Nick Foles benched!!!!!! Case Keenum to start @ Ravens this Sunday.

[Smed55]

I think our play calling is just fine

3-4 end arounds with Austin, teams won't figure that out, will they?

3rd and long, either run the ball and if it doesn't work, kick the FG, or send the receiver out short of the sticks, teams wouldn't think we would be that stupid , would they?

The fake punt isn't going to work like it use to, I think teams have figured that out!

Do we have screen plays in our playbook?

 

[Clayton]

The reality is that Austin Davis and Kellen Clemens outplayed Foles and Foles had the benefit of having Gurley

 

[SJ76]

Case Keenum time

 

[SJ76]

I think the entire offense deserves to be benched besides Gurley. Oline draft picks are young, but G Rob at #2 overall has done what for us? Foles has WRs/TEs dropping passes as much as they catch passes. OC play calling? We've just had bad luck with consistency there too. Not making excuses for anyone here because they all have been bad besides Gurley.

Look at Carolina. Solid defense. Good running game. QB that can pick up yards on busted plays and a TE that can make plays. WRs?? Below average is you ask me. Austin Davis is no Cam, but he can move and with the right scheme, he could help this Rams team that SHOULD be pounding the rock and playing tight D, causing turnovers, etc.

Also remember we have some key injured players. And don't forget we are 1 game under .500 - so I expect us to be right back at .500 soon.

We will see if Case can have 1 game where he throws for 300 yards and 2+ TDs. Davis got cut off this team because Fisher didn't like him. Davis proved last year he could win some games and had a few good games. He lost a few too, but mostly to solid defenses.

Why has Fisher kept Jared Cook? Many questions out there that don't make a bit of sense to me.

 

[zeke2829]

The reality is that Austin Davis and Kellen Clemens outplayed Foles and Foles had the benefit of having Gurley

I completely agree, they all played under pretty much the same conditions. Of the 3, I the most successful has been Austin Davis! Fisher didn't want this guy and now we left with an offense that cant convert on 3rd down. I don't think Case Keenum will take us to the promise land. If he struggles more than Foles, what will Fisher do then?

 

[Vitamike]

I think the entire offense deserves to be benched besides Gurley. Oline draft picks are young, but G Rob at #2 overall has done what for us? Foles has WRs/TEs dropping passes as much as they catch passes. OC play calling? We've just had bad luck with consistency there too. Not making excuses for anyone here because they all have been bad besides Gurley.

Look at Carolina. Solid defense. Good running game. QB that can pick up yards on busted plays and a TE that can make plays. WRs?? Below average is you ask me. Austin Davis is no Cam, but he can move and with the right scheme, he could help this Rams team that SHOULD be pounding the rock and playing tight D, causing turnovers, etc.

Also remember we have some key injured players. And don't forget we are 1 game under .500 - so I expect us to be right back at .500 soon.

We will see if Case can have 1 game where he throws for 300 yards and 2+ TDs. Davis got cut off this team because Fisher didn't like him. Davis proved last year he could win some games and had a few good games. He lost a few too, but mostly to solid defenses.

Why has Fisher kept Jared Cook? Many questions out there that don't make a bit of sense to me.

Cam Newton > Austin Davis, Case Kneenum, Nick Foles or any QB the Rams have had since Warner for that matter.

Greg Olson > Jared Cook, Lance Kendricks or any TE the Rams have ever had. Only Ernie Conwell comes to mind as a decent Rams' TE and his best season is a reach in comparison.

 

[Smed55]

Cam Newton > Austin Davis, Case Kneenum, Nick Foles or any QB the Rams have had since Warner for that matter.

Greg Olson > Jared Cook, Lance Kendricks or any TE the Rams have ever had. Only Ernie Conwell comes to mind as a decent Rams' TE and his best season is a reach in comparison.

You're right, I don't think we have EVER had a good TE, I dont thunk even Ernie was that good, I would have to go back even further to Billy Truax, and he wasn't even all that!

 

[Vitamike]

Not on this thread but on another, someone had big concerns about the $24.5M Foles Salary and contract that extends through the 2017 Season.

Well, it's not that bad. Just as a reminder here are some of the contract details...

Nick Foles signed a 2 year, $24,540,000 contract with the St. Louis Rams, including a $3,000,000 signing bonus, $13,792,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,270,000. In 2015, Foles will earn a base salary of $1,022,000, a signing bonus of $3,000,000, a roster bonus of $2,000,000 and a workout bonus of $20,000. Foles has a cap hit of $4,042,000 while his dead money value is $7,792,000.

And...

Contract Notes:

• $7.792M initially guaranteed (signing bonus + 2015-16 salaries + 2015 roster bonus)
• 2015 Roster Bonus: $2M
• 2016 Roster Bonus: $6M (3/16)
• 2017 voidable based on performance (pro bowl/team wins)

Basically the Rams will pay Foles about $14M guaranteed which includes a $3M signing bonus, a fully guaranteed base salary this season of just over $1M and a $2M roster bonus that was paid on Sept. 1.

