Kaepernick extension

[BKBroiler9000]

Colin Kaepernick, 49ers reach six-year deal extension - NFL.com

6 years 110 million $$


I can only wonder what this will do for the negotiations with Andy.

 

[alf8478]

Hopefully it helps to end them because Mike Brown will wake up and realize Dandy's worth is nowhere near that kind of money

 

[cincygrad]

Marvin Lewis already went on record to say that Dalton isn't getting Jay Cutler money -- Jay received 18 million a year.

No chance Mike Brown is coming close to the Kaep contract..... Blessing in disguise.

 

[futballiscool]

MB has the leverage. There's no market for Dalton at that figure. My bet is that Dalton's been offered a deal in the 13-16 million a year range and the Bengals won't budge

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Problem is his agent is wanting a huge pay day, and Andy is probably starting to believe too much of the good hype about himself regarding making the playoffs in his first three seasons, about having stats that only a few people in the NFL has had in their first 3 seasons, etc.

Problem is, everyone has those stats anymore concerning stats, but his three playoff appearances are special, but that has been because of the defense who has been a top 6 defense for his first three seasons and guys like AJ Green, and possibly Gresham. I mean I honestly look at our offense and I am not that intimidated other than Green.

However, with the addition of Eifert, Bernard, and maybe Hill now..there has not been much to cheer about with that offense. So I guess in a way Andy has done a nice job with that, but he lays the biggest eggs during the playoffs or most of the time during the regular season when things really matter.

I wouldn't give him more than 14 and I would negotiate for 12.

I would negotiate that he gets a base of 12 million, with a 1 million dollar bonus for each playoff win (or a first round bye), and 2.5 million for a SB victory. This way he has the ability to earn 17.5 million a season if he helps lead this team to a SB.

 

[flamingrey]

I don't want a $12-14 million QB. I want an $18-20 million QB at a minimum. So, if they think Dalton is worth less than $15 million, then let him walk. He isn't going to win you a SB. Move on to find that $18-20 million guy.

 

[DanBengalfan]

that's true. Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco had a lot of support. Maybe we can support Cayenne Peppa, but with the Brown family player budget method and the inevitable injuries, I don't see it.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I don't want a $12-14 million QB. I want an $18-20 million QB at a minimum. So, if they think Dalton is worth less than $15 million, then let him walk. He isn't going to win you a SB. Move on to find that $18-20 million guy.

Okay, $3 million for a SB victory, that way he can be your stupid 18 million dollar QB.

I don't think any QB is worth that much money, so if the team truely thinks he is the guy to move them to the next level, this should still be how the salary is staged since that seems to be how QB's are judged...how many SB have you won for me. Peyton Mannings contract should be staged like this. Aaron Rodgers contract should be staged like this. Tom Brady's contract should be staged like this. I guess I could go on and on.

Find that 18-20 million dollar QB like you want in my opinion, but still set up his contract like this.

 

[cincygrad]

The quarterback is the most important player on the field -- Good ones should get paid a ton. You see what happens when they get hurt - Their teams implode.

Sure, you can build a roster full of terrific talent with a very average quarterback. We've already gone that route..... The problems will show up in big games. Aside from one or two crazy seasons (normally involving the Ravens), big games are won by big quarterbacks.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

The quarterback is the most important player on the field -- Good ones should get paid a ton. You see what happens when they get hurt - Their teams implode.

Sure, you can build a roster full of terrific talent with a very average quarterback. We've already gone that route..... The problems will show up in big games. Aside from one or two crazy seasons (normally involving the Ravens), big games are won by big quarterbacks.

I don't disagree. Get another QB if you guys think Dalton is not the answer, and pay that son of a bitch a ton of money (back up that Brink's truck). However, it should be set up pay wise this way, because great QB's win their teams SB's, and if you are not doing that, you do not deserve the 20 million dollars. Win me a SB, you will get your 20 million, pop, fizzle and lose in round 1 or do not make the playoffs, you can settle for your 12 million because I had to settle for your inept play that cost us a playoff victory.

 

[cincygrad]

I don't disagree. Get another QB if you guys think Dalton is not the answer, and pay that son of a bitch a ton of money (back up that Brink's truck). However, it should be set up pay wise this way, because great QB's win their teams SB's, and if you are not doing that, you do not deserve the 20 million dollars. Win me a SB, you will get your 20 million, pop, fizzle and lose in round 1 or do not make the playoffs, you can settle for your 12 million because I had to settle for your inept play that cost us a playoff victory.

Careful what you wish for though..... Flacco got the Super Bowl winner money and then proceeded to stink the joint up last season. Honestly, they paid the wrong guy...... Even Andy Dalton could be a superstar if he got to go to war with Dennis Pitta.

Eli also got paid (mostly because he's come through twice), but he's thrown in some real shitty seasons.

 

[Cincyfan78]

The quarterback is the most important player on the field -- Good ones should get paid a ton. You see what happens when they get hurt - Their teams implode.

Sure, you can build a roster full of terrific talent with a very average quarterback. We've already gone that route..... The problems will show up in big games. Aside from one or two crazy seasons (normally involving the Ravens), big games are won by big quarterbacks.

To a degree, but really is it because of the actual player, or because of the amount of money some of these teams throw at QB's they refuse to invest anymore into the position.

