Mock Offseason v1.0

[jarntt]

You say you watch Cowboy games, but you don't see how this guy had so many HUGE 3rd downs for us where he basically made the play by himself? If you MUST compare him to an Eagle in the passing game, maybe Sproles is the closest even though they are different.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Beasley is garbage. There are a few players in this league that do OK cause of the offense built around them. He's a 300 yard guy which is about 20 yards a game. I saw the same thing with Cooper who also sucks but is MUCH MUCH better then Beasley. Cooper had like 700 yards and 8 TDs over an 8 week period cause Desean, Ertz/Celek, McCoy left him in a situation where he was wide open. If Dallas had Crabtree as a 3 you'd see how tremendously limited he is.

Lol I can tell you don't watch Cowboy games.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

I hate when people use stats instead of their eyes. You are so off base on this. Cooper benefited from the circumstance and Offense he was in. Beasley makes his own opportunities and makes the offense he is in better. If you watch him he is more Welker from a few years ago (he's better than Welker today)than Cooper. The guy is so quick and sure handed that no one can stay with him. He is good against man because the guy never knows which way he is breaking and his cuts are so quick and concise and he's a huge 3rd down weapon against the zone because he always finds the place to sit down and even his quickness allows him to explode past the defender the instant he makes the catch. Cooper is lucky to have an NFL job. I really can't even entertain this discussion.

Please don't bro....that is why I didn't even do so the first time around. It's pointless, his name is Beastly Beasley for a reason.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Please don't bro....that is why I didn't even do so the first time around. It's pointless, his name is Beastly Beasley for a reason.

Cooper is a lot more talented then Beasley. They BOTH are a product of the system they are in. I don't ever see Beasley having a season like Cooper had in 2013. Come on... Cooper had almost 1000 yards, 8 TDs and averaged 17 yards a catch. When the end of the season rolled around and teams were selling out trying to stop Dez it put Beasley in a great situation. There's a reason he make 500 G's a year. If he was put in a situation where he started and had to make plays he'd be completely shut down. This isn't to blast the Cowboys awesome offense its just pointing out Dallas would be better upgrading there #3. Look at Phillys number 3. He put up almost 1000 yards in hi s ro okie season. If Dallas had a threat at #3 they'd be insane.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Cooper is a lot more talented then Beasley. They BOTH are a product of the system they are in. I don't ever see Beasley having a season like Cooper had in 2013. Come on... Cooper had almost 1000 yards, 8 TDs and averaged 17 yards a catch. When the end of the season rolled around and teams were selling out trying to stop Dez it put Beasley in a great situation. There's a reason he make 500 G's a year. If he was put in a situation where he started and had to make plays he'd be completely shut down. This isn't to blast the Cowboys awesome offense its just pointing out Dallas would be better upgrading there #3. Look at Phillys number 3. He put up almost 1000 yards in hi s ro okie season. If Dallas had a threat at #3 they'd be insane.

I think you like most get lost in the numbers bro. If you go by the numbers you should say that Philly has a better WR core than Dallas which isn't true, you could say that Foles is better than Romo, which isn't true. You have to understand we don't pass the ball as much as most teams anymore. If Cole was on a team like Philly in the slot with Maclin and Matthews on the outside I'd bet he would get 1,000 or close to it. Just the way the system goes in Philly. Cole is a very good WR, he will never get the credit or hype because of three things:

1.) He is white playing WR
2.) He is like 5'8"
3.) He will never catch enough balls to get 1,000 yards in a season when he is AT BEST the 4th target on the field behind TWill, Witten, and Dez. That doesn't knock him, but it means he is playing behind a Hall of Fame TE, possibly the best WR in the NFL, and one of the best #2 WR's in the NFL whom could start on several teams currently in the NFL.

BTW you are right there is a reason he is only making 500k, it's because he was an undrafted rookie and playing on a rookie deal. If you counter by saying there was a reason he was undrafted I'll just say ROMO, lol!

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Cooper is a lot more talented then Beasley. They BOTH are a product of the system they are in. I don't ever see Beasley having a season like Cooper had in 2013. Come on... Cooper had almost 1000 yards, 8 TDs and averaged 17 yards a catch. When the end of the season rolled around and teams were selling out trying to stop Dez it put Beasley in a great situation. There's a reason he make 500 G's a year. If he was put in a situation where he started and had to make plays he'd be completely shut down. This isn't to blast the Cowboys awesome offense its just pointing out Dallas would be better upgrading there #3. Look at Phillys number 3. He put up almost 1000 yards in hi s ro okie season. If Dallas had a threat at #3 they'd be insane.

