NFL Network or Patriots Network?

[cdumler7]

Reread it to make sure. You were injecting assumptions on your part then hiding behind the ole could be card to try and appear non-biased.

Well it is fact that 3 teams this past year questioned the footballs the Patriots were using. That is not disputable. Whether they were using underinflated footballs on purpose and that they had manipulated the balls to do so after they had been approved is the part that is somewhat up in the air.

 

[Rock Strongo]

And I apologize for not saying 4 years. Realize though I was more commenting to the number of years he actually played with Brady. Woody was drafted in 1999. Tom brady was drafted in 2000. Brady didn't start his first year meaning his first year with Woody would have been in 2001. So he would have had 2001-2003 which I guess is 3 years. I apologize for missing that one year.

he was bledsoes 3rd string backup and took a lot of first team snaps in practice.

4 years

 

[WizardHawk]

"when you get old, your hands shrink"

No one knows why he did it as it wouldn't make a huge difference, but getting older he might do it for his confidence? He had some great sessions throwing with lighter ones so he wanted to stay with it?

Why do idiots cheat? If I had the answer to that I wouldn't have had a job for 12 years running a casino surveillance room. Most of the people we sent to jail were actual employees, not customers. You have over 100 cameras above them and yet the dumb asses still think they can get away with shit. Some just for the rush of it.

You don't have to have motive to establish guilt in these things.

All I said is given that all of what they did have came from that year and there is no word of complaints from prior years it is reasonable to guess it is a more recent thing. No one can counter that logic.

 

[Rock Strongo]

i'm STILL trying to figure out what the hell heath shuler and solomon wilcots have to do with the patriots.

 

[cdumler7]

he was bledsoes backup

4 years

Meaning he wasn't taking snaps with Woody that first year. The balls being used were ones geared towards Bledsoe not Brady. So that first year isn't one that really should matter. Yes they were on the same team for 4 years but actual playing together starting it was 3. Why do you get so held up on the smallest of things? Is it because you think that is all you can win because the big arguments you know you have nothing to actually go with?

Also if we want to get hung up on this little detail then depending on the definition you are going by the word "couple" can just mean a small number not necessarily two. 3 or 4 depending on what you want go by is still considered a small number.

 

[WizardHawk]

Reread it to make sure. You were injecting assumptions on your part then hiding behind the ole could be card to try and appear non-biased.

Again, what narrative. Yes, I assume he is guilty of tampering or having his staff tamper. All signs point to it clearly. Saying the evidence they do have all came from that year and nothing before it so it may be something new pushes what narrative.

Clue: I don't have one. I'm just following the evidence. Don't really care when/if/how long. Wasn't a Pats hater before all of this and I'm not one now. Stop being so fucking sensitive as to lump everyone together.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Meaning he wasn't taking snaps with Woody that first year. The balls being used were ones geared towards Bledsoe not Brady. So that first year isn't one that really should matter. Yes they were on the same team for 4 years but actual playing together starting it was 3. Why do you get so held up on the smallest of things? Is it because you think that is all you can win because the big arguments you know you have nothing to actually go with?

Also if we want to get hung up on this little detail then depending on the definition you are going by the word "couple" can just mean a small number not necessarily two. 3 or 4 depending on what you want go by is still considered a small number.

yeah, he was.

he got a TON of work in preaseason. i know. i went to 2 games. carolina, brady took snaps from woody for the entire 2nd half. brady looked terrible.

i turned to my buddy and said "this assclowns bagging groceries in a week".

 

[cdumler7]

i'm STILL trying to figure out what the hell heath shuler and solomon wilcots have to do with the patriots.

My guess is he meant Heath Evans who played for the Patriots. Solomon Wilcots I am not sure.

 

[cdumler7]

yeah, he was.

he got a TON of work in preaseason. i know. i went to 2 games. carolina, brady took snaps from woody for the entire 2nd half. brady looked terrible.

i turned to my buddy and said "this assclowns bagging groceries in a week".

Ok again a team would design balls for the game geared towards the starting quarterback not Brady. The PSI for the home games would be for Bledsoe not Brady. And that would only have been for home games as back then the home team dictated how the balls were set up and were limited in what they could do anyway. So again even if he is taking snaps with Woody the balls would have been set to that of Bledsoe if it was a home game. If it wasn't a home game it doesn't matter as they would have to use the balls provided by the home team.

