NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[Shanemansj13]

Stuff you don’t see happen everyday:
Howie Roseman traded first round bust Jalen Reagor today. He got more back than Dallas got for Amari Cooper. Not gonna brag too hard on this one because at the end of the day, they got shitty value for a former 1st round draft choice. I did find it shocking he got anything for a player that should have been a cut.

It just shows how age is a huge factor. Some team thought he would fit better in their scheme and was willing to give up a 4th possibly a 5th for that. Cooper also had a big contract so that was also a factor as well as age

 

[dtgold88]

I can talk baseball.

That is a lot of “iffs” that aren’t going to happen.

Steamer is one of the most trusted projection systems out there that uses advanced stats to predict future player performance. It is always on the conservative side, but…

It has the following ERAs projected for your boys;

-Quantrill: 4.76- he looks like a solid SP who can overachieve buy limiting hard contact, but 7.28K/9 and 2.57 K/BB are more meh than they are high end starter numbers.

If his command stays sharp (not a given) and he can continue to limit hitters to well below average BABIP he can continue to post solid numbers. But steamer has him projected at 4.76 because the skills he demonstrated last year don’t resemble that of a future ace.

He has draft pedigree, so it is possible he takes another step forward, but not something you should be betting on.

-Civale: 4.61- Civale has elite command with just over 2 BB/9, but he gives up an awful lot of hard contact and his K rate was not very impressive.

He has been tweaking his pitch mix over the last year, so maybe he reinvents himself and can improve, but the projection systems currently see him as a back end of rotation guy because he doesn’t miss enough bats and has shown a proclivity to give up the long ball.

-McKenzie: McKenzie clearly has the stuff to be an ace. Unlike the previous 2 he has some real swing and miss stuff and was recently a highly touted prospect.

But, he also really struggled with a 4.35 BB/9 last season and as a fly ball pitcher he has also struggled with the long ball (1.58 and 1.62 HR/9 over his 1st two MLB seasons).

Since he did not have issues with either walks or HRs in the minors, this is a guy who could take a massive leap forward. But he isn’t there yet so you shouldn’t be projecting him there just yet.

Plesac: he had 8 really great starts in 2020. Aside from that run which looks pretty flukey, he is a pitch to contact low end starter.

Clase and Karinchak are as talented as any young RP duo in baseball and Bieber is a proven ace. But the reality is that saying this is a “contender quality pitching staff” is cherry picking the absolute best case scenario and not accounting for any down side at all.

The reality is that beyond Bieber, the rotation has more questions than answers. And the penny pinching Guardians are more likely to trade your 2 studs (Ramirez and Bieber) than they are to go to other way and make moves to try and win. And they SHOULD a trade those 2 to restock and speed up the rebuild.

You asked who has a better rotation in the AL?

According to steamer ERA and IP projections which are completely based on the numbers, these teams all do:

Toronto
Chicago
Tampa Bay
Yankees
Astros
Oakland

And then there are quite a few more like the Angels and Mariners who are also relying on young, unproven guys at the back end who look pretty similar to what Cleveland has.

And yeah, I call you guys homers because you take the rosiest possible outlook and project it as a given.

Could Cleveland have one of the best rotations in the AL? It isn’t impossible, but it damn sure ain’t something you should be claiming today. The projection systems don’t think you have a “contender caliber pitching staff”.

So I am going to go with that.

Have to say this was pretty interesting to read. This is not a "gotcha" comment as he was right about some things for sure. Quantril I think has been a lot better than he expected and I'd add the BP has has some exceptional young arms other than Karinchak and Clase. Bieber is not Cy Young level but still a solid 1 or 2. since returning from rehab/injury I'd say Civale and Plesac have been really good 4/5 starters. He appears to be right on McKenzie and maybe he arrived a little sooner than expected.

I'd have given us little chance to contend this year because of the hitting but that has been a major surprise. Can we contend? Other than the "if you make it to the postseason in baseball you have a chance" idea it's hard to see us getting by NY or Houston in a series.......but the future looks bright. Especially if the new future owner means they will spend if needed (league average at least).

 

[ElPatron1]

They didn't make shit when they were on top.

I think like 2 of them got some money. The owners were scumbags, but they signed the contract. The one guy called it poverty pimping lol

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I think like 2 of them got some money. The owners were scumbags, but they signed the contract. The one guy called it poverty pimping lol

Yea

Pretty gross.... they preyed on talent that were exceptionally dumb.

 

[DJ Fieri]

The Bears claimed Leatherwood, saves us a chunk of cash.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Hey, @WiggyRuss

Have they said how many Seasons THOTD will run?

Why the big ass time jumps between episodes?

6 mths between episodes 1 & 2 and way more between 2 & 3.

Why the big hurry?

 

[WiggyRuss]

It just shows how age is a huge factor. Some team thought he would fit better in their scheme and was willing to give up a 4th possibly a 5th for that. Cooper also had a big contract so that was also a factor as well as age

more so than age--- salary. If Reagor was making 20 million a year Philly could not have dealt him if they INCLUDED a 4th round pick.

 

[bksballer89]

 

[WiggyRuss]

Hey, @WiggyRuss

Have they said how many Seasons THOTD will run?

Why the big ass time jumps between episodes?

6 mths between episodes 1 & 2 and way more between 2 & 3.

