"Jay Cutler isn't the Answer"

[blh7068]

It doesnt have to be straight up 50/50, noon. However, something more balanced than 75% pass and 25% run is certainly needed. When has Cutler ever demonstrated consistency in directing an offense that chooses to be one dimensional? That ability is a trait among the elite QBs. Weve all agreed that Jay isnt elite. That said, why does it make sense right now to get rid of him when the simple change of establishing a run game will help. They have a capable rusher, maybe two. They arent using them. Thats not a Cutler issue.

 

[anotheridiot]

They have a capable rusher, maybe two. They arent using them. Thats not a Cutler issue.

Nobody can say who is the issue unless you have factual information of how many times Cutler is changing a running play into a passing play because he thinks he see something in the coverage.

We dont know if he is audibling from a pass to a different pass route or from a pass to a run or a run to a pass. Thats the bottom line. We heard one we're good at the goal line against green bay.

I cant say much about this weeks game, it was terrible all over and fuck digital tv on channel 2 at my shop. I cant really comment on what was frozen on the screen, but seems like they were frozen on the field too.

 

[nomoreshoop]

even a QB sneak, with a strong, sorta nimble QB like Jay would solve the 3rd and 1 riddle they always get themselves into.

 

[blh7068]

Nobody can say who is the issue unless you have factual information of how many times Cutler is changing a running play into a passing play because he thinks he see something in the coverage.

We dont know if he is audibling from a pass to a different pass route or from a pass to a run or a run to a pass. Thats the bottom line. We heard one we're good at the goal line against green bay.

I cant say much about this weeks game, it was terrible all over and fuck digital tv on channel 2 at my shop. I cant really comment on what was frozen on the screen, but seems like they were frozen on the field too.

As an aside, do you really believe he has the freedom to check out of that many plays that ultimately results in taking the run game out of the offense? I doubt it. The commitment towards more balance will come from a game plan that puts a higher priority on running the football- and that comes from the coaches during the week of preparation leading up to the game. Thats what I mean when I say its not a Cutler thing. Even if I were to play your game- 14 rushes isnt enough- period.

 

[anotheridiot]

As an aside, do you really believe he has the freedom to check out of that many plays that ultimately results in taking the run game out of the offense? I doubt it. The commitment towards more balance will come from a game plan that puts a higher priority on running the football- and that comes from the coaches during the week of preparation leading up to the game. Thats what I mean when I say its not a Cutler thing. Even if I were to play your game- 14 rushes isnt enough- period.

I am just saying we do not know. the one thing I do know if Jay did check out of runs, Trestman would not say Jay did it. The preparation is when the D looks like this (on film) we should be able to run on them. If its one on one, Marhsall, Alshon or Bennet should be able to get open. That doesnt explain how he is always throwing to covered or double covered receivers, its the change that does not seem to work out. I mean guys are watching that all 22, seeing the zones or lack there of, how many plays did they just line up and run. Just doing that will catch the defense off guard. But he always steps back or walks up to point out who everyone in the stadium knows is the mike.

Second thing, Kruetz brought up yesterday on the radio, is the tackles are showing the play. They are setting up in two point stances to pass block. Three point stances they are running.

The checks should be simple, Run to the left should change to a run to the right, just seems it always ends up with more passes and with Jay walking back and calling out signals for what seems like 75% of the time, you have to admit there is at least a question of the ultimate person that changes to a pass is the first guy to get the football from center.

 

[blh7068]

I am just saying we do not know. the one thing I do know if Jay did check out of runs, Trestman would not say Jay did it. The preparation is when the D looks like this (on film) we should be able to run on them. If its one on one, Marhsall, Alshon or Bennet should be able to get open. That doesnt explain how he is always throwing to covered or double covered receivers, its the change that does not seem to work out. I mean guys are watching that all 22, seeing the zones or lack there of, how many plays did they just line up and run. Just doing that will catch the defense off guard. But he always steps back or walks up to point out who everyone in the stadium knows is the mike.

Second thing, Kruetz brought up yesterday on the radio, is the tackles are showing the play. They are setting up in two point stances to pass block. Three point stances they are running.

The checks should be simple, Run to the left should change to a run to the right, just seems it always ends up with more passes and with Jay walking back and calling out signals for what seems like 75% of the time, you have to admit there is at least a question of the ultimate person that changes to a pass is the first guy to get the football from center.

All of what you said is fine. However, what we know or not ultimately isnt the issue, I covered that in the last sentence of my previous post. The commitment to run the football comes from the coaching staff in the form of game planning to do so.

Regarding the the bolded, at least part of that is a product of being predictable. If the defense knows whats coming, considerations made by the back 7 to aid in any kind of support are going to be low. Therefore, everyone remains in position to carry out their pass coverage assignments.

