Cumulative Mean: 90.3

1 seed Average Wins

AL Side:

2012: 95 Yankees
2013: 97 Red Sox
2014: 98 Angels
2015: 95 Royals
2016: 95 Rangers

Mean: 96.0

NL Side:

2012: 98 Nationals
2013: 97 Cardinals
2014: 96 Nationals
2015: 100 Cardinals
2016: 103 Cubs

Mean: 98.8

Cumulative: 97.4

Assumed AL Differential between 1 seed and WC winner: +6.2
Assumed NL Differential between 1 seed and WC winner: +8.5

 

[Great Dayne]

Cubs really needed these 2 with the way Bum is pitching. I won't say the Cubs have no chance to win game 3, but this series is far from over.

Especially with JA getting worse every month. He's had the exact opposite season this year vs last season where he started of bad and finished like the best pitcher of all time then this season he started off looking like the auto Cy winner but finished like a below avg pitcher.

 

[ElTexan]

Especially with JA getting worse every month. He's had the exact opposite season this year vs last season where he started of bad and finished like the best pitcher of all time then this season he started off looking like the auto Cy winner but finished like a below avg pitcher.

Yeah. He's 10th in era and 7th in whip. So horrible. /sarcasm

 

[ElTexan]

Arrieta pitching on west coast this year: 4-0, 0.30 ERA

 

[stanford the manford]

walking on the embarcadero a few minutes ago... cubs fans out in force. i predict a good night for the beer and brats vendors

 

[nathans8823]

Oh it's gonna be a good pitching matchup tonight.

 

[rmilia1]

As much as I love baseball for how unique it is, it's increasingly difficult for me to get behind the ALDS being only 5 games. Maybe you start the season a couple days earlier to work that out, but man I just hate that 0-2 means we're looking at two sweeps on the AL side, and another potential sweep on the NL side with another 1-0 game coming up.

5 games is fine. What you need to do is get rid of the extra off day. The better teams are better because they got deeper benches and rotations. The extra off day nullifies that advantage. Right now you can win a 5 game series with 1 dominant SP. That's not right imo. A team right now could legit only use 3 guys in a 5 game series. That's not how baseball is supposed to work