Meyer is getting screwed

[Codaxx]

I think Reece Davis said it best the other day: "If every coach who lied to the media were fired, there would be no football coaches."

That is moronic and Reese knows it. Context. Lying about the health of your RT is slightly different than lying about domestic violence and a possible title 9 violation. I get it the Urban is a powerful man in college football and you don’t want to burn bridges, but that is just sad

 

[JuiceTheGator]

Meyer is getting screwed

 

[TheRobotDevil]

That is moronic and Reese knows it. Context. Lying about the health of your RT is slightly different than lying about domestic violence and a possible title 9 violation. I get it the Urban is a powerful man in college football and you don’t want to burn bridges, but that is just sad

Idk putting a student athlete in danger while he’s injured. Ignoring concussion protocols etc...opposed to knowing the exact nature of anabusive and chaotic relationship between two adults. And events that occurred outside the football field and program...... And that’s not even getting into off the field incidents we do not know about. Because it’s not a bigger program or story.... Or incidents that were reported that no one cared about

 

[WizardHawk]

@ still believing there's a chance McMurphy fabricated texts.

We obviously don't know if the victim did so, but there's no chance at all the reporter did. None. Zero.

 

[KingKoolKat75]

still believing there's a chance McMurphy fabricated texts.

r/OhioStateFootball - Cross-Post from r/CFB -- A Lawyer's Deep Dive Into Brett McMurphy's Reporting on OSU/Meyer -- Screenshots Show McMurphy Has Been Editing His Reports on Facebook AFTER B1G Media Day to Walk Back Grossly Inaccurate Reporting

 

[cwerph]

That is moronic and Reese knows it. Context. Lying about the health of your RT is slightly different than lying about domestic violence and a possible title 9 violation. I get it the Urban is a powerful man in college football and you don’t want to burn bridges, but that is just sad

This has nothing to do with Title IX. To claim otherwise is to totally misstate and misunderstand Title IX.

How many times do you think you hear the truth when a coach is let go? Zach Smith is the first assistant Urban has ever fired - - - but he has "helped" many others get new gigs - do you think Withers really wanted to move from OSU DC to head coach at some DII college? That Warriner wanted to leave for Minnesota?

Grow up.

 

[cwerph]

r/OhioStateFootball - Cross-Post from r/CFB -- A Lawyer's Deep Dive Into Brett McMurphy's Reporting on OSU/Meyer -- Screenshots Show McMurphy Has Been Editing His Reports on Facebook AFTER B1G Media Day to Walk Back Grossly Inaccurate Reporting

Here's the problem - people already know the version of facts they want to be true. No amount of walking back or correction is going to change anyone's mind.

If Urban is let go, every D1 coach who ever employed any staff member who had previously any accusation of domestic violence should be fired immediately. It doesn't matter if they did what they were supposed to do. They were obviously hiding it.

 

[KingKoolKat75]

Here's the problem - people already know the version of facts they want to be true. No amount of walking back or correction is going to change anyone's mind.

If Urban is let go, every D1 coach who ever employed any staff member who had previously any accusation of domestic violence should be fired immediately. It doesn't matter if they did what they were supposed to do. They were obviously hiding it.

As long as The committee knows the truth. Thank god for Ohio State lawyers

 

[TheRobotDevil]

@ still believing there's a chance McMurphy fabricated texts.

We obviously don't know if the victim did so, but there's no chance at all the reporter did. None. Zero.

I don’t think people are saying he necessarily fabricated the texts. But it’s very plausible the texts could have been altered or it’s not Smiths number. I believe most people find the texts questionable for several reasons. If McMurphey has no problem tweeting the texts. Why didn’t he use a screenshot after sliding left? It’s easy to do with iPhone texts shows the dates and times when you swipe left while taking a screenshot. Would have at leastverified date and time without putting up a phone number.

 

[cwerph]

As long as The committee knows the truth. Thank god for Ohio State lawyers

You mean the ones that lost in court to the basketball coach after he was fired for handing an envelope full of cash to a recruit? I have no confidence that the OSU administration will handle this properly.

 

[WizardHawk]

I don’t think people are saying he necessarily fabricated the texts. But it’s very plausible the texts could have been altered or it’s not Smiths number. I believe most people find the texts questionable for several reasons. If McMurphey has no problem tweeting the texts. Why didn’t he use a screenshot after sliding left? It’s easy to do with iPhone texts shows the dates and times when you swipe left while taking a screenshot. Would have at leastverified date and time without putting up a phone number.

You've actually said several times he could have made them. It's in this thread.

And he was sent a screen shot of what the victim said was texts from her phone. How on earth is he supposed to change how that screen grab was sent?

Of course the victim could be making stuff up or otherwise manipulating McMurphy and/or the entire story. And I already said that clearly. But there is literally no chance McMurphy is making shit up. Whatever koolkat was linking doesn't change that in any way. Is he a hack reporter? Sure, most sports guys are. Did he make claims that aren't verified through multiple sources the way a legit reporter would typically at least try to cover a story? Nope. It's all whatever that chick said. Those are all entirely valid things to bring up.

Making outrageous claims that the reporter himself made up texts because it brought him more money is entirely insane. It simply didn't happen.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

You've actually said several times he could have made them. It's in this thread.

And he was sent a screen shot of what the victim said was texts from her phone. How on earth is he supposed to change how that screen grab was sent?

Of course the victim could be making stuff up or otherwise manipulating McMurphy and/or the entire story. And I already said that clearly. But there is literally no chance McMurphy is making shit up. Whatever koolkat was linking doesn't change that in any way. Is he a hack reporter? Sure, most sports guys are. Did he make claims that aren't verified through multiple sources the way a legit reporter would typically at least try to cover a story? Nope. It's all whatever that chick said. Those are all entirely valid things to bring up.