There are also about $4.5M in not likely to be earned incentives available based on going to the Pro Bowl, playoff appearances and wins. Foles cap number for 2015 is just over $4M.

Just over half is guaranteed ($12.3M) over the three years (2015, 2016 & 2017) if we elect to keep the contract in place. Foles contract is voidable in 2017 if he doesn't get to the pro bowl prior AND doesn't meet the 'team wins' requirement. (However many games that is, I'm guessing it gotta be something like 20 plus games over 2015 & 2016)

So basically, the Rams are only into Foles for about $7M per season for two seasons. His contract is structured very much like Colin SackorPicks' contract in the way that they are both highly performance based.

It's a win/win deal because these teams only pay these guys if the produce, if they do than these teams are happy to pay them because they have value, if they don't they lose only a small portion in comparison to what they might have to pay in years past.

In the Rams case, I believe the Rams could actually cut ties with Foles prior to next season if they wanted to and they would only be on the hook for a cap hit of $8.75M and dead money hit of $9.75M, but why do that if they can have him as a high priced backup to either Case or Sean for a year?

 

[Smed55]

Not on this thread but on another, someone had big concerns about the $24.5M Foles Salary and contract that extends through the 2017 Season.

Well, it's not that bad. Just as a reminder here are some of the contract details...

Nick Foles signed a 2 year, $24,540,000 contract with the St. Louis Rams, including a $3,000,000 signing bonus, $13,792,000
guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,270,000. In 2015, Foles will earn a base salary of $1,022,000, a signing bonus of $3,000,000, a roster bonus of $2,000,000 and a workout bonus of $20,000. Foles has a cap hit of $4,042,000 while his dead money value is $7,792,000.

And...



Contract Notes:

• $7.792M initially guaranteed (signing bonus + 2015-16 salaries + 2015 roster bonus)
• 2015 Roster Bonus: $2M
• 2016 Roster Bonus: $6M (3/16)
  
  
• 2017 voidable based on performance (pro bowl/team wins)

Basically the Rams will pay Foles about $14M guaranteed which includes a $3M signing bonus, a fully guaranteed base salary this season of just over $1M and a $2M roster bonus that was paid on Sept. 1.



There are also about $4.5M in not likely to be earned incentives available based on going to the Pro Bowl, playoff appearances and wins. Foles cap number for 2014 is just over $4M.

Just over half is guaranteed ($12.3M) over the three years (2015, 2016 & 2017) if we elect to keep the contract in place. Foles

contract is voidable in 2017 if he doesn't get to the pro bowl prior AND doesn't meet the 'team wins' requirement. (However many games that is, I'm guessing it gotta be something like 20 plus games over 2015 & 2016)

So basically, the Rams are only into Foles for about $7M per season for two seasons. His contract is structured very much like Colin SackorPicks' contract in the way that they are both highly performance based.


It's a win/win deal because these teams only pay these guys if the produce, if they do than these teams are happy to pay them because they have value, if they don't they lose only a small portion in comparison to what they might have to pay in years past.

In the Rams case, I believe the Rams could actually cut ties with Foles prior to next season if they wanted to and they would only be on the hook for a cap hit of $8.75M and dead money hit of $9.75M, but why do that if they can have him as a high priced
backup to either Case or Sean for a year?

To bad all contracts arent based on performance, we would have a pretty low payroll, but that will never happen! It's always pay me for what I'm capable of doing, or what I might do, or what I did in the past! Heaven for bid that you would be like the average Joe and get paid for actual production! That's just crazy talk!

 

[Vitamike]

You're right, I don't think we have EVER had a good TE, I dont thunk even Ernie was that good, I would have to go back even further to Billy Truax, and he wasn't even all that!

Well you are going back a long ways (Billy started in the NFL over 50 years ago!) but I'd have to agree with you. I just didn't remember him at all.

Fact is, we've NEVER had a TE the likes of a Greg Olson, so I don't know why SJ wants to compare our offense to that of the Panthers when our all-timer, at least at TE doesn't even come close!

 

[zeke2829]

Not on this thread but on another, someone had big concerns about the $24.5M Foles Salary and contract that extends through the 2017 Season.

Well, it's not that bad. Just as a reminder here are some of the contract details...

Nick Foles signed a 2 year, $24,540,000 contract with the St. Louis Rams, including a $3,000,000 signing bonus, $13,792,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,270,000. In 2015, Foles will earn a base salary of $1,022,000, a signing bonus of $3,000,000, a roster bonus of $2,000,000 and a workout bonus of $20,000. Foles has a cap hit of $4,042,000 while his dead money value is $7,792,000.

And...