 

[Rock Strongo]

My guess is he meant Heath Evans who played for the Patriots. Solomon Wilcots I am not sure.

heath evans, yeah. he had a 100 yard game here, or close...i think vs NO?

wilcots started 1 season in cincy, in 1988

brady was 11

 

[WizardHawk]

Ok again a team would design balls for the game geared towards the starting quarterback not Brady. The PSI for the home games would be for Bledsoe not Brady. And that would only have been for home games as back then the home team dictated how the balls were set up and were limited in what they could do anyway. So again even if he is taking snaps with Woody the balls would have been set to that of Bledsoe if it was a home game. If it wasn't a home game it doesn't matter as they would have to use the balls provided by the home team.

If 2-3 teams came forward this year and there are no claims of it happening in prior years I would assume it didn't happen in those prior years, or at least not often.

Those other teams noticing means his own teammates had to know as well. Very little chance that happens and his center/receivers/RB's wouldn't know. It can't be that noticeable to defenders and not be known by those touching them far more often. Would go for past years as well.

And honestly, I wouldn't expect even past players to come forward with it. Why ostracize yourself from the player community? Former players all need each other. You'd have to be willing to give that all up to speak up.

 

[Rock Strongo]

If 2-3 teams came forward this year and there are no claims of it happening in prior years I would assume it didn't happen in those prior years, or at least not often.

Those other teams noticing means his own teammates had to know as well. Very little chance that happens and his center/receivers/RB's wouldn't know. It can't be that noticeable to defenders and not be known by those touching them far more often. Would go for past years as well.

And honestly, I wouldn't expect even past players to come forward with it. Why ostracize yourself from the player community? Former players all need each other. You'd have to be willing to give that all up to speak up.

remember the colts LBer said he caught that pick and the ball felt soft?

 

[WizardHawk]

remember the colts LBer said he caught that pick and the ball felt soft?

And there is no word of people saying the same thing before this last season.

 

[HammerDown]

My guess is he meant Heath Evans who played for the Patriots. Solomon Wilcots I am not sure.

"Solly" is the biggest Pats apologist alive.

 

[Rock Strongo]

"Solly" is the biggest Pats apologist alive.

he was close friends with giants d coordinator bill belichick and 11 year old tom brady, as a bengal.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Again, what narrative. Yes, I assume he is guilty of tampering or having his staff tamper. All signs point to it clearly. Saying the evidence they do have all came from that year and nothing before it so it may be something new pushes what narrative.

Clue: I don't have one. I'm just following the evidence. Don't really care when/if/how long. Wasn't a Pats hater before all of this and I'm not one now. Stop being so fucking sensitive as to lump everyone together.

So where is the evidene that represents "all signs"?

 

[WizardHawk]

So where is the evidene that represents "all signs"?

Jesus man, it's all over the place. From 3 teams complaining to the league over it, to the texts on the Jets game, to things they learned in questioning people, and flat out catching Brady in lies. I realize you and your ilk really don't want to see the conclusions so you have convinced yourselves that everything shown is either made up or a giant coincidence/misunderstanding of some sort and no one is going to change that for you. I get that. Maybe I'd do that too if it was the Seahawks. But stop asking where the evidence is because it just makes you guys look really foolish. You may not agree with it, but the mountain is right there.

 

[chappee11]

The time has come to change the NFL Network into the Patriots Network.

Many of the main talking heads have strong Patriots ties, from Willie McGinnest, to Heath Shuler, to Solomon Wilcots.

Of course they support cheating by the Patriots.

What about the teams like the Ravens and Broncos who have lost tight games to the Patriots, almost for sure because of the deflated balls, which not only make throwing easier, but catching and holding onto the football easier?

From my view as a 49ers fan, every loss to the Patriots needs re-visiting.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Jesus man, it's all over the place. From 3 teams complaining to the league over it, to the texts on the Jets game, to things they learned in questioning people, and flat out catching Brady in lies. I realize you and your ilk really don't want to see the conclusions so you have convinced yourselves that everything shown is either made up or a giant coincidence/misunderstanding of some sort and no one is going to change that for you. I get that. Maybe I'd do that too if it was the Seahawks. But stop asking where the evidence is because it just makes you guys look really foolish. You may not agree with it, but the mountain is right there.

Caught in what lies? Not knowing McNally by his real name? Texts about how they got screwed in the Jets game by the officials over inflating the footballs beyond the league maximum placing the Pats at a disadvantage?

The Well's report is a hatchet job, and is written in a biased manner to make small tid bits seem like large facts, and for anything that can be viewed as positive for Brady as unimportant. It's written to cover for the officials ineptitude.

This report has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese.

 

[WizardHawk]

As I said, we all understand your head in the sand. As well as the rest of your fan base. Kind of what fans do. It doesn't change the facts. And nothing that comes from the appeals process is going to change that for either your fans, nor everyone else.

He's now labeled as a cheater and that's how it will stay. Just deal with it.