Making outrageous claims that the reporter himself made up texts because it brought him more money is entirely insane. It simply didn't happen.

I said multiple times its really quite easy to fabricate or alter a text. Its just common sense to use the time stamps to verify date and time. Takes literally 5 seconds. Tweeting a the text was already a odd especially if it ends up in a court case. Not using the easiest method to verify time stamps makes you question the credibility of a "text" thats already questionable at best.


But it looks like McMurphy may be exposed for a lot more now. Which is exactly why you wait for an actual investigation. Rather than viewing Twitter etc as fact.....

 

[WizardHawk]

I said multiple times its really quite easy to fabricate or alter a text. Its just common sense to use the time stamps to verify date and time. Takes literally 5 seconds. Tweeting a the text was already a odd especially if it ends up in a court case. Not using the easiest method to verify time stamps makes you question the credibility of a "text" thats already questionable at best.

But it looks like McMurphy may be exposed for a lot more now. Which is exactly why you wait for an actual investigation. Rather than viewing Twitter etc as fact.....

First of all, you are the one talking about him alterting those texts. There isn't any reason to believe that. That's all I said. It's kind of dumb to suggest it IMO. If they were faked, it's on his ex wife.

Second, if there was some kind of legal proceeding that came out of these cases there is zero doubt they wouldn't be using some kind of screen shot of a supposed text unless both sides agreed it was valid. They would ask the chick for her phone and the full actual texts as they were recorded on her phone. If they are valid, that is quite easy to fulfill.

 

[Codaxx]

This has nothing to do with Title IX. To claim otherwise is to totally misstate and misunderstand Title IX.

How many times do you think you hear the truth when a coach is let go? Zach Smith is the first assistant Urban has ever fired - - - but he has "helped" many others get new gigs - do you think Withers really wanted to move from OSU DC to head coach at some DII college? That Warriner wanted to leave for Minnesota?

Grow up.

Ummm, yes it does. Title 9 requires the reporting of any crime against women. It has been brought up several times that this is a possible title 9 violation, but we can debate that another time. The point was this was a serious matter, not the type of things a coach will lie to the press about. Pretending that coaches lie about matters like these is a pretty big insult to coaches

 

[ralphiewvu]

Here's the problem - people already know the version of facts they want to be true. No amount of walking back or correction is going to change anyone's mind.

If Urban is let go, every D1 coach who ever employed any staff member who had previously any accusation of domestic violence should be fired immediately. It doesn't matter if they did what they were supposed to do. They were obviously hiding it.

Remember that first statement is a two way street. Ohio State fans are also included in that statement.

 

[cwerph]

Ummm, yes it does. Title 9 requires the reporting of any crime against women. It has been brought up several times that this is a possible title 9 violation, but we can debate that another time. The point was this was a serious matter, not the type of things a coach will lie to the press about. Pretending that coaches lie about matters like these is a pretty big insult to coaches

Not going to argue but I am certain you are incorrect.

The alleged abuse would need to have taken place on campus or st s university sponsored event.

Additionally if urban spoke about any details of an alleged incident he would have then been in violation of Title IX.

For a thorough explanation search for Kyle Lamb on Twitter. He lays it out clearly and concisely. I would link it if I weren’t using this stupid phone.

 

[Codaxx]

Remember that first statement is a two way street. Ohio State fans are also included in that statement.

Personally, I don’t think the whole truth will come out on the original issue. There will always be an element of he said/she said to it. The real issue would be what happens as OSU. Urban has made one hell of a mess

 

[ralphiewvu]

Personally, I don’t think the whole truth will come out on the original issue. There will always be an element of he said/she said to it. The real issue would be what happens as OSU. Urban has made one hell of a mess

You are definitely right about that last sentence. Urban hasnt helped this situation. Not sure he should be fired for it though. Jury’s still out.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

First of all, you are the one talking about him alterting those texts. There isn't any reason to believe that. That's all I said. It's kind of dumb to suggest it IMO. If they were faked, it's on his ex wife.

Second, if there was some kind of legal proceeding that came out of these cases there is zero doubt they wouldn't be using some kind of screen shot of a supposed text unless both sides agreed it was valid. They would ask the chick for her phone and the full actual texts as they were recorded on her phone. If they are valid, that is quite easy to fulfill.

Anyone including McMurphey could have potentially altered the text. Let me make it simple. Here is the text mcMurphy tweeted

here is the same text I just sent to my own number using Zack as the contact. Not hard to recreate could do the same on my old Iphone4.I also deleted the texts in between that went through as duplicates both grey and blue.. Also notice the date stamp up top......

Here is that same text while taking the screen shot. While slid left. Notice the time stamps on the texts. They are actually a pretty important here. They don't just give the times. They allow you to read gaps in between texts. As well as time of day etc. Which provide a lot of information.

Mcmurphys text also looks like info is cropped out. Like I said I find it very difficult as you can clearly see here. To take McMurphy seriously. When he puts up a screen shot. That doesn't include the data that takes 5 seconds with a quick left slide. To confirm its legit. All I'm saying is you have to take McMurphy for what he is an reporter who may just be looking for a bigger payday

 

[WizardHawk]

For the love of god, the damned texts were sent to him by the ex wife. How are you not getting this? It's not hard to ask her if she actually sent them so why on earth would HE fake them? It would literally be the dumbest thing any sports reporter has ever attempted because of how easy it would be to refute she sent it.

It's just fucking dumb.

And lol at trying to pick at it because your chat app is formatted differently than hers.

For the 10th time, she could easily have faked it.