Why the big hurry?

there are a lot of kids that need to grow and marriages

most of the conflict SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is between the kids of Alicent and Rhaenerya. Rhaenerya gets married multiple times and has kids from both husbands......Viserys dies of course..........

Once we get to "the Dance" the time jumps will slow or stop---- but before the main characters are established they need the time jumps. Arguably one of the main characters is Aemond One Eye- Alicent's son. Aegon II is a huge character and is Alicent's son...

SPOILER ALERT---------------------- as you know the eventual heir after all is said and done is Aegon the III, son of Rhaenerya and Daemon....... I think all Rhanerya's first 3 sons die in the Dance..........

They needed to establish the players and the ground work for why the Dance of the Dragons occurs- i get why they did it----- but most of the action comes 10-15 or more years later when their children are grown

 

[WiggyRuss]

great catch...

I actually think this Kwan catch has a higher degree of difficulty even if it was less impactful because it did not steal a HR.

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reminds me of the Jeter catch----maybe even more difficult though.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Hey, @WiggyRuss

Have they said how many Seasons THOTD will run?

Why the big ass time jumps between episodes?

6 mths between episodes 1 & 2 and way more between 2 & 3.

Why the big hurry?

I mean- I just re-read that section of Fire and Blood and forgot how much happens. There is a ton of stuff.

It does not look like Mushroom will be part of the show which is hugely disappointing.

 

[bksballer89]

Serena does it again

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

there are a lot of kids that need to grow and marriages

most of the conflict SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is between the kids of Alicent and Rhaenerya. Rhaenerya gets married multiple times and has kids from both husbands......Viserys dies of course..........

Once we get to "the Dance" the time jumps will slow or stop---- but before the main characters are established they need the time jumps. Arguably one of the main characters is Aemond One Eye- Alicent's son. Aegon II is a huge character and is Alicent's son...

SPOILER ALERT---------------------- as you know the eventual heir after all is said and done is Aegon the III, son of Rhaenerya and Daemon....... I think all Rhanerya's first 3 sons die in the Dance..........

They needed to establish the players and the ground work for why the Dance of the Dragons occurs- i get why they did it----- but most of the action comes 10-15 or more years later when their children are grown

********** ALL FUCKING SPOILERS******$$$*







Yeah , all her kids with * coughs * Laenor get got.

But, I want to see the formation of the Greens and Blacks and the fallout between her and Alicent play out on screen.

Just having her walk out after her father's announcement isn't enoug.

 

[dtgold88]

great catch...

I actually think this Kwan catch has a higher degree of difficulty even if it was less impactful because it did not steal a HR.

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reminds me of the Jeter catch----maybe even more difficult though.

Immediately thought of the Kwan catch being a lot more difficult....though doubt either is catch of the year.

 

[thunderc]

Yeah , all her kids with * coughs * Laenor get got.

You all talking some way out there shit

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

You all talking some way out there shit

It's a way out book series and tv show.


So, I wil keep it in the PM messages.

 

[bksballer89]

Just checked out the GOAT draw. Great chance to make a deep run here. I see quarterfinals at least

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Hey, @WiggyRuss

You mentioned a possible woke element to The Rings of Power.

Is that why the reviews are calling the Galadriel character a combination of a classic Mary Sue and a hardcore Karen?

Like, how can you even be both of those things at the same time?

They are also saying it should be rated G.

Not PG....

Not.PG-13....

G.......yeah, pass.

I will just binge it later.

 

[fightinfunbags]

@WiggyRuss and @Mecca
I have been boycotting the works of the FatMan whose name I shall not speak until he finished his fucking saga with the last book.

But your discussion of the source material for House of Dragons is intriguing. It seems Shakespearean to me. What Shakespeare used to do is take a history text of his era like the Hollinshed Chronicles and see some intriguing mention in the history and he would then craft a story humanizing those figures in history.
Julius Caesar comes from Plutarch and an attempt to humanize the dilemma of Brutus.
Romeo and Juliet comes from a family tree of the two main families in Verona Italy and Shakespeare noticing that a 150 year feud ends in the same year where both families had a young teen die…and boom he writes Romeo and Juliet borrowing from other famous love story plot lines of his era.

It seems like what the show runners at HBo are doing is taking the original “history chronicle” of the Targaryan dynasty and humanizing the participants in the biggest pieces of the text. I think I have to read this now.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

@WiggyRuss and @Mecca
I have been boycotting the works of the FatMan whose name I shall not speak until he finished his fucking saga with the last book.

But your discussion of the source material for House of Dragons is intriguing. It seems Shakespearean to me. What Shakespeare used to do is take a history text of his era like the Hollinshed Chronicles and see some intriguing mention in the history and he would then craft a story humanizing those figures in history.
Julius Caesar comes from Plutarch and an attempt to humanize the dilemma of Brutus.
Romeo and Juliet comes from a family tree of the two main families in Verona Italy and Shakespeare noticing that a 150 year feud ends in the same year where both families had a young teen die…and boom he writes Romeo and Juliet borrowing from other famous love story plot lines of his era.

It seems like what the show runners at HBo are doing is taking the original “history chronicle” of the Targaryan dynasty and humanizing the participants in the biggest pieces of the text. I think I have to read this now.

He's a lazy bastard. It is beyond clear he will die and someone will finish it for him. Because it's a cash cow. Obviously someone will do it. And way faster than 10 years plus on one book