Mark Dantonio only wants conference champs in play-offs...

[The Authority]

Frankly if you are NOT going to give preference to conference champions then you need to do the playoff selection BEFORE the conference title games otherwise you are unfairly penalizing teams for making their championship game and rewarding teams that dont. Thats common sense.

Extremely good Point !

I said that in 2011. LSU was penalized for winning their division by having to play a possible elimination game.

 

[WhiteMamba]

In 2012 Oregon finished #2 after clubbing big12 champ in Bowl.

Stanford finished 7 after beating Wisky in Rose.

In 2011 Oregon finished 4 after winning Rose over Wisky

Stanford finished 7 after owing to Oky State.

Just to show where pollsters heads were.

 

[Red_Alert]

This is the dumbest thing ever. Just look at 2012 for instance:

Obviously ND gets selected.
Bama won the SEC - 11-2
FSU won the ACC - 11-2
Stanford won the Pac 12 - 11-2
Wisconsin won the Big 10 - 8-5
Kansas State wins the Big 12 - 11-1

Take ND out of the equation because more times than not they won't go 12-0. Who do you take with the other 4 spots?

Looking at it, you'd assume you take Bama, Kansas State, Stanford and FSU. Then you realize FSU lost to Florida in the last week of the regular season so it would be idiotic to take FSU when Florida was ranked #3 and just beat their ass head to head.

Simply put, give me the 4 best teams. I don't care if they're all from the SEC or B1G.

Bama was 12-1 at selection time with their only loss to Texas A&M.

Not sure why you take ND out of there.

1. Notre Dame - Undefeated
2. Alabama - (12-1) SEC Champs, Only loss was in-conference
3. Kansas St, - (11-1) Big 12 Champs, Only loss was in-conference

Wisconsin is out (8-5)

Your choice for #4 is

FSU - Conference Champs with losses against N.C. State (7-5) and Florida (11-1). (FSU also opened play against 2 FCS teams)
Stanford - Conference Champs with losses to Washington (7-5) and Notre Dame (12-0)

I'd go with Florida St because taking Stanford would be a potential rematch with Notre Dame.

So

1. Notre Dame - Undefeated
2. Alabama - (12-1) SEC Champs, Only loss was in-conference
3. Kansas St, - (11-1) Big 12 Champs, Only loss was in-conference
#4 Florida St - (11-2) ACC Champs

 

[Ironbreaker]

I'd go with Florida St because taking Stanford would be a potential rematch with Notre Dame.

Stanford because of the SOS.

...also people making the decisions like rematches.

Or is that only when the SEC is involved?

 

[theboardref]

Again that's dumb. And I realize we are talking about playoffs. But the NFL already has a system in place. CFB doesn't have anything in place. They are essentially RANKING the 4 best teams.

So again let me ask are you taking an 8-5 Wisconsin team or an 11-1 Florida team from 2012.

Anyone else notice the only fans dead set on this concept are the ones coming out of the Big 10 Nation? It is stupid that we are not using the computers to make this decision.... PERIOD. Everyone complained when it came to the LSU/Bama rematch but it wasn't the computers who said," These two teams deserve to play." That was the human element. So now we are completely over any type of unbiased view point that is based on pure numbers and we are going back to the eye test. There is no perfect system, and the system we have in place is WORSE than the BCS. Oh yes it is a playoff system, but wait till it comes down to teams with equal record and one of the AD's has a team in the running. Who do you think will get in? This is a scam. It should be a 9 team playoff. Conference champion from each power 5 conference, 2 wildcards, and a play in game between 2 mid majors.

 

[ericd7633]

So who you lost to shouldn't matter?

Losing to 6 and 1 is >> than Unranked and 1.

Conference champ with two losses to top 6 teams is ok.

Conference champ losing to #1 and a scrub is not equal.

In 2012 Oregon only loss is by 3 in OT. Stanford lost to UW in one of two losses.

In 2011 Stanford only loss was by 24 points at home to Oregon. Oregon's losses to #1 and #6.

These are decisions that a committee will have to make.

I am just playing devils advocate here ( while waving a green n yellow flag)

2012 Stanford played an overwhelmingly tougher schedule. Had 5 top 25 wins compared to Oregon's 1. Won the head to head in Eugene. Played a tougher OOC. Honestly the last thing I'd take into account is the pac 12 championship. But that did get them another win over a top 25 team. I just don't think it's right for penalizing a team for stepping up OOC. Same with why I'd take Oregon in 2011.

 

[The Authority]

Again that's dumb. And I realize we are talking about playoffs. But the NFL already has a system in place. CFB doesn't have anything in place. They are essentially RANKING the 4 best teams.

So again let me ask are you taking an 8-5 Wisconsin team or an 11-1 Florida team from 2012.

The wisconsin example is a bad one because two teams ahead of them in their division were ineligible.

 

[Red_Alert]

What about 2011 when Alabama was clearly better and more deserving than the B1G and ACC Champion?

I think you do your best to avoid rematches.

Only a common opponent or egregious difference in W/L record should over-ride that.

 

[Oney]

Again that's dumb. And I realize we are talking about playoffs. But the NFL already has a system in place. CFB doesn't have anything in place. They are essentially RANKING the 4 best teams.

So again let me ask are you taking an 8-5 Wisconsin team or an 11-1 Florida team from 2012.