I also think not having a FB on the roster limits what they can do in the run game.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

It doesnt have to be straight up 50/50, noon. However, something more balanced than 75% pass and 25% run is certainly needed. (100% agree)

 

[NCChiFan]

"Tdog" would have to go Martz on Cutler, that is, remove his ability to audible. Both Trestman and Jay said that Jay audibled out of a bunch of plays in the first half do to the Defensive match up. So unless you remove this from Jay's repertoire, calling more "run" plays isn't the answer.

 

[anotheridiot]

"Tdog" would have to go Martz on Cutler, that is, remove his ability to audible. Both Trestman and Jay said that Jay audibled out of a bunch of plays in the first half do to the Defensive match up. So unless you remove this from Jay's repertoire, calling more "run" plays isn't the answer.

Thats all I am saying, nobody will ever know what was called and what was changed, we can only see that jay steps back and makes a call you gotta expect its an audible. I am just saying most teams just man up and compete enough to get a gain on a call you just know is not gonna work, its called execution. Its just another round of excuses though, you dont let Jay change the plays, he is gonna go back to being like he was with Martz. Just because a safety goes into the box, lining up outside the left tackle does not mean you need to change the sweep to the right that was called in the huddle. Its almost like they want to play from behind so they can have an excuse to pass more. Maybe some day someone will have the balls to ask one of these guys.

Part of what Payaton does is goes thru all his bullshit pointing, barking and they just run the one play that was called in the huddle. sometimes that works too. Maybe we are giving trestman too much credit believing there is no way he would call so many pass plays.

 

[nebearsfan70]

I think you guys have summed up the Bears problems pretty well:

1) Coaching sucks on defense, Trestman sucks at play calling
2) Cutler will not lead the Bears to the SB because he is just too inconsistent. Besides interceptions, Cutler is a fumble machine this season.
3) Bears are too predictable on both sides of the ball


With all their talent it just makes me sick.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

Right now Cutler is 6th in yards, 6th in completion percentage and tied for 5th in TD passes. Those are BIG stats. I know he has thrown 7 INTs, but it's hard for me to believe that a QB putting up these stats is the problem. The Bears should be good enough that an occasional bad interception doesn't kill them. Drew Brees has had a great career averaging about 16 INTs per season. A team should be fine with a QB averaging 1 INT per game as long as he's putting up big stats like Cutler is this season. Cutler is not the reason the team has lost 4 games. There are other major problems like bad defense and not running the ball.

 

[anotheridiot]

Right now Cutler is 6th in yards, 6th in completion percentage and tied for 5th in TD passes. Those are BIG stats. I know he has thrown 7 INTs, but it's hard for me to believe that a QB putting up these stats is the problem. The Bears should be good enough that an occasional bad interception doesn't kill them. Drew Brees has had a great career averaging about 16 INTs per season. A team should be fine with a QB averaging 1 INT per game as long as he's putting up big stats like Cutler is this season. Cutler is not the reason the team has lost 4 games. There are other major problems like bad defense and not running the ball.

He is fifth in TD passes because they waited til game 6 before letting Forte try to run the ball in from the goal line.

Big stats mean nothing without making the playoffs. We all know he is gonna rewrite the chicago bear quarter back record books. Jay Cutler is gonna be the greatest stat quarterback in chicago bear history. We want this team to make a run to get to the playoffs and are just posting about some disconnect. If there are problems brewing with MArshall and Cutler, I dont expect Marshall to continue getting killed with every jump ball that is getting thrown in his direction.

The guys that are not mentioned in the records are guys like McMahon and Grossman, two that rode a great defense to the superbowl.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

It was too bad Cutler didn't make the playoffs last season, because he deserved to. He played GREAT in the final game of the season with the division title on the line. A passer rating over 100, a lot higher than the rating Aaron Rodgers had in that game. Jeffery dropped the deep sideline pass that would have sealed the game, and then the defense allowed Rodgers to go down the field with only a tiny amount of time left. Really a shame, but Cutler showed that he can come up big in a huge game with the playoffs on the line. How quickly fans forget that.

 

[Wounded Bear]

To be fair, I was a Jay Cutler "nuthugger" for the first four years he was here in Chicago even though his play was far below impressive or acceptable. The reason I stood behind Jay was because Chicago had an absolutely horrible offensive line. I mean out of the 5 starters, only 4 of them deserved to be starters......and Roberta Garza was not texactly he greatest, but good enough.

The second reason I stood behind Jay was because our receivers were horrible. Guys like Johnny Knox, Earl Bennett, Rashied Davis,and Devin Aromashadu were, at best, number 3 and number 4 receivers on most other teams.

The final reason why I was a Jay Cutler "nuthugger" was that he had offensive coordinators like Ron Turner, Mike Martz, and Mike Tice.....dudes who wouldn't be good even if they were calling high school football games.

