MLB HOF Vote

[steveringo]

Side note.... I just assume everyone was on roids during that era... Batters and pitchers...

 

[calsnowskier]

Side note.... I just assume everyone was on roids during that era... Batters and pitchers...

I think that is an overstatement, but probably more accurate than not.

 

[Cedrique]

Shit I thought Papi was borderline. How did it take 10 years for Edgar Martinez to get in?

 

[Cedrique]

Side note.... I just assume everyone was on roids during that era... Batters and pitchers...

Maybe, but the steroids seem to benefit the hitters more. I guess for pitchers it might reduce healing from injuries. (Which is maybe why Clemens kept coming back for a season or half season to make another 10 million or whatever). But just based on the eye test, if Randy Johnson, Maddux, Glavine, etc. were on roids they must have been a different kind from the ones that a McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Canseco, Dykstra was taking.

 

[navamind]

Shit I thought Papi was borderline. How did it take 10 years for Edgar Martinez to get in?

Edgar was easily the superior player. I say this as a Sox fan.

 

[Cedrique]

Edgar was a superior hitter (and a much better fielder than he gets credit for). I say this as a Sox fan.

Yeah, I guess they broke the seal on DHs so that made it easier.

 

[Voltaire26]

David Ortiz
plays several years as an average player
takes steroids and changes team
becomes a MVP player
media darling cracking jokes
likely 1st ballot Hall of Famer, because Steroids don't matter if you joke with 55 year old geezer sportswriters

Barry Bonds
plays several years as an MVP player
takes steroids and changes team
becomes best player ever arguably
surly reserved introvert with media
likely does not get in 10 tries, because Steroids is all that matter in the hypocritical views of 55 year old geezer sportswriters

holding my breath.....expecting them to do the right thing and be consistent....

David Ortiz is an embarrassment in the Hall of Fame ... "Sweet" Lou Whitaker had 20 WAR high than Ortiz and played an excellent Second Base. Lou Whitaker also never did PEDs, Gambled, Drank Liquor, and never argued with an umpire, and he got 2.9% of the vote.

 

[steveringo]

Maybe, but the steroids seem to benefit the hitters more. I guess for pitchers it might reduce healing from injuries. (Which is maybe why Clemens kept coming back for a season or half season to make another 10 million or whatever). But just based on the eye test, if Randy Johnson, Maddux, Glavine, etc. were on roids they must have been a different kind from the ones that a McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Canseco, Dykstra was taking.

 

[navamind]

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he had a 176 ERA+ in 1994, not too far removed from 1997-98.

that '96 Red Sox team was also brutal defensively

 

[Cedrique]

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ok, that's a pretty good exhibit A. Do you think he found a connection in Canada?

 

[Cedrique]

I was just reading about the next opportunity for Schilling, Bonds ,Clemens, Sosa. It's something called the Today's Game Era committee . It is the same committee that just elected Harold Baines. So there's that.

 

[steveringo]

he had a 176 ERA+ in 1994, not too far removed from 1997-98.

that '96 Red Sox team was also brutal defensively

"the twilight of his career"

 

[Cedrique]

"the twilight of his career"

Actually Nolan Ryan put up some numbers when he was 41-42. Has there ever been any speculation on him? It was 1989 too. Maybe he was an inspiration for Palmeiro.

 

[navamind]

"the twilight of his career"

Just a gross exaggeration. 1995 was definitely a down year but he had a 139 ERA+ in 1996 despite that horrible said defense. He also went 10-13. Despite scoring 928 runs that year, they scored 0-2 runs in ten of his starts (3-6 in those games) and 3-5 runs in 14 games (3-7 in those starts). His ERA in those types of games were 3.12 and 3.45 respectively.

 

[navamind]

Actually Nolan Ryan put up some numbers when he was 41-42. Has there ever been any speculation on him? It was 1989 too. Maybe he was an inspiration for Palmeiro.

We turn a blind eye to pre-90's guys.

 

[Robotech]

We turn a blind eye to pre-90's guys.

I read that greenies gave guys a big boost.

 

[LHG]

Actually Nolan Ryan put up some numbers when he was 41-42. Has there ever been any speculation on him? It was 1989 too. Maybe he was an inspiration for Palmeiro.

I read that greenies gave guys a big boost.

I wish I could remember where I read this article, but a number of years ago, someone wrote a piece about how Aaron very well could have been using some kind of performing enhancing drugs, such as greenies, in his 40s, which would explain the strong end of his career. We won't really know but the article had some compelling points.

 

[Robotech]

I wish I could remember where I read this article, but a number of years ago, someone wrote a piece about how Aaron very well could have been using some kind of performing enhancing drugs, such as greenies, in his 40s, which would explain the strong end of his career. We won't really know but the article had some compelling points.

The game has never been clean, so it's a joke to exclude certain guys just because a majority of writers don't like them. Players have been trying to get an edge since the beginning of the sport and it continues in today's game. Babe Ruth injected himself with sheep testicles. Mickey Mantle tried some concoction that included growth hormone. Pitchers have been doctoring balls for forever, and this year we learned that they had been using substances that had given them the upper hand for years. Do we exclude guys like Verlander and Scherzer from the Hall?

 

[LHG]

I was just reading about the next opportunity for Schilling, Bonds ,Clemens, Sosa. It's something called the Today's Game Era committee . It is the same committee that just elected Harold Baines. So there's that.

Apparently, according to this article, the Historical Overview Committee has to be make the recommendation that they get onto the ballot for the Today's Game Era Committee. There's a couple of steps there they can still get left out.

Red Sox slugger David Ortiz elected to Hall of Fame – BBWAA

bbwaa.com

 

[catman]

I'm glad to see several players stay on the ballot for at least another year.