NHL lockout poll: Whose side are you on?

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Or how about an option that just says "Bettman Sucks"?

Imagine a survey with 100% responding for a single answer.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

The bottom line is the cap went up too fast PERIOD ! The cap floor now is 19 mil more than the cap top after the lockout.

No smart business person increases output that much based on one or two good years like the NHL did. You have up's and down's, shit happens the economy goes in the tank smart business people anticipate this. If things go south for a year or two the players sure as hell arent going to ofer money back.

The NHL has a few good years gets a TV contract and goes nuts upping the cap.

How many posters here work for a company that has a couple of good years and their salary goes up that much?

The NHL reminds me of a poor person that wins $50,000 in the lotto and goes on a spending spree because poor people have lousy money management skills and if you ever look into lotto winners that have been in this situation they are poor again in a few years. Some winner a lot more than 50K.

It's makes no sense to me at all.

 

[dash]

Since this came from a Buffalo paper, where is the "IPW can lift 100 lbs over his head" choice?

 

[esls79]

To be honest, I think the whole problem is just as much about owners vs owners (and maybe to a lesser extent players vs players) as it is owners vs players.

That is why these most recent lockout haven't been your traditional lockout with owners vs. players - it has been rich and influential owners in one faction with small market and not influential in anther. Add in the players and it's a three way tug of war, which makes it difficult for the players to get what they want. If the PA agrees to something and proposes it, one faction of owners may go for it while antoher doesn't and without a majority of owners on the same page nothing gets done. We've seen it in the past year with the NFL and NBA - the players have to give up more than the owners, which is the nature of all workplace negotiations in today's economy.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

I remeber getting into a debate with Boss a couple of years back regarding this - I stated the current cba back then was failsafe as HRR dictated the salary cap and excrow prevented either side from getting too big a piece of the pie. You were right Boss, and correctly used the small market argument back then.

Well, as we now know, smaller market teams were getting priced out with with huge multi year signings even as the pie was getting larger and larger. Well, apparently, both sides want bigger pieces of the pie.

I look at this purely from a business standpoint - I side with the owners - The old CBA ended and they want a new deal that is more favorable for them which is understandable. The players also want that, or to keep the status quo. The problem I have with the PA is their point they already had salary rollbacks after the past lockout - well without those, there wouldn't be an NHL today as the league was on the brink of financial disaster back then. Both sides got what they were looking for - salaries tied to HRR.

I also loathe Donald Fehr and his insistance salary rollbacks are a deal breaker - you cannot use the past lockout as your number one point in negoitiating a new CBA - the entire economic landscape has changed. Use the past lockouts from the NFL and NBA as an example - the revenue split is always going to slightly favor the league - deal with it and find common ground on max salaries, escrow, salary cap, free agency, contract length, etc. Take the salary haircut, accept 50/50 revenue and move on. Billionaires always trump millionaires.

Thank You sir !!! The NFL recognized this mistake and fixed it. The NHL is starting to look like a Mickey Mouse league.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

That is why these most recent lockout haven't been your traditional lockout with owners vs. players - it has been rich and influential owners in one faction with small market and not influential in anther. Add in the players and it's a three way tug of war, which makes it difficult for the players to get what they want. If the PA agrees to something and proposes it, one faction of owners may go for it while antoher doesn't and without a majority of owners on the same page nothing gets done. We've seen it in the past year with the NFL and NBA - the players have to give up more than the owners, which is the nature of all workplace negotiations in today's economy.

You hit the nail on the head. I think there's a large disparity in the haves & have nots on the owners side. That makes it tough to get a deal done for the owners. I imagine more than half the owners in the league are demanding a decrease in the cap. That's certainly not something the players want to see happen.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

Since this came from a Buffalo paper, where is the "IPW can lift 100 lbs over his head" choice?

I think he's in hospital recovering from a hernia operation for trying just that.

 

[dash]

Thank You sir !!! The NFL recognized this mistake and fixed it. The NHL is starting to look like a Mickey Mouse league.

New Jersey Devils take umbrage to the reference, Boss...

 

[kenyg54]

21-39-39

 

[BOSSMANPC]

21-39-39

How did you get the combination to my locker at the Greyhound bus terminal?

 

[dash]

21-39-39

I think I dated a girl with those measurements in college - Damn beer goggles!

 

[sbb122]

Since this came from a Buffalo paper, where is the "IPW can lift 100 lbs over his head" choice?

That's a rep...

 

[naslundfan19]

as mentioned in the other thread:

- players are willing to fulfill the contracts that they had previously signed. That is fair
- owners want to roll back contracts they had previously signed (as recently as two days ago). that is not fair.
- this is a lock-out, not a hold-out


I'm with the players on this one.

Players for me. I think that the last restructuring was necessary but this one is just about the owners arrogance.

I'm also with the players, assuming the hangup is on honoring the contracts. The contracts were signed, they should be honored.

These.

 

[MrChangoT97]

I WANT NHL HOCKEY!

 

[kenyg54]

I WANT NHL HOCKEY!

CBC replaying last season

 

[DevilishWon]

bb I was just thinking, No offense but "neither" to me is a dumb option. IMO the third choice should be "Both" how can "neither" side be at fault for a lockout or strike? Maybe I'm missing something.

Would it be better if it said fuck both of them?

 

[DevilishWon]

I think I dated a girl with those measurements in college - Damn beer goggles!

You dated a weebil dash?

 

[raptorlife4]

FUck the owners

But fuck the players even more, bumch of spoiled babies. The rest of the world is getting their asses handed to them and they act poor.

Mike Modano tweeted earlier this week that all the players got in the last deal was the ability to have 10 year very to have their own rooms on the road. This tweet irked me big time. What about the fucking millions of dollars you made as well Mike?

 

[BOSSMANPC]

Since this came from a Buffalo paper, where is the "IPW can lift 100 lbs over his head" choice?

"Fuck Dallas" should have been another choice.

 

[elocomotive]

This is the owner's fault. Fuck the owners.

I will take a stand today. I can't say I'll never go to another hockey game or buy another jersey. But Ted, if you're reading, I will never buy a ticket to a Wizards' game now!! Big sacrifice on my part.