My current framing of the MJ vs LeBron debate

[msgkings322]

The point doesn’t change. Players today team up regardless if they can or not. Hence basketball was better back then without all the colluding and buying titles

Um, wut?

 

[trojanfan12]

The point doesn’t change. Players today team up regardless if they can or not. Hence basketball was better back then without all the colluding and buying titles

Thanks for letting us all know that you aren't someone to take seriously in a basketball discussion. Saves folks from wasting their time.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The point doesn’t change. Players today team up regardless if they can or not. Hence basketball was better back then without all the colluding and buying titles

the entire 80s were shaped by 2 ridiculously lopsided trades by bad owners. The Bulls were in position to get Pippen because they lost in rd 1. The lotto was rigged for Ewing. We seem to take issue with players having control rather than the above.

And incredibly the Lakers "won" 2 coin flips just to get Magic and Worthy.

 

[tlance]

The point doesn’t change. Players today team up regardless if they can or not. Hence basketball was better back then without all the colluding and buying titles

At least be honest with yourself about what it is that you don’t like.

If a group of old men drafts well, makes a couple good trades and assembles a dominant team like what Reinsdorf and Krause did with the Bulls, you are good with it.

But heaven forbid if players take some agency over their careers and decide they want to play somewhere together.

So triggering.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

At least be honest with yourself about what it is that you don’t like.

If a group of old men drafts well, makes a couple good trades and assembles a dominant team like what Reinsdorf and Krause did with the Bulls, you are good with it.

But heaven forbid if players take some agency over their careers and decide they want to play somewhere together.

So triggering.

When you consider what The Cavs did for the Lakers to get Worthy it's hard not to think there was some under the table action that the league kicked Stepien.

additionally the league decided a 33 year old Goodrich was worth 2 first round picks? just wild stuff.

That would be like Detroit signing James Harden from Philly last offseason with cap space and Detroit being forced to give up 2 first round picks to do it.

 

[Jordan23]

Um, wut?

Seriously?

 

[Jordan23]

At least be honest with yourself about what it is that you don’t like.

If a group of old men drafts well, makes a couple good trades and assembles a dominant team like what Reinsdorf and Krause did with the Bulls, you are good with it.

But heaven forbid if players take some agency over their careers and decide they want to play somewhere together.

So triggering.

Right that’s almost the same thing right? You that stupid? Building a team that way says a lot more about a team and winning titles than players saying hey guys let’s join up. Come on, no way people around here are this fucking dumb

 

[tlance]

Right that’s almost the same thing right? You that stupid? Building a team that way says a lot more about a team and winning titles than players saying hey guys let’s join up. Come on, no way people around here are this fucking dumb

Only 1 dummy here.

However the team is formed, they must come together and outplay everyone else between the lines.

That is what matters. Winning is all that matters.

 

[msgkings322]

Seriously?

What does it mean to say players team up today if they can OR NOT? Or not? If they can't, then they can't team up today.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

In no other sport is the consensus GOAT someone with a losing record in the championship round. But Bron stans want us to lower that standard for basketball alone.

 

[tlance]

In no other sport is the consensus GOAT someone with a losing record in the championship round. But Bron stans want us to lower that standard for basketball alone.

MJ had a losing record too

Lost more times than he won.

Why do people insist on elevating Finals record?

MJ’s finals opponents were extremely weak compared to LeBron’s

Taking a team to the Finals is not a negative

 

[thunderc]

MJ had a losing record too

Lost more times than he won.

Why do people insist on elevating Finals record?

MJ’s finals opponents were extremely weak compared to LeBron’s

Taking a team to the Finals is not a negative

This is stupid, no reason for people to stoop to levels like this. If you were fortunate enough to have seen both of these guys in their primes you know who was the best.

 

[tlance]

This is stupid, no reason for people to stoop to levels like this. If you were fortunate enough to have seen both of these guys in their primes you know who was the best.

No reason for someone to dredge up a thread that hasn’t been posted on in a year to bring up a point that has been beat to death.

Was a bad post.

And we don’t know anything. They played in different eras and both dominated their own era. That is all we really know.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

This is stupid, no reason for people to stoop to levels like this. If you were fortunate enough to have seen both of these guys in their primes you know who was the best.

Do you think Jordan played harder finals opponents

 

[thunderc]

Do you think Jordan played harder finals opponents

I honestly don’t care, I saw what I saw.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I honestly don’t care, I saw what I saw.

It's extremely relevant when comparing the two.

We saw what happened to Jordan when he faced other great teams. 0 percent chance Jordan doesn't lose a few titles if he's facing Spurs, Warriors like Lebron did for 7 of his 10 appearances.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The Dirk Mavs were better than any finals team Jordan faced.

 

[thunderc]

It's extremely relevant when comparing the two.

We saw what happened to Jordan when he faced other great teams. 0 percent chance Jordan doesn't lose a few titles if he's facing Spurs, Warriors like Lebron did for 7 of his 10 appearances.

you are not talking about prime MJ

 

[thunderc]

The Dirk Mavs were better than any finals team Jordan faced.

How many hall of famers were on that team?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

How many hall of famers were on that team?

2

Kidd as well.