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When we got legitimate Offensive Coordinator such as Trestman and drafted guys like Kyle Long, Jordan Mills, and Alshon Jeffery, got Free Agent acquisitions like Bushrod, Slauson, Brandon Marshall, Santonio Holmes, etc., I felt the front office had done nothing but set Jay Cutler up for success. In my mind, now it's up to Jay to clean up his play, go through the motions of the fundamentals required for good football play because, in my estimation, there is no good reason why our offense isn't putting up 30+ points per game.

Now, I've been reading through this thread and several folk have been saying that the main reason why our offense hasn't been performing well is due to the lack of balance in Trestman's play calling. I think that reasoning is bullshit...but let me explain why.

Matt Forte leads the league in receptions. What I have noticed while watching the games is that our offensive line is not that decent at run blocking especially early on during the game, but they seem to be very good at protecting Jay during pass plays......it's not perfect, but pretty good. So what Trestman has done is he is using these short passes to Forte in lieu of running the ball to get him past the first line of defense so that we are indeed "running the ball" on these short pass plays.

Later on in the game Trestman seems to call actual run plays more because the defense is looking for the pass, which makes for some good yardage on these later in the game run plays.

Another point people are making is that our defense sucks and it is affecting our offense. That's true to some extent, but when our offense gets on the field they seem to sputter and I tend to blame it on Jay. People are saying that Jay has only thrown 7 interceptions this year, but the timing of the interceptions as well as where the the interceptions are thrown are very important if we are to give those statistics some proper context.

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So to answer your question Joey, I would say that I have not a lot of confidence with Jay Cutler at this point. IF Jay can be salvaged after all of the abuse he has been through, I believe Marc Trestman is the man for the job. IF Jay doesn't show any positive consistency in the last 6 games or so, I am hoping the Bears draft a top QB and sit him for the next year or years until he's ready to take the reins from Jay. Ultimately we either cut or trade Jay and eat the dead money in future years salary cap.

Lastly, on the KFFL board, Emery was prematurely anointed as the savior of the Chicago Bears. Jay played, in my estimation, shittily last year (2013). Whether it was due to injuries or because it was due to the fourth new system and OC in as many years, Jay didn't seem to play that well, so I felt we had leverage at getting Jay at a pretty reasonable price. Here comes Phil Emery and he gives Jay a contract worthy of the NFL's elite......really dumb move as far as I'm concerned.

To be clear, I would LOVE to eat my words at the end of the season if and when Jay is playing great ball, but right now I don't think that I am wrong.

I hope my post, even if you don't agree with it, was respectful in tone.

 

[LambeauLegs]

Eddie Vedder hopes Bears-Packers pull off an Aaron Rodgers-for-Jay Cutler trade | CSN Chicago

Eddie Vedder hopes Bears-Packers pull off an Aaron Rodgers-for-Jay Cutler trade

Maybe Eddie Vedder should've pursued a different career path.


The Pearl Jam frontman is a noted Chicago fan, rooting on both the Cubs and Bears year-round.


But during a concert in Milwaukee Monday night, Vedder apparently dedicated "Given to Fly" to Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers and decided to try his hand at GM:

It wasn't just a joke, either. Vedder said he actually asked Rodgers about the deal backstage before the show:

Rodgers and Cutler are reportedly good friends off the field and Vedder was just paying homage to one of the greatest QBs in the game (while simultaneously hating on Cutler), so don't read too much into this.

But hey, if there was a way to actually pull this move off, I doubt any Bears fan would hesitate in the slightest.

Eddie Vedder: "You know what would really be great? If we could trade Aaron Rodgers to the 9:53 PM - 20 Oct 2014[/ame]



Eddie Vedder said he asked Aaron Rodgers if he could be traded straight up for Jay Cutler. "I've never seen a grown man laugh so hard."
[ame="[MEDIA=twitter]524393503162662912[/MEDIA]"]9:55 PM - 20 Oct 2014[/ame] Milwaukee, WI, United States

 

[NCChiFan]

Who the hell is Eddie Vedder?

 

[LambeauLegs]

Who the hell is Eddie Vedder?

As noted in the article he is from the band Pearl Jam which was playing in Milwaukee lat night and Rodgers is a fan of that band and Rodgers and some of the Packers were at the concert as well. Fedder met Rodgers back stage prior to the concert and asked if he would want to be traded

 

[nebearsfan70]

To be fair, I was a Jay Cutler "nuthugger" for the first four years he was here in Chicago even though his play was far below impressive or acceptable. The reason I stood behind Jay was because Chicago had an absolutely horrible offensive line. I mean out of the 5 starters, only 4 of them deserved to be starters......and Roberta Garza was not texactly he greatest, but good enough.

