NFC East Belongs to the Eagles now....

[ATL96Steeler]

No doubt, I wouldnt put Smith in that lower tier category by any stretch.........He and Andy Dalton strike me so much as the same guys.....As good a bet for 10-12 wins as any QB out there, last guys you would want once the clock ticks January 1

Spot on! Both are solid QBs, just don't ask them to make a big play in a playoff game.

Smith might not get you beat with turnovers as quickly as Dalton, but 12-21 195 yds 1 TD is probably not going to win it either.

 

[mcnabb7542]

They would have went 10-6 last year if Wentz didn't play like a scrub for nine of the last 11 games.

You talking out your arse now!

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Spot on! Both are solid QBs, just don't ask them to make a big play in a playoff game.

Smith might not get you beat with turnovers as quickly as Dalton, but 12-21 195 yds 1 TD is probably not going to win it either.

Greatest example being up in New England 2 years ago, where they were "kinda" in the game, needing 2 scores with roughly 6 minutes to go, and ran the slowest hurry up I have ever seen, but that was mostly playing to Smiths' limitations to make chunk plays when they need them

 

[mcnabb7542]

Lane Johnson comes out and claims a guaranteed opening win vs the Skins!

 

[Clayton]

Greatest example being up in New England 2 years ago, where they were "kinda" in the game, needing 2 scores with roughly 6 minutes to go, and ran the slowest hurry up I have ever seen, but that was mostly playing to Smiths' limitations to make chunk plays when they need them

The interesting part to add in all of this is that the Chiefs were actually really good in tight games last year.

My other thoughts in that game in New England in the playoffs is that the Chiefs did a few things on defense that just dont work against Brady and Brady carved them up and Alex Smith just wasn't good enough when he had the chance.

Im going to go out on a limb and say that Reid is a better coach than Smith is a QB and Im fairly confident in that assessment.


edit - I need to read more. You guys are talking about Andy Dalton not Andy Reid. Dalton has been surrounded by talent his whole career and seems to be totally replaceable despite having good stats.

 

[UTKipp1]

This is so completely untrue. Wentz struggles with accuracy but his windup isn't slow at all. Simply not true.

Wentz has bigger problems to worry about. Who's he throwing to?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

The interesting part to add in all of this is that the Chiefs were actually really good in tight games last year.

My other thoughts in that game in New England in the playoffs is that the Chiefs did a few things on defense that just dont work against Brady and Brady carved them up and Alex Smith just wasn't good enough when he had the chance.

Im going to go out on a limb and say that Reid is a better coach than Smith is a QB and Im fairly confident in that assessment.


edit - I need to read more. You guys are talking about Andy Dalton not Andy Reid. Dalton has been surrounded by talent his whole career and seems to be totally replaceable despite having good stats.

Dalton is a huge headscratcher for me

In a league where its hard to come by an almost automatic 10 win QB, you have Andy Dalton

Flipside of course being the guy looks like a 2-14 QB in the playoffs

Do you replace that guy?

Do you stick with the playoff appearance every season, and just hope it turns around?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Wentz has bigger problems to worry about. Who's he throwing to?

And having Red Hair

 

[ATL96Steeler]

The interesting part to add in all of this is that the Chiefs were actually really good in tight games last year.

My other thoughts in that game in New England in the playoffs is that the Chiefs did a few things on defense that just dont work against Brady and Brady carved them up and Alex Smith just wasn't good enough when he had the chance.

Im going to go out on a limb and say that Reid is a better coach than Smith is a QB and Im fairly confident in that assessment.


edit - I need to read more. You guys are talking about Andy Dalton not Andy Reid. Dalton has been surrounded by talent his whole career and seems to be totally replaceable despite having good stats.

Smith has really typecast himself. He lost the job in SF largely because he was unwilling to challenge the DEF deep. Kaep comes in, does just that, and suddenly the 49ers felt like Kaep was a better option and Smith is off the KC. Four seasons later obviously some people in the FO feel Smith has taken them as far as he can..to be honest, you can't really blame them...by no means is he a bad QB, actually pretty good, but he's not the guy to take you over the top imo.

 

[jarntt]

They would have went 10-6 last year if Wentz didn't play like a scrub for nine of the last 11 games.

 

[jarntt]

Wentz has bigger problems to worry about. Who's he throwing to?

I like both Jeffery and Ertz. Could probably use another good target though. Not a fan of Torrey Smith

 

[Manster7588]

@mcnabb7542 did you expect so many matter of fact posts when you started this thread?

 

[mcnabb7542]

Wentz has bigger problems to worry about. Who's he throwing to?

Then there is this guy :

Oh and let's not forget the TE duo :

 

[Clayton]

Dalton is a huge headscratcher for me

In a league where its hard to come by an almost automatic 10 win QB, you have Andy Dalton

Flipside of course being the guy looks like a 2-14 QB in the playoffs

Do you replace that guy?

Do you stick with the playoff appearance every season, and just hope it turns around?

The problem with Dalton is that he had a good season but it was cut short by injury and then last year his surrounding talent wasnt as good. I think the Bengals should draft his replacement if he isnt a top 15 QB next year but my hunch is that he'll have a decent season next year and stick around being that 2-14 in the playoffs kind of QB.

 

[mcnabb7542]

@mcnabb7542 did you expect so many matter of fact posts when you started this thread?

Matter of fact know I didn't

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Dalton is a huge headscratcher for me

In a league where its hard to come by an almost automatic 10 win QB, you have Andy Dalton

Flipside of course being the guy looks like a 2-14 QB in the playoffs

Do you replace that guy?

Do you stick with the playoff appearance every season, and just hope it turns around?

Dalton has some issues when the lights on stage get brighter.

Dalton has had at least 3 different OCs the last 4 yrs...Zampese was from within I think so maybe not a new OFC for 2016, but something changed.

What do you do with a guy like Dalton? You probably have the same guy or a version of him as the back up...I would've dangled Dalton out there for a trade (JAX) promoted McCarron and looked to draft behind him.

I understand CIN had gone a long stretch without making it to the dance, so getting there I'm sure felt pretty good. At some point you gotta blow it up and start over after so many times to the well and repeated bad performances by your QB.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Amen Brother Johnson!

 

[jarntt]

Amen Brother Johnson!

What a dope. He didn't really say that did he?

 

[mcnabb7542]

What a dope. He didn't really say that did he?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Dalton has some issues when the lights on stage get brighter.

Dalton has had at least 3 different OCs the last 4 yrs...Zampese was from within I think so maybe not a new OFC for 2016, but something changed.

What do you do with a guy like Dalton? You probably have the same guy or a version of him as the back up...I would've dangled Dalton out there for a trade (JAX) promoted McCarron and looked to draft behind him.

I understand CIN had gone a long stretch without making it to the dance, so getting there I'm sure felt pretty good. At some point you gotta blow it up and start over after so many times to the well and repeated bad performances by your QB.

Dont dis-agree, I think this coming season can go a long way in determining Daltons' future

The kid Mixon in the backfield is apparently the real deal

They drafted the kid Ross as a WR in Round one

AJ healthy, Eifert, and the 2 other backs still there


That is a fairly loaded, or potentially loaded offense.........I think the Dalton defenders will have a hard time doing it this season if he doesnt play well enough to at least be playing the 2nd weekend of the playoffs