Mock Offseason v1.0

[R.J. MacReady]

Boom!

 

[jarntt]

Here's another one. You say Cooper makes plays down the field and Beasley doesn't. I find it interesting that Beasley's yards per reception this year was 11.35 and Cooper's was 10.49. Lets take it a step further. Cooper had 95 targets and 55 receptions (58% - pathetic) while Bealsey caught 37 out of 49 targets (76%). So, Lets look at yards per target: Cooper was a RB like 6.07 while Beasley was 8.57.

Cooper had 25 first downs on 55 catches (45%) and Beasley had 26 first downs on 37 catches (70%). But Cooper is the downfield target?

Also, Beasley had MORE TDs, but Cooper is the red zone target?

But, you're right it's ridiculous to say he is better.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

I said all along Cooper sucks ao the "Boom" comment is idiotic. One thing the common fan doesn't see is that he is an elite blocker. He had a bad year this year but if you plug Beasley in as a #2 he won't ever get open. Beasley will never have a 800 yard season with 8 TDs and 17.5 ypc. Its funny you'd think a non starter is better then a starter. Beasley couldn't start for one team in the league. He is a one dimensional dump off WR where at least Cooper can help in several areas. He still sucks but so does Beasley. I can't believe we are talking about a 300 yard guy as being good. He's a scrub, just like Cooper. Sillyness.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Another issue is Philly has a lot more options. I mean our #3 is a 1000 yard guy. You have Sproles, Celek, Ertz, all catching balls as non lead receivers. Beasley.... hahaha. This is stupid.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Lastly, the down field ability... in 2013 Cooper had 7 plays over 40 yards. Beasley has one in his entire career. And of course Beasley is going to have a higher completion percentage. No pass travels more then 5 yards to get to him.

 

[PDay8810]

Role player who is quick as a cat outta his breaks.
25 plays on the high side


apples and oranges


Thanks Ford...

 

[jarntt]

Role player who is quick as a cat outta his breaks.
25 plays on the high side


apples and oranges


Thanks Ford...

Look what the cat dragged in

 

[jarntt]

Cooper sucks and is lucky to have an NFL job. I don't know why you keep bringing up 2013, but he only saw the field so much because your receivers were horrendous. Beasley was absolutely huge for our playoff run and had more yards than Dez in the playoffs. Not interested in banging my head against the wall any longer...

 

[Eiknarflin]

PE1,

Your argument is like saying that because a d-linemen who only comes in for run plays sucks more than a four down d-lineman. The four down lineman will almost certainly have more sacks than the guy who comes in for run plays only. But that doesn't take into account how many more plays he's in for compared to the other guy or what his role actually is.

Beasley's role isn't to be a stretch the field receiver. It isn't to be a number two receiver. It isn't to be a red zone receiver. His role is to be a possession receiver and he does it as well as anyone in the NFL.

Your schtick of coming in here to "talk football" is getting rather tiresome. At times, you will say things like "the Cowboys are the better team" but when it comes to actual analysis, your position is almost always about how the individual Eagles players are better than the Cowboys players.

Well, here's something for you to consider: Beasley filled his role on the Cowboys ten times better than Cooper filled his role for the Eagles. Jarnnt's numbers up above demonstrate it beyond a reasonable doubt. At current rate, Cooper will be fortunate to have a job in two years. Meanwhile, Beasley will still be catching 9 yard first downs all while making league minimum.

 

[UK Cowboy]

If Cooper were on the Cowboys, obviously Dez is #1, TWill is #2. For the job of #3 inside receiver, I think Beasley would have no trouble at all beating out Cooper. The only question would be, would the Cowboys rather have Cooper or some of the younger, cheaper guys they drafted.....he might not even make the team

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Why argue with an Eagles fan about Beasley? It's pointless, he will never understand how good the guy actually is. If he was in Philly to him Cole would be better than Welker because of the O they run in Philly. Matthews probably saw 50-60 plays a game as a rookie, whereas Welker, I mean Cole saw about 25 a game due to our base being 12man/2TE 2WR package. Not the same scheme so not the same inflation on numbers.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Why argue with an Eagles fan about Beasley? It's pointless, he will never understand how good the guy actually is. If he was in Philly to him Cole would be better than Welker because of the O they run in Philly. Matthews probably saw 50-60 plays a game as a rookie, whereas Welker, I mean Cole saw about 25 a game due to our base being 12man/2TE 2WR package. Not the same scheme so not the same inflation on numbers.