The second reason I stood behind Jay was because our receivers were horrible. Guys like Johnny Knox, Earl Bennett, Rashied Davis,and Devin Aromashadu were, at best, number 3 and number 4 receivers on most other teams.

The final reason why I was a Jay Cutler "nuthugger" was that he had offensive coordinators like Ron Turner, Mike Martz, and Mike Tice.....dudes who wouldn't be good even if they were calling high school football games.

--------------------------------

When we got legitimate Offensive Coordinator such as Trestman and drafted guys like Kyle Long, Jordan Mills, and Alshon Jeffery, got Free Agent acquisitions like Bushrod, Slauson, Brandon Marshall, Santonio Holmes, etc., I felt the front office had done nothing but set Jay Cutler up for success. In my mind, now it's up to Jay to clean up his play, go through the motions of the fundamentals required for good football play because, in my estimation, there is no good reason why our offense isn't putting up 30+ points per game.

Now, I've been reading through this thread and several folk have been saying that the main reason why our offense hasn't been performing well is due to the lack of balance in Trestman's play calling. I think that reasoning is bullshit...but let me explain why.

Matt Forte leads the league in receptions. What I have noticed while watching the games is that our offensive line is not that decent at run blocking especially early on during the game, but they seem to be very good at protecting Jay during pass plays......it's not perfect, but pretty good. So what Trestman has done is he is using these short passes to Forte in lieu of running the ball to get him past the first line of defense so that we are indeed "running the ball" on these short pass plays.

Later on in the game Trestman seems to call actual run plays more because the defense is looking for the pass, which makes for some good yardage on these later in the game run plays.

Another point people are making is that our defense sucks and it is affecting our offense. That's true to some extent, but when our offense gets on the field they seem to sputter and I tend to blame it on Jay. People are saying that Jay has only thrown 7 interceptions this year, but the timing of the interceptions as well as where the the interceptions are thrown are very important if we are to give those statistics some proper context.

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So to answer your question Joey, I would say that I have not a lot of confidence with Jay Cutler at this point. IF Jay can be salvaged after all of the abuse he has been through, I believe Marc Trestman is the man for the job. IF Jay doesn't show any positive consistency in the last 6 games or so, I am hoping the Bears draft a top QB and sit him for the next year or years until he's ready to take the reins from Jay. Ultimately we either cut or trade Jay and eat the dead money in future years salary cap.

Lastly, on the KFFL board, Emery was prematurely anointed as the savior of the Chicago Bears. Jay played, in my estimation, shittily last year (2013). Whether it was due to injuries or because it was due to the fourth new system and OC in as many years, Jay didn't seem to play that well, so I felt we had leverage at getting Jay at a pretty reasonable price. Here comes Phil Emery and he gives Jay a contract worthy of the NFL's elite......really dumb move as far as I'm concerned.

To be clear, I would LOVE to eat my words at the end of the season if and when Jay is playing great ball, but right now I don't think that I am wrong.

I hope my post, even if you don't agree with it, was respectful in tone.

Very good wounded! You are a great poster and you and I think alike about these Bears.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

It was too bad Cutler didn't make the playoffs last season, because he deserved to. He played GREAT in the final game of the season with the division title on the line. A passer rating over 100, a lot higher than the rating Aaron Rodgers had in that game. Jeffery dropped the deep sideline pass that would have sealed the game, and then the defense allowed Rodgers to go down the field with only a tiny amount of time left. Really a shame, but Cutler showed that he can come up big in a huge game with the playoffs on the line. How quickly fans forget that.

You have - probably inadvertently - put your finger on the problem. Cutler's cumulative stats are fine, except he is way up there in interceptions. But he doesn't usually have games where he averages his interceptions. They come in bunches. He has games with zero, but then the next game, he doesn't throw one, he throws two. And he has done this FOR YEARS. In the playoffs, that simply is not going to work. He might win us a playoff game. He might even win us two. What are the chances of him throwing zero interceptions 3 or 4 games in a row against playoff defenses?

Come on...we all - even the "nuthuggers" know this. He is erratic. It isn't that he is not a QB capable of great plays. He is. He makes passes that make me go "damn, he is an amazing QB." But he simply fucks up too much. And that isn't changing. Even with every tool at his disposal, he is still doing it. And the Bear losses this season, they fall disproportionately on him.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

You have - probably inadvertently - put your finger on the problem. Cutler's cumulative stats are fine, except he is way up there in interceptions. But he doesn't usually have games where he averages his interceptions. They come in bunches. He has games with zero, but then the next game, he doesn't throw one, he throws two. And he has done this FOR YEARS. In the playoffs, that simply is not going to work. He might win us a playoff game. He might even win us two. What are the chances of him throwing zero interceptions 3 or 4 games in a row against playoff defenses?

Come on...we all - even the "nuthuggers" know this. He is erratic. It isn't that he is not a QB