GB and NE have both lost their starting QB to injuries and managed to stay in the playoff hunt with back-ups. NE especially has done a nice job of drafting younger QB's in case of emergency, and really, with the new CBA, it makes no sense NOT to draft a good young QB to take the reps in case...if he turns out decent, then either you can cut bait with your current QB if he's in the situation like Dalton or you can trade him out for a draft pick, or picks.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that when a starting QB goes down it doesn't hurt, because it absolutely does, but more than just being hard to find a solid QB, I think the total investment involved with top tier QB's prevents a lot of teams from drafting a decent younger QB, which, IMO, is not smart.

 

[cincygrad]

To a degree, but really is it because of the actual player, or because of the amount of money some of these teams throw at QB's they refuse to invest anymore into the position.

GB and NE have both lost their starting QB to injuries and managed to stay in the playoff hunt with back-ups. NE especially has done a nice job of drafting younger QB's in case of emergency, and really, with the new CBA, it makes no sense NOT to draft a good young QB to take the reps in case...if he turns out decent, then either you can cut bait with your current QB if he's in the situation like Dalton or you can trade him out for a draft pick, or picks.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that when a starting QB goes down it doesn't hurt, because it absolutely does, but more than just being hard to find a solid QB, I think the total investment involved with top tier QB's prevents a lot of teams from drafting a decent younger QB, which, IMO, is not smart.

To be fair, this only happened to New England once and I think they had a better overall roster back then..... If Brady were to get hurt now, with that shitty cast of receivers I'm fairly sure that they would struggle to win 8 games.

I agree about drafting quarterbacks..... I think, if you're going to have an average qb, have a guy in the first four years of his career. You're not paying them a ton, so you can invest on other guys on the roster. But don't pay an average starter 18 million a year and just hope they'll magically get better -- It's not in the cards for everyone.

I'd like to see the Bengals make Dalton play it out this season. If he still shows the same major limitations, let him walk and draft another quarterback and let them fight it out with AJ.

 

[DanBengalfan]

hell, a first round QB might actually be worth more than just a first rounder.

a team that has that pick could draft a first round QB and later decide to trade the QB they picked for even better value.

why don't more teams try to do that? against the rules? probably.

 

[Cincyfan78]

hell, a first round QB might actually be worth more than just a first rounder.

a team that has that pick could draft a first round QB and later decide to trade the QB they picked for even better value.

why don't more teams try to do that? against the rules? probably.

Probably just don't want the headache of having to defend why they drafted a 1st round QB with another starting QB entrenched.

Also, you'd probably want more value out of your 1st and 2nd round picks...but in years like this past year, you could have gotten great value with anyone in the 3rd-5th rounds. I most years, those QB's are at least 1 round higher, and maybe 2 rounds higher depending.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Careful what you wish for though..... Flacco got the Super Bowl winner money and then proceeded to stink the joint up last season. Honestly, they paid the wrong guy...... Even Andy Dalton could be a superstar if he got to go to war with Dennis Pitta.

Eli also got paid (mostly because he's come through twice), but he's thrown in some real shitty seasons.

I am not worried about what I wish for, because I wish we pay him no more than 12 million, with incentives on winning playoff games and SB's that can get him to 17.5 million.

Pay a QB huge bucks like Flacco and then have them stink for many years after that (wehave been there) I am not interested in doing, especially when most of it is guaranteed anymore.

 

[flamingrey]

We know what we have in Dalton. He sucks. If your ultimate goal is to win a SB, you do not extend him, and after this year, cut bait. There is just no reason to tie up any kind of major money or years on an average at best QB.

If you aren't negotiating for $17 million vs. $20 million, your QB probably isn't worth investing in.

 

[cincygrad]

We know what we have in Dalton. He sucks. If your ultimate goal is to win a SB, you do not extend him, and after this year, cut bait. There is just no reason to tie up any kind of major money or years on an average at best QB.

If you aren't negotiating for $17 million vs. $20 million, your QB probably isn't worth investing in.

Sadly, you know how this will go..... We'll invest just enough (14-16 million per) to decide that we've made a commitment to Dalton. We'll then proceed to produce the same types of results until our talented roster ages, our draft success evens out, we stop rewarding our young talent with extensions (already started) and we move back to a very average roster with a substandard quarterback, no identity and probably a head coach even less capable than Marvin.

Who-Dey!!!?!?!??!?!

 

[futballiscool]

I don't want a $12-14 million QB. I want an $18-20 million QB at a minimum. So, if they think Dalton is worth less than $15 million, then let him walk. He isn't going to win you a SB. Move on to find that $18-20 million guy.

I don't think the front office should move on at QB until they find a better one first. You're not going to find that player in FA. Spending an early pick on a QB is always hit or miss.

The problem is that the market's getting out of hand with any QB who's viewed as more than stop gap is getting close to 20 million a year. In spite of his flaws I think Mike Brown is the perfect negotiator to go against that trend

 

[cincygrad]

I don't think the front office should move on at QB until they find a better one first. You're not going to find that player in FA. Spending an early pick on a QB is always hit or miss.

The problem is that the market's getting out of hand with any QB who's viewed as more than stop gap is getting close to 20 million a year. In spite of his flaws I think Mike Brown is the perfect negotiator to go against that trend

I do agree that Mike Brown is the perfect owner in this case..... I think he sees some value in the idea that you can pay a qb within their first 4 years (i.e. cheap) and still win. Hell, this view was validated when Russell Wilson won a Lombardi.

He and Marvin have dug in pretty deep with Dalton and really they have nothing to lose by playing hardball. Most fans would be happy to see Mikey make Dalton walk.

My only fear is that both sides will eventually cave and agree on an 'average' deal -- Enough of a deal to keep Andy here and Mike ambivalent about signing/drafting another real threat.