Meyer is getting screwed

[it'sHuskers4me]

I saw a report I think it was on BTN that all AD/coaches were drilled heavily into title IX rules after the Penn State scandal, especially the B1G schools. Obviously it didn't do much good for Michigan State, but that will be the biggest problem for Ohio State's Athletic Dept. and football staff.

I will look for the report later, I'm taking my bride out for a night on the town.

 

[7Samurai13]

I saw a report I think it was on BTN that all AD/coaches were drilled heavily into title IX rules after the Penn State scandal, especially the B1G schools. Obviously it didn't do much good for Michigan State, but that will be the biggest problem for Ohio State's Athletic Dept. and football staff.

I will look for the report later, I'm taking my bride out for a night on the town.

My condolences to your wallet.

 

[Codaxx]

McMurohy released a text for media exposure. Not something one does in an investigation or legal action. Part of the issue here is this whole thing is being fueled by media....Which in itself makes this questionable. Like I said speculation is great for ratings and clicks. But I’ll wait for actual information and the incident to be handled through the proper channels. Not twitter/blog/media court etc.... Like I said if this isn’t Urban OSU etcthere most likely isn’t a story or it doesn’t get near the attention........

The motivation does not matter. He is a reporter and he makes a living reporting stories. Those texts don’t become a story if Meyer didn’t deny knowledge of the incident. Meyers and Smith’s lies made the texts valuable. I am sure McMurphy heard Meyers at Big 10 media day and he said “Holy shit, my story is going to be the lead of every sport section in America”. The motivation to print the story does not make it untrue

 

[TheRobotDevil]

The motivation does not matter. He is a reporter and he makes a living reporting stories. Those texts don’t become a story if Meyer didn’t deny knowledge of the incident. Meyers and Smith’s lies made the texts valuable. I am sure McMurphy heard Meyers at Big 10 media day and he said “Holy shit, my story is going to be the lead of every sport section in America”. The motivation to print the story does not make it untrue

Motives matter quite s bit actually. Yes Smith deserved to get fired imo. But I don’t think Urban should lose his job. Because he got caught up in the middle of a media storm. The media smd the way it’s bedn utilized to this point has to make you question motives and the sources. Until there’s an actual investigation that provides something more than speculation. None of us truly know anything other than hearsay.

 

[Codaxx]

Motives matter quite s bit actually. Yes Smith deserved to get fired imo. But I don’t think Urban should lose his job. Because he got caught up in the middle of a media storm. The media smd the way it’s bedn utilized to this point has to make you question motives and the sources. Until there’s an actual investigation that provides something more than speculation. None of us truly know anything other than hearsay.

Whether he gets fired or not is not for me to judge. I simply think that Meyers detractors have been given plenty of ammunition and that is going to make things harder for him. He never had a great reputation on his handling of this confirmed many of the things people have said about him

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I think Urban Meyer is one of the biggest pricks out there. He's condescending as hell and just an all around asshole imho. He makes Nick Saban look like a SNL character with a lot of personality. Zach Smith is a pos. Everyone can agree on that.


With all that said, Meyer's job isn't marriage counseling. He's not a detective. He's not a district attorney. He's paid to win games and hopefully mentor young bucks (no pun intended) into men.

Not sure how many of you guys have real friends, if you are in faux outrage mode about Urban. Meyer and this guy have been boys for a good while. Urban has heard about this from his coach/buddies point of view. If you don't have a friend that your wife doesn't like, then you don't have any buddies, you have associates.

This gal, Courtney Smith, has no problem with drinking to much and endangering a large group of people she doesn't know, but has a problem with leaving a guy who is a piece of shit. Doesn't make sense.

Yes Urban should just be quiet and quit contradicting his own lies, but this bullshit about him not handling "he said, she said" stuff is embarrassing to the American public. Firing people over faux outrage is ignorant and if I keep typing, this will end up in the PF.

This actually has nothing to do with Smith beating his wife. This has to do with Urban keeping someone like that on staff, covering up that he was keeping someone like that on staff and then when it came to light instantly firing him and lying about it. What actually happened between Smith and his then wife is irrelevant.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Whether he gets fired or not is not for me to judge. I simply think that Meyers detractors have been given plenty of ammunition and that is going to make things harder for him. He never had a great reputation on his handling of this confirmed many of the things people have said about him

This I can agree with it’s not for you nor I too judge. Nor should his detractors be involved in this that would be a mob hunt.We have a system in place for a reason. Could be legit, could be some people looking for a payday or another incident of social media blowing up someone with a name,etc....Right now all the information being provided can be interpreted differently. Which is where it’s all speculation. Until there’s an something substantial via official investigation or the legal system etc...Its all nothing more than opinions

 

[theboardref]

Motives matter quite s bit actually. Yes Smith deserved to get fired imo. But I don’t think Urban should lose his job. Because he got caught up in the middle of a media storm. The media smd the way it’s bedn utilized to this point has to make you question motives and the sources. Until there’s an actual investigation that provides something more than speculation. None of us truly know anything other than hearsay.