No, it would have been Alabama, ND, KSU and Stanford. Neither Wisconsin or Florida.

 

[ericd7633]

Bama was 12-1 at selection time with their only loss to Texas A&M.

Not sure why you take ND out of there.

1. Notre Dame - Undefeated
2. Alabama - (12-1) SEC Champs, Only loss was in-conference
3. Kansas St, - (11-1) Big 12 Champs, Only loss was in-conference

Wisconsin is out (8-5)

Your choice for #4 is

FSU - Conference Champs with losses against N.C. State (7-5) and Florida (11-1). (FSU also opened play against 2 FCS teams)
Stanford - Conference Champs with losses to Washington (7-5) and Notre Dame (12-0)

I'd go with Florida St because taking Stanford would be a potential rematch with Notre Dame.

So

1. Notre Dame - Undefeated
2. Alabama - (12-1) SEC Champs, Only loss was in-conference
3. Kansas St, - (11-1) Big 12 Champs, Only loss was in-conference
#4 Florida St - (11-2) ACC Champs

You're right Bama was 12-1. Simple typo. But even with that said you would take an 11-2 FSU over an 11-1 Florida team when the Florida team just beat their ass one week prior to the CCG's? You don't see anything wrong with that?

And I wasn't taking ND out of that year. But speaking more in terms of generalities. How often will ND realistically go 12-0? Not very often and that will be what it takes for them to get a seat at the table IMO.

 

[The Authority]

Again that's dumb. And I realize we are talking about playoffs. But the NFL already has a system in place. CFB doesn't have anything in place. They are essentially RANKING the 4 best teams.

So again let me ask are you taking an 8-5 Wisconsin team or an 11-1 Florida team from 2012.

How is that dumb? How is ranking teams when they haven't even played each other not any dumber? Its a complete guess.

If rankings truly meant anything that 11-1 Florida team you keep bringing up wouldn't have lost to Louisville in 2012.

 

[Red_Alert]

Oregon lost one game to Stanford in 2012. Stanford won PAC but lost to Unranked UW and #1 ND.

Who goes?

2011 very similar.

Oregon is the two loss team (LSU #1 and SC #6) and conference champ but gave Stanford their only loss.

Who goes?

Stanford over Oregon for sure. That's an easy choice.

They beat Oregon head-to-head AND won the PAC CCG.

Their loss to ND was out of conference.

However ACC Champ FSU gets in over Stanford to avoid a Stanford/ND rematch.

 

[The Authority]

You're right Bama was 12-1. Simple typo. But even with that said you would take an 11-2 FSU over an 11-1 Florida team when the Florida team just beat their ass one week prior to the CCG's? You don't see anything wrong with that?

And I wasn't taking ND out of that year. But speaking more in terms of generalities. How often will ND realistically go 12-0? Not very often and that will be what it takes for them to get a seat at the table IMO.

So if you take ND out that year, do you put the actual best team in the B1G back in happened to be ineligible and who wouldn't have had any losses assuming they win their CCG.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Stanford over Oregon for sure. That's an easy choice.

They beat Oregon head-to-head AND won the PAC CCG.

Their loss to ND was out of conference.

However ACC Champ FSU gets in over Stanford to avoid a Stanford/ND rematch.

Ok, what about 2011?

And keep in mind, the bcs formula would have had Oregon in playoff in both 2011 and 2012.

Now, will the committee follow the lead? Who knows.

 

[Red_Alert]

Why not? They won their conference. And maybe an 8-4 record is due to extenuating circumstances like injuries. Maybe that team is on an 8 game winning streak and doing so in dominant fashion.
They won their conference. Now let them continue to prove it on the field. Makes more sense tn a team that couldn't even win their conference getting in.

Overall body of work.

It's not an 8 game season. Too bad/so sad.

 

[ericd7633]

How is that dumb? How is ranking teams when they haven't even played each other not any dumber? Its a complete guess.

If rankings truly meant anything that 11-1 Florida team you keep bringing up wouldn't have lost to Louisville in 2012.

I think it's dumb for an 8-4 Conference Champ to be selected over an 11-1 non Conference Champ. I'll always think that way. If it dumb to want the more deserving team to be in the playoff then call me dumb.

 

[dennis580]

Oregon lost one game to Stanford in 2012. Stanford won PAC but lost to Unranked UW and #1 ND.

Who goes?

2011 very similar.

Oregon is the two loss team (LSU #1 and SC #6) and conference champ but gave Stanford their only loss.

Who goes?

A 1 loss team should, and WILL always go ahead of a 2 loss team UNLESS there is a BIG difference in SOS. W-L is still the most important criteria.

 

[WhiteMamba]

A 1 loss team should, and WILL always go ahead of a 2 loss team UNLESS there is a BIG difference in SOS.

Add who you lost to and I am in agreement.

 

[The Authority]

I think it's dumb for an 8-4 Conference Champ to be selected over an 11-1 non Conference Champ. I'll always think that way. If it dumb to want the more deserving team to be in the playoff then call me dumb.

an 8 - 4 conference champ probably wouldn't get selected over the other conference champs.

 

[Red_Alert]

I'm sure he would seeing as the Big 10 doesn't deserve a representative thus far. Michigan State is the only team with a legit fighting chance... and of course Wisconsin because of Barry Alvarez being a board member.

There are no undefeated teams in the Big 10?