One more thing Cooper doesn't have talent he has size. If Beasley was 6'3" like Cooper he would be starting on someone's team right now and going over 1,000 yards.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

One more thing Cooper doesn't have talent he has size. If Beasley was 6'3" like Cooper he would be starting on someone's team right now and going over 1,000 yards.

You guys have an excellent point about Dallas being a run team and a #3 WR isn't gonna put up big numbers. I don't know why anyone said I said Philly has a better WR group? I think both are OK. Dez is a superstar and Maclin is good. Cooper is a bum but is one of the top blocking WR in the NFL and can catch the alley oops in the red zone. Mathews is gonna be much better the Beasley will ever be. But Beasley is just a guy. He made some nice 1st down catches this year but if he was a starter he's not going to get open... just like Cooper. Cooper can make some plays cause of his size. Maybe Dallas doesn't even really need to worry about a #3 but Beasley is easy to root for but he's just a marjinal player that could NEVER get open if it weren't for Dez.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

One more thing Cooper doesn't have talent he has size. If Beasley was 6'3" like Cooper he would be starting on someone's team right now and going over 1,000 yards.

What makes Beasley so good is also the small chink in his armor if you could even call it that. Beasley is a bit shy of the girth you find on Welker. Some hits he takes you can see they are a bit jarring. But that smaller frame is what also makes him impossible to cover.

And that is the perfect solution for Romo. We never seem to have an answer for pressure. Beasley is a great option for Romo to just dump it underneath. Maybe now we can actually starting burning people when they blitz, I heard that's possible in the NFL.

Honestly, I think the Cowboys got Beasley strictly because he can always get open, this way all the balls that should be thrown away go to him. Instead of being on the ground with the guy who is holding it.

 

[jarntt]

You guys have an excellent point about Dallas being a run team and a #3 WR isn't gonna put up big numbers. I don't know why anyone said I said Philly has a better WR group? I think both are OK. Dez is a superstar and Maclin is good. Cooper is a bum but is one of the top blocking WR in the NFL and can catch the alley oops in the red zone. Mathews is gonna be much better the Beasley will ever be. But Beasley is just a guy. He made some nice 1st down catches this year but if he was a starter he's not going to get open... just like Cooper. Cooper can make some plays cause of his size. Maybe Dallas doesn't even really need to worry about a #3 but Beasley is easy to root for but he's just a marjinal player that could NEVER get open if it weren't for Dez.

Again, you just haven't watched the player. He is ALWAYS open.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Beasley is garbage. There are a few players in this league that do OK cause of the offense built around them. He's a 300 yard guy which is about 20 yards a game. I saw the same thing with Cooper who also sucks but is MUCH MUCH better then Beasley. Cooper had like 700 yards and 8 TDs over an 8 week period cause Desean, Ertz/Celek, McCoy left him in a situation where he was wide open. If Dallas had Crabtree as a 3 you'd see how tremendously limited he is.

Dude, I couldn't disagree with you more. Beasley is a little Welker clone IMO, and I would take him over Crabtree all day long

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Again, you just haven't watched the player. He is ALWAYS open.

Yeah, and so was Riley Cooper. I dont want to go after Beasley like he is horrible but he is a below average and mediocre player. Hypothetically Dez gets injured and they plug Beasley in as the #1 lead receiver. He wouldnt top 700 yards all season as the go to guy. He catches dump off passes as evident by his microscopic yards per catch average. Riley Cooper made plays down field in 2013. In 2013 Cooper had 45 catches for 850 yards while Beasley had 39 (only 6 less) for 368 yards.

Romo looks for Dez... looks for Williams... looks for Witten... and if he doesnt have anything he throws a dump off pass to Beasley for 8 yards. THe guy simply is a dump off WR who will never be able to create anything for himself. I watch Beasley and I never see him making a catch down field. Its all just little short routes. He had one 45 yard catch this season. Take that away and he had 375 yards and you're telling me he's ALWAYS open. Dude is a scrub. He's a 20 yard a game receiver.