We don’t know, but what we do know is he claimed he made these reports in 2015. Cool. So you kept this guy on the staff until it became public? He isn’t appologising because he is sorry, he is saying sorry he got caught. He was scum at Florida and he hasn’t changed. Too late to fake heart attack.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

We don’t know, but what we do know is he claimed he made these reports in 2015. Cool. So you kept this guy on the staff until it became public? He isn’t appologising because he is sorry, he is saying sorry he got caught. He was scum at Florida and he hasn’t changed. Too late to fake heart attack.

Which is why I need more than what’s being tossed around the media outlets. And something more concrete investigation or court related. How much he knew and the nature of the situation is too vague until then. It was just last year the media spun the Boermeester case in a different light. Claiming Katz wasn’t abused and was “pressured” into a DV complaint. Just to have SCs investigative reports and the situation confirmed. I get people don’t like Urban I never have. But I’m not jumping to conclusions based on media. I’m waiting on it until there’s a credible source and concrete information.

 

[nddulac]

We don’t know, but what we do know is he claimed he made these reports in 2015. Cool. So you kept this guy on the staff until it became public? He isn’t appologising because he is sorry, he is saying sorry he got caught. He was scum at Florida and he hasn’t changed. Too late to fake heart attack.

Not entirely true. We know he claimed to follow protocol. That might mean that upon his examination, and according to protocol, there was no need to report the incidents to anyone. It could also mean he filed a report someplace.

If he did report it, and the resulting process led to no action, Meyer's ass is covered (except for the lying about it to the public part) and some other head will end up rolling for a screw up.

 

[socaljim242]

Motives matter quite s bit actually. Yes Smith deserved to get fired imo. But I don’t think Urban should lose his job. Because he got caught up in the middle of a media storm. The media smd the way it’s bedn utilized to this point has to make you question motives and the sources. Until there’s an actual investigation that provides something more than speculation. None of us truly know anything other than hearsay.

You don't need an investigation to know that Urban was calculated in lying. And he didn't lie about it one time that day . He lied to three sets of different reporters. His motivation we don't know but his troubles are self inflicted. If what Smith did was enough to get him fired 5 hours after this hit the fan in 2018 then it should have been enough to get him fired in 2015 with Urban knowing it's the second time this is alleged. It's not a "media" storm. It's Urban being shady as all hell and people have the right to ask why did he keep that guy employed.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

You don't need an investigation to know that Urban was calculated in lying. And he didn't lie about it one time that day . He lied to three sets of different reporters. His motivation we don't know but his troubles are self inflicted. If what Smith did was enough to get him fired 5 hours after this hit the fan in 2018 then it should have been enough to get him fired in 2015 with Urban knowing it's the second time this is alleged. It's not a "media" storm. It's Urban being shady as all hell and people have the right to ask why did he keep that guy employed.

When people are taking a text message labeled Zach. At face value because someone in the media says so...Which is something that can be altered by simply changing a name in your contacts....And even if it is legit could be interpretive in multiple directions. Without the entire text chain....Yeahwe need an investigation or something that’s actually solid. What Smith did was wrong. But none of us actually know what measures were taken. How the situation played out. What Meyers actually knew as well as what went on with the Smiths. Part of the problem in today’s social media society. Is people assume they are judges etc...Based on what the media etc says. I prefer we use the actual legal syatemetc rather than pass judgement without knowing all the details. Regardless of whether their name is Urban Myers or insert name....

 

[socaljim242]

When people are taking a text message labeled Zach. At face value because someone in the media says so...Which is something that can be altered by simply changing a name in your contacts....And even if it is legit could be interpretive in multiple directions. Without the entire text chain....Yeahwe need an investigation or something that’s actually solid. What Smith did was wrong. But none of us actually know what measures were taken. How the situation played out. What Meyers actually knew as well as what went on with the Smiths. Part of the problem in today’s social media society. Is people assume they are judges etc...Based on what the media etc says. I prefer we use the actual legal syatemetc rather than pass judgement without knowing all the details. Regardless of whether their name is Urban Myers or insert name....

What Smith did was wrong. He got fired for it and if he didn't do anything which we all know he did he'd have a great lawsuit but he's a wife beater. There's no good answer for why he wasn't fired till 2018. Especially since Urban knew in 2015. If it was a fire able offence now it was a fire able offense then. Stop with this whole "media" BS. They asked him questions and he lied multiple times. He did not "the Media".
What needs to be investigated is who or if Urban said anything to. Because both he and his wife are supposed to report any suspected activity like this. And if he did report Smith as an abuser why did nothing happen to him? Who decided that. Because Urban knew the details and the guy showed up to work every day so someone decided not to pursue it . But once word got out the guy was fired. Lots of questions to be answered . And Smith is the bad guy here not the media.

