Series Thread: Mariners at Royals: Fri, June 20 - Sun, June 22

[Logicallylethal]

23-16 on the road and 17-20 at home... That isn't right!

All I need is for the USA to beat Portugal and this might be a perfect Sunday.

If we just had a .500 record at home we'd have the 2nd best record in the American League. Let that sink in for a moment lol

As for USA-Portugal

 

[NWinAZ]

My thoughts on Safeco and why we can't win there: Safeco helps pitching to a small degree and we already have good pitching so it doesn't change us much there. But Safeco really changes hitting make great hitters good and good hitters average. We have poor hitters for the most part making them nonexistent.

The last two actual MLB hitters we have had both survived at Safeco:
Cano (2014) .319 HM/.342 Road
Morales (2013) .282 HM/.272 Road

It really hurts average to bad hitters.

 

[gohusk]

My thoughts on Safeco and why we can't win there: Safeco helps pitching to a small degree and we already have good pitching so it doesn't change us much there. But Safeco really changes hitting make great hitters good and good hitters average. We have poor hitters for the most part making them nonexistent.

The last two actual MLB hitters we have had both survived at Safeco:
Cano (2014) .319 HM/.342 Road
Morales (2013) .282 HM/.272 Road

It really hurts average to bad hitters.

The same thing can be said about the opposing hitters though so it's a wash. There's no excuse for having a losing record at home when you're above .500. Sleeping in your own bed, being able to go through your regular routine, hopefully being comfortable with your confines, should give you more than enough to be better at home than on the road.

 

[NWinAZ]

The same thing can be said about the opposing hitters though so it's a wash. There's no excuse for having a losing record at home when you're above .500. Sleeping in your own bed, being able to go through your regular routine, hopefully being comfortable with your confines, should give you more than enough to be better at home than on the road.

No it can't and that is the point. Teams coming in have legit hitters for the most part so they move down to a level of quality still while we move down to a level of worthlessness. Even if the opposing teams have average pitching, Safeco still makes them quality. That is the whole point and why we suffer so much at home.

 

[gohusk]

No it can't and that is the point. Teams coming in have legit hitters for the most part so they move down to a level of quality still while we move down to a level of worthlessness. Even if the opposing teams have average pitching, Safeco still makes them quality. That is the whole point and why we suffer so much at home.

If that's the case then why have we had better home vs. road records for the last 3 seasons before this one? The pitching has always been solid and the offense was worse than it is so far this season. Both teams play in the same park under the same conditions. No reason to come up with some lame excuse. It's getting to the point where these guys need to be called out so they snap out of it. I've watched the games and it's not like our guys are flirting with the warning track when they do make contact. It's bad AB after bad AB.

 

[NWinAZ]

Our pitching is better than it has been in the last 3 years. Its bad at bats because they are trying to make something happen because they know they can't hit there. Cameron said it years ago. You get so frustrated that you now go out of your zone trying to make something happen instead of just letting it happen. No different than the old days of Coors where players just tried to get the ball in the air because it flew but when they tried that on the road or after they went to a new team they suffered. Some ballparks take specific type hitters for them to succeed. Boston for years wanted guys that went to LF because of the monster. Safeco takes a consistent contact hitter that hits line drives instead of pop ups. Edgar would hit there and Morales hit there because they both were more line drive hitters than true power hitters. Believe what you want to believe.

 

[seahawksfan234]

My thoughts on Safeco and why we can't win there: Safeco helps pitching to a small degree and we already have good pitching so it doesn't change us much there. But Safeco really changes hitting make great hitters good and good hitters average. We have poor hitters for the most part making them nonexistent.

The last two actual MLB hitters we have had both survived at Safeco:
Cano (2014) .319 HM/.342 Road
Morales (2013) .282 HM/.272 Road

It really hurts average to bad hitters.

Safeco really did a number on Adrian Beltre.

Since leaving Seattle here are Beltre's numbers:
656 G 134 HR .314 BA .358 OBP .539 SLG
Per 162 games: 198 hits 41 2B 34 HR 108 RBI

That and the fact that Beltre obviously decided to stop roiding when he came to Seattle. Those two things clearly explain his Seattle regression IMO.

 

[da55bums]

holy dog crap, kuddos to the Mariners pitching...good games...until next series

 

[gohusk]

Our pitching is better than it has been in the last 3 years. Its bad at bats because they are trying to make something happen because they know they can't hit there. Cameron said it years ago. You get so frustrated that you now go out of your zone trying to make something happen instead of just letting it happen. No different than the old days of Coors where players just tried to get the ball in the air because it flew but when they tried that on the road or after they went to a new team they suffered. Some ballparks take specific type hitters for them to succeed. Boston for years wanted guys that went to LF because of the monster. Safeco takes a consistent contact hitter that hits line drives instead of pop ups. Edgar would hit there and Morales hit there because they both were more line drive hitters than true power hitters. Believe what you want to believe.

Are we talking about Coors or Safeco? Every batter here has the same disadvantage that the M's do. And given the fact that our pitching is even better (which it probably is), are you implying that it actually hurts us at home given our offense has improved?

I really don't want to get in a pissing contest over this but you're all over the map. You want to know what I think it is? I think it's a clubhouse with a bunch of guys who know they're one foot out of the league who need something to be wrong because they have a losers attitude. So when people ask "Why can't you win at home?" in the back of their head they're thinking "Well we suck! The real question you should be asking is why do we win on the road!" But if they keep this up then it's going to turn around because the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages. And I don't care if the fences were 500 feet at the foul lines. We need another bat.

 

[NWinAZ]

Safeco really did a number on Adrian Beltre.

Since leaving Seattle here are Beltre's numbers:
656 G 134 HR .314 BA .358 OBP .539 SLG
Per 162 games: 198 hits 41 2B 34 HR 108 RBI

That and the fact that Beltre obviously decided to stop roiding when he came to Seattle. Those two things clearly explain his Seattle regression IMO.

Here is the thing most people don't realize though, take away his last year in LA where he hit 48 homers and his next 3 highest home run totals between LA and Seattle were all in Seattle. Seattle didn't really hurt him compared to his LA days (minus the last year where we all know he roided). Once he left Seattle he just exploded. The same thing goes for his RBI's between the two stops. 3 of his 4 highest numbers were in Seattle until he left for greener pastures.

I agree with everything, but he wasn't really as off up to that point as most fans think.

 

[cezero]

beltre was lazy when he was here. his intensity for both boston and texas after he left here has been something to see.

150-200 point increases in a bunch of meaningful offensive stats almost the instant that he left, and he hasn't looked back.

 

[dude82]

Beltre was better here than a lot of people give him credit for, but he's been a better overall hitter since he left.

 

[NWinAZ]

Agreed.

 

[navamind]

Safeco really did a number on Adrian Beltre.

Since leaving Seattle here are Beltre's numbers:
656 G 134 HR .314 BA .358 OBP .539 SLG
Per 162 games: 198 hits 41 2B 34 HR 108 RBI

That and the fact that Beltre obviously decided to stop roiding when he came to Seattle. Those two things clearly explain his Seattle regression IMO.

Same with Dodger Stadium, another notorious pitchers park. Beltre's away stats with the Dodgers were much better than at home.

Really wish the Sox had resigned Beltre instead of trading for A-Gon.