LeBron Is Washed

[Wamu]

Pointing out the game is different now vs then is emotional for you. A Bird and Celtics (closet Lebron fanboy) fan

I'm a fan of the game, not just the Celtics. I like watching all the good players.

Here's a list. I'll be curious to see if you have any issues with these other players I watch. If you don't then your agenda is perfectly clear.

Ja, Luka, Trea, Sabonis, Jokic, Spida, Embiid just to name a few.

So you gonna call me a closet Ja, Luka, Trea, Sabonis, Jokic, Spida, Embiid "fanboy"?

You're so foolish it's funny.

 

[shopson67]

All the failures to win the 8 titles he promised the Miami fans when he danced around on stage like a gorilla and promised them 8 titles. He choked badly. He choked badly in Cleveland and also in L.A.

(leaves discussion)

 

[tlance]

Lol. You’re splitting hairs Homie. It’s very close on a per game basis and you said yourself Bird played in a tougher era. Bird averaged more boards and about the same assists. Same blocks and steals. Bird tears up todays league shooting.

As usual, we look at nothing, but offensive stats in here as well. same shit different day

Are you saying Lebron is a better pure shooter than Bird? Haha that’s funny as hell.

I didn’t say that.

It was more physical in a non basketball play way.

Defense in the first 15 years of the 21st century was way better than defense in the 80s.

And I provided data to back that up.

10-15 PPG is significant.

 

[msgkings322]

Interesting facts:

1986 Celtics had four players average more than 15 points a game.

2020 bubble Lakers had two players averaging over 15 a game.

2012 Miami Heat had three players average more than 15 points a game.


These are Lebrons good teams. Lol. All of LeBron’s teams have been LeBron heavy. The bad teams were extremely Lebron heavy. None of those Celtics teams were Bird heavy. This matters when you play a team game and you share the ball on offense

Think about what this says though....basically you are saying Bird played on stacked teams and LeBron didn't except for maybe the Heat. Does that help or hurt LeBron's case? If a team is "LeBron heavy" it's because he was the only big time stud on those teams.

 

[Montalban]

I will say The Dallas finals loss was a bad look. I do think it’s funny that it was everyone else’s fault they lost 3 in a row after up 2-1, not Lebrons.

Kind of a broken record actually. Lebron got his but it was everyone else on the teams fault.

LA has been a shit show. He’s just hanging on to try to win another one while padding his stats on an 8th place squad at best

Typical of James was that as usual he lost the game where he set the record.

 

[Montalban]

Only to people like you. But you've always been critical of black players. Nothing new with you.

Cletus, please!

 

[Montalban]

(leaves discussion)

Won’t be missed

 

[Wamu]

All the failures to win the 8 titles he promised the Miami fans when he danced around on stage like a gorilla and promised them 8 titles. He choked badly. He choked badly in Cleveland and also in L.A.

And you're trying to claim you're not an ignorant racist?

 

[broncosmitty]

He really doesn’t though.

A few advanced stats for their careers:

PER
LeBron: 27.3
Bird: 23.5

Bird had 1 season higher than LeBron’s career average

True Shooting
LeBron: 58.8%
Bird: 56.4%

Bird has 2 seasons better than LeBron’s career average

Win shares per 48
LeBron: .227
Bird: .203

Bird has 4 seasons greater than LeBron’s average

BPM:
LeBron: 8.8
Bird: 6.9

Bird 2 seasons equal to, 1 season better than LeBron career average

Bird’s very best seasons are on par with LeBron’s average season. LeBron’s peak is way above Bird’s.

And LeBron has already played 7 more years than Bird.

He started younger, and played til an older age.

It is an open and shut case. Statistical production in the range of 80-85% is not close enough to justify your era argument.

Which, by the way, isn’t even true.

The average NBA team scored between 108 and 111 points a game throughout Bird’s heyday in the 80s.

The average team scored between 96 and 103 points for the bulk of LeBron’s career through 2016.it has only been the last few seasons that scoring has approached numbers from the 80s.

So LeBron has actually played in the far more difficult era to compile stats.

LeBron didn’t polish his game as an All American for five years of college either.

Kinda makes his career averages that much more impressive imo.

 

[msgkings322]

Typical of James was that as usual he lost the game where he set the record.

James did set the career scoring record so good for him but in typical Lebron James fashion he did it in a loss

Look at you all mad post #168 didn't land LOL

 

[Montalban]

And you're trying to claim you're not an ignorant racist?

Are you trying to imply that James resembles a gorilla? That makes you the racist does it not?

 

[SJ76]

Think about what this says though....basically you are saying Bird played on stacked teams and LeBron didn't except for maybe the Heat. Does that help or hurt LeBron's case? If a team is "LeBron heavy" it's because he was the only big time stud on those teams.

Those stats I posted were all championship teams.

Goodnes gracious y’all.

 

[SJ76]

I didn’t say that.

It was more physical in a non basketball play way.

Defense in the first 15 years of the 21st century was way better than defense in the 80s.

And I provided data to back that up.

10-15 PPG is significant.

Was Bird a better pure shooter than Bron? Yes or no

 

[SJ76]

I'm a fan of the game, not just the Celtics. I like watching all the good players.

Here's a list. I'll be curious to see if you have any issues with these other players I watch. If you don't then your agenda is perfectly clear.

Ja, Luka, Trea, Sabonis, Jokic, Spida, Embiid just to name a few.

So you gonna call me a closet Ja, Luka, Trea, Sabonis, Jokic, Spida, Embiid "fanboy"?

You're so foolish it's funny.

Stop tardin so hard. Larry’s stats per game are very close to Lebrons. This offends you somehow and you’re a Celtics fan. Lmao

Oh and it diminishes Lebrons career, stats, everything.

 

[SJ76]

Typical of James was that as usual he lost the game where he set the record.

Well his team lost 3 in a row but yeah he seems to go bananas stats wise in those game

 

[trojanfan12]

And you're trying to claim you're not an ignorant racist?

Nah, he's not ignorant. He knows he's a racist.

 

[Montalban]

Well his team lost 3 in a row but yeah he seems to go bananas stats wise in those game

Its just that his personal accomplishments are always overshadowed by his team's failures

 

[Montalban]

Nah, he's not ignorant. He knows he's a racist.

I do tend to call 'em like I see 'em. Skin don't matter, behavior does.

 

[SJ76]

LeBron didn’t polish his game as an All American for five years of college either.

Kinda makes his career averages that much more impressive imo.

True Schmitty True.

Definitely impressive when you look how Kobe was coming out of HS

Point Lebron haha

 

[SJ76]

Its just that his personal accomplishments are always overshadowed by his team's failures

Dallas one yeah. Golden St not so much. They were loaded