 

[UK Cowboy]

It would be fair to note the number of attempts that came Beasleys way vs the number of attempts that went to Cooper. With Dez, Murray and Witten, Beasley didn't have the same looks as Cooper, but he did has job as well as anyone could have

 

[jarntt]

Yeah, and so was Riley Cooper. I dont want to go after Beasley like he is horrible but he is a below average and mediocre player. Hypothetically Dez gets injured and they plug Beasley in as the #1 lead receiver. He wouldnt top 700 yards all season as the go to guy. He catches dump off passes as evident by his microscopic yards per catch average. Riley Cooper made plays down field in 2013. In 2013 Cooper had 45 catches for 850 yards while Beasley had 39 (only 6 less) for 368 yards.

Romo looks for Dez... looks for Williams... looks for Witten... and if he doesnt have anything he throws a dump off pass to Beasley for 8 yards. THe guy simply is a dump off WR who will never be able to create anything for himself. I watch Beasley and I never see him making a catch down field. Its all just little short routes. He had one 45 yard catch this season. Take that away and he had 375 yards and you're telling me he's ALWAYS open. Dude is a scrub. He's a 20 yard a game receiver.

Again, you can't use just stats. Cooper was starting and how many plays did the Eagles run in 2013 and honesty the Eagles receivers sucked in 2013 outside of what D Jax gave you, so of course he was going to get more looks. If Dez went out, Beasley would likely catch a ton of balls, but he wouldn't have a ton of yards or TDs. In not sure why am still doing this. If you saw the Cowboys games you would understand. Beasley was huge for us this year, especially down the stretch

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Two different O's Philly uses a base 3 WR package our base is 12man meaning two WR two TE. That alone should tell you the opportunities Cole gets.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Excellent point on the formations Philly and Dallas run. There are a lot more opportunities for Phillys 3. How did Phillys WR suck if they were the 2nd rated O in the NFL that year? I hate Cooper and his racism but he was effective that year. 17 yards per catch is tremendous and Desean had more yards then Dez had this year. It is comparing apples to oranges but if your telling me a 300 yard WR is awesome then I don't know what to say. He offers nothing except a safety valve and 9 yards. He simply can't make plays down field. Beasley should give Dez half his signing bonus cause without Dez Beasley wouldn't do a thing. Can't believe you're telling me a 300 yard guy is a beast.

 

[jarntt]

You are making things up now. No one said he is awesome or that he makes plays down the field. We said you dont inderstand his value and that he is way better than Cooper. WAY better. You can never stay on point. He IS a safety valve indeed and a very good one at that. The number of huge first downs he had for this team was something that no one who watched the games can underestimate.

I don't know why you think what he gets is because of Dez. That's not accurate at all. Yes, To some degree Dez helps everyone, but that's like saying Witten only makes plays because of Dez and FYI, not everyone doubled Dez all the time. He is like a guard that can "get his own shot". He doesn't need Dez or anyone else because he is too quick for anyone to really cover out of the slot. Yes, going down field he would have trouble getting open, but that isn't what he is asked to do and you don't need to do that to be a slot receiver in this league.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

I don't like Cooper and think he's a dick but you're not as bright as I thought if you think Beasley is better then a guy who can make plays down field, averaged over 17 yards a catch and is known to be maybe the best blocking WR in the NFL. He is a red zone threat and was able to make plays down field. He is 6'2" and big and strong. He is vital in our run game. Compare that to a guy who can't do anything but catch dump off passes as a safety valve.

900 yards, 8 TDs, 17+ yards per catch and a top 5 blocking WR in the NFL vs a guy who can't do anything but catch 9 yard dump off passes and that's MUCH MUCH better. Please, dude is a scrub.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

"Way better then Cooper". Haha, that's just ridiculous.

 

[jarntt]

Actually, I said WAY better. If you don't capitilaize and thus emphasize the "WAY" you lose the message that it really isn't even close. You get blocking though ribbon though

 

[jarntt]

Hows this for timing...From Rotoworld:

Philly Mag's Sheil Kapadia says it makes a lot of sense for Jordan Matthews to replace Riley Cooper as an outside receiver in two-wide sets.
Cooper was arguably the worst starting wideout in the NFL this season, but the Eagles will bring him back in 2015 thanks to a silly $22.5M contract they gave him last year. That doesn't mean Cooper's role won't change. Matthews, who was strictly a slot receiver as a rookie, would be a massive upgrade out wide and can still move inside in 3- and 4-wide formations. At 6'3/212 with 4.46 speed and a 10-foot broad jump, he has the measureables to make the transition even if separation was a concern on college tape.