 

[Red_Alert]

Not entirely true. We know he claimed to follow protocol. That might mean that upon his examination, and according to protocol, there was no need to report the incidents to anyone. It could also mean he filed a report someplace.

If he did report it, and the resulting process led to no action, Meyer's ass is covered (except for the lying about it to the public part) and some other head will end up rolling for a screw up.

FWIW....Per Zack Smith it was reported to the AD by someone.

"Zach Smith said that Gene Smith pulled him off the road during a recruiting trip after the allegations — which did not result in criminal charges — were brought to his attention in 2015.

"Gene Smith said I have to be on the next plane back," Zach Smith said."

Should be easy enough for the Board of Trustees to verify his travel dates. The question is if there is a paper trail for investigating the incident within the department, or was it all brushed under the rug by Urbs and the AD?

That still wouldn't exonerate Urbs for keeping a known wife beater on staff due to the Meyers close personal relationship with him. If anything Urbs AND the AD will be let go. Gene Smith could have fired Zack,

 

[tnapucco]

If he hadn't had such a swell locker room and atmosphere in previous stops this wouldn't be half the story it is IMO. Is there something in his managerial style that doesn't lend to self-preservation? Switzer played it REAL loose there for a while...fucking irresponsible as HELL. It caught up.

Every media outlet would kick their granny to be able to pop the "Urban Meyer: Is he giving Josef Mengele some competition?" story. They can then start with all of the parallels to Florida, wherever else...classic WE TOLD YOU SO A LONG TIME AGO schtick thinking this somehow validates their existence and any means used to "scoop".

I feel sorry for him, this wasn't his dog. But all the barking...itz only going to get louder.

 

[Sgt Brutus]

title IX

Title IX covers employee spouses? I thought it was just good for getting kids kicked out of school with zero evidence

 

[TheRobotDevil]

What Smith did was wrong. He got fired for it and if he didn't do anything which we all know he did he'd have a great lawsuit but he's a wife beater. There's no good answer for why he wasn't fired till 2018. Especially since Urban knew in 2015. If it was a fire able offence now it was a fire able offense then. Stop with this whole "media" BS. They asked him questions and he lied multiple times. He did not "the Media".
What needs to be investigated is who or if Urban said anything to. Because both he and his wife are supposed to report any suspected activity like this. And if he did report Smith as an abuser why did nothing happen to him? Who decided that. Because Urban knew the details and the guy showed up to work every day so someone decided not to pursue it . But once word got out the guy was fired. Lots of questions to be answered . And Smith is the bad guy here not the media.

Already said what smith did was wrong and he deserved to lose his job. As well as anything else that he has coming his way. But to assume Meyers did something wrong. Or claim anything in regards to Meyers via media outlets. As fact would be foolish. Whether you like it or not the media nor our place to say.Just opinions on Urban Meyers. In which There needs to be something that’s actually to justify Meyers being fired etc......

 

[Sgt Brutus]

And if he did report Smith as an abuser why did nothing happen to him? Who decided that.

From what I've gathered from the text messages was the police never had enough to charge ZS in 2015 or to get a restraining order on him

 

[socaljim242]

Already said what smith did was wrong and he deserved to lose his job. As well as anything else that he has coming his way. But to assume Meyers did something wrong. Or claim anything in regards to Meyers via media outlets. As fact would be foolish. Whether you like it or not the media nor our place to say.Just opinions on Urban Meyers. In which There needs to be something that’s actually to justify Meyers being fired etc......

Ok we agree what Smith did was wrong and he should be fired. But he wasn't fired. Not when Urban and others knew. He was fired 5 hours after Urban lied and said he'd never heard of this three years later.
Thats all on them Urban and the school. Not the media.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Ok we agree what Smith did was wrong and he should be fired. But he wasn't fired. Not when Urban and others knew. He was fired 5 hours after Urban lied and said he'd never heard of this three years later.
Thats all on them Urban and the school. Not the media.

That’s kinda the point. The Smiths are both adults , Zach got what he deserved and hopefully received further punishment for what he did..In regards to Meyers we only know what the media is feeding us. We do not know the entire nature of the Smiths relationship.in regards to Meyers. I also wouldn’t discount that Meyers didn’t know the complete nature of their relationship.Which seems to have been very chaotic based on the back and forth reports. We also do not know Meyers didn’t follow proper protocol. What happened when he did report the incidents if so. Whether this is a media payday where adding Meyers name increased the value of the story. If there’s something of actual substance to it....It’s easy for anyone to form an opinion and play jury based on speculation.But it requires a legitimate investigation and actual facts actual substantial facts. To determine Meyers actual role in this situation. At this moment I can’t justify Meyers losing his job without that. Unless an investigation proves otherwise.