Contract Notes:

• $7.792M initially guaranteed (signing bonus + 2015-16 salaries + 2015 roster bonus)
• 2015 Roster Bonus: $2M
• 2016 Roster Bonus: $6M (3/16)
• 2017 voidable based on performance (pro bowl/team wins)

Basically the Rams will pay Foles about $14M guaranteed which includes a $3M signing bonus, a fully guaranteed base salary this season of just over $1M and a $2M roster bonus that was paid on Sept. 1.

There are also about $4.5M in not likely to be earned incentives available based on going to the Pro Bowl, playoff appearances and wins. Foles cap number for 2014 is just over $4M.

Just over half is guaranteed ($12.3M) over the three years (2015, 2016 & 2017) if we elect to keep the contract in place. Foles contract is voidable in 2017 if he doesn't get to the pro bowl prior AND doesn't meet the 'team wins' requirement. (However many games that is, I'm guessing it gotta be something like 20 plus games over 2015 & 2016)

So basically, the Rams are only into Foles for about $7M per season for two seasons. His contract is structured very much like Colin SackorPicks' contract in the way that they are both highly performance based.

It's a win/win deal because these teams only pay these guys if the produce, if they do than these teams are happy to pay them because they have value, if they don't they lose only a small portion in comparison to what they might have to pay in years past.

In the Rams case, I believe the Rams could actually cut ties with Foles prior to next season if they wanted to and they would only be on the hook for a cap hit of $8.75M and dead money hit of $9.75M, but why do that if they can have him as a high priced backup to either Case or Sean for a year?

After Sammy's massive rookie contract, they are being cautious. This really cripples a team when 1 guy is being paid 1/4 of the teams total payroll.

 

[LongtimeRamsFan42]

You're right, I don't think we have EVER had a good TE, I dont thunk even Ernie was that good, I would have to go back even further to Billy Truax, and he wasn't even all that!

Pete Holohan was pretty good for a 3 year period in the late 80's/Early 90's with us. I believe he had 3 years of 50+ receptions(or damn close to it) and about 500 yards per year

 

[Smed55]

Well you are going back a long ways (Billy started in the NFL over 50 years ago!) but I'd have to agree with you. I just didn't remember him at all.

Fact is, we've NEVER had a TE the likes of a Greg Olson, so I don't know why SJ wants to compare our offense to that of that of the Panthers when our all-timer, at least at TE doesn't even come close!

Not sure, but "I think" SJ was saying that we are similar to Carolina, good D, good running game, average WR's, and if we had Davis, a QB that could run if he had to! As far as the TE, we don't have that, Cook is the typical Ram player with all kinds of potential, that he has shown in rare glimpses, and I do mean rare!

As I said not sure, but I think that's what he's trying to say!

 

[Smed55]

Pete Holohan was pretty good for a 3 year period in the late 80's/Early 90's with us. I believe he had 3 years of 50+ receptions(or damn close to it) and about 500 yards per year

, Hoomanawanui could have possibly been good, but was hurt all the time!

I just looked at the list, Tom Fears is the all time leader in most categories and is classified as TE, but he was a WR, so not sure why he was on this list?

Other than that, Holohan, Klein, Drayton, and Truax are pretty much it in our history, all average at best!

 

[LongtimeRamsFan42]

, Hoomanawanui could have possibly been good, but was hurt all the time!

I just looked at the list, Tom Fears is the all time leader in most categories and is classified as TE, but I never really considered
him a TE?

Other than that, Holohan, Klein, Drayton, and Truax are pretty much it in our history, all average at best!

That is weird, I also never considered Fears as a TE...Not that I saw him play of course lol

 

[Smed55]

That is weird, I also never considered Fears as a TE...Not that I saw him play of course lol

Ya, he was a WR, must be a glitch on the TE list, or maybe back in the day they considered what he played a TE, definitely not by today's standards! I'm going with the glitch thing?

 

[DJ Fieri]

Wow.

 

[zeke2829]

.... Nick Foles post game interview, the first words out of his mouth are;
"I need to play better"
"I need to practice harder"
"I need to be a better leader"
"I cant point fingers"

 

[Smed55]

Any way you look at it, that is pretty sad that we have never had a "good" TE in our history! In today's NFl a lot of teams have good to great ones, some teams have more than 1 good one? Today's NFl, you NEED a good one!

Maybe try GRob there, he leads the league in holding, maybe that means he could hold onto the ball too!

I will cut him some slack though, some of his holds are pretty non existent! let's call holding if he actually is, not because you "think" he did! I watch a lot of football every week and there are alot of bad calls, I think the Rams are unjustly called for more than the average team though! It's hard enough to overcome actual penalties and poor play, but when you also have to overcome Refs bad calls that's almost impossible to win!

 

[Smed55]

.... Nick Foles post game interview, the first words out of his mouth are;
"I need to play better"
"I need to practice harder"
"I need to be a better leader"
"I cant point fingers"

Duh, Nick! But that's something I never heard come out of Bradfords mouth?