You're right, I bet Beasley would be a beast in Philly's offensive system

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

You're right, I bet Beasley would be a beast in Philly's offensive system

He'd have over 1k I'd bet anything on it

 

[UK Cowboy]

He'd have over 1k I'd bet anything on it

He is always open. I think he adds so much to the offense. You need safety help against Dez, a quality corner for TWill, a linebacker or safety or both for Witten.....you have to be in nickel to put a corner on Beasley, if not, Safeties and LB's just aren't quick enough to cover him. Of course, if your in nickel, Murray's getting it. The one thing I'd like to see the Cowboys ditch next year is the 4 and 5 wide sets with no back in the backfield. I think just the threat of Murray running it opens up the matchups. Likewise, Dez should be on the field in all short yardage sets. He takes two guys out of the play

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

I'm completely unbiased. Dez is better then Maclin, Williams is better then Cooper, Witten is a #t ballot HOF, Romo is the best QB in the NFC East. Scandrick is better then any Philly DBack, I like our Center better for our system and your C better for yours. I have no problem saying that but Beasley is relegated to being a dump off WR cause he simply doesn't have the ability to be a starter while Cooper can. Cooper is an elite blocker. You said Jarntts stats clearly demonstrate Beasley is better. Whaaaaat? Beasley can put up 7 40+ yard catches in a season? No. Will he average 17.5 yars a catch ever? No. Will he ever be an elite blocker. He is way way to small to get open on his own. He fills an unimportant niche roll cause he's physically limited. I can see who is better on Dallas but Beasley is a 300 yard one dimensinal guy who also fumbled more this season then Cooper had in a career. Cooper also had a kick return for a TD that was called back which Beasley also can't do. Cooper is a scrub but if Beasley was a 1 or 2 he'd get shut down every single week. Id also rather have Josh Huff then Beasley and I'm willing to bet anyone on this board Huff has better numbers then Beasley next year across the board. I can't believe you guys are acting like a 300 yard dump off guy is worth much in this league.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

He is always open. I think he adds so much to the offense. You need safety help against Dez, a quality corner for TWill, a linebacker or safety or both for Witten.....you have to be in nickel to put a corner on Beasley, if not, Safeties and LB's just aren't quick enough to cover him. Of course, if your in nickel, Murray's getting it. The one thing I'd like to see the Cowboys ditch next year is the 4 and 5 wide sets with no back in the backfield. I think just the threat of Murray running it opens up the matchups. Likewise, Dez should be on the field in all short yardage sets. He takes two guys out of the play

Everything you posted here is the only reason a 5 foot 8 guy is EVER open. Dallas has such a treemendous offense that teams let him roam free cause if he catches the ball he's not going to do much with it. Put Beasley on a team with no star RB and no star WR and he'd be absolutely invisible. If Dallas had a special #3 he'd be an absolute nightmare. Beasley just a guy. Compairing him to Welker is laughable. Let me know when he puts up 1/2 Welkers numbers in his prime. Now you guys are gonna tell me Beasley is better #3 then Jordan Matthews. The first person who says that Ill know all objectivity is completely gone. Beasley a 1000 yard guy... HILLARIOUS.

 

[jarntt]

I'm much happier no longer responding to the topic.

I couldn't find the emoji for pushing a boulder up Mount PE1...yeah, you're unbiased...

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

I'm much happier no longer responding to the topic.

I couldn't find the emoji for pushing a boulder up Mount PE1...yeah, you're unbiased...

I can't do it anymore either. I'll say Matthews is going to be a good WR, I wanted him; but when/if Maclin leaves what will Philly do then? Don't think Jordan is ready to be a #1 although he has the best work ethic I have ever seen out of a college kid, he just isn't ready yet will be eventually though. Question though is a player better because he has 100 targets and 1,500 yard or a player that has 50 targets and 1,000 yards.

 

[jarntt]

I like Matthews too. I think he is going to contribute. He will be overlooked because all of the talent in last years WR class, but I think he will be a steady player for them. No way he gets 1,500 yards though...

 

[Eiknarflin]

PE1, you are as unbiased as an editor of the New York Times.

Read again what I wrote. Here, let me spell it for you:

B-e-a-s-l-e-y f-i-l-l-e-d h-i-s r-o-l-e o-n t-h-e C-o-w-b-o-y-s t-e-n t-i-m-e-s b-e-t-t-e-r t-h-a-n C-o-o-p-e-r f-i-l-l-e-d h-i-s r-o-l-e f-o-r t-h-e E-a-g-l-e-s.

Here's another thing that you might want to take into account in the future - it might just keep you from saying dumb things and getting into these senseless arguments: Actually read what a person wrote before responding to it. You incessantly (that means you keep on doing it) add or subtract words to what a person wrote and then respond to your new version of what the person wrote.

I can do that, too? Watch...

Why would you say that Pepsi is better than Coca-Cola? Everyone know that Coke is the number one selling cola on the market. You've lost all credibility now, PE1.

Oh, wait, you said Dez is better than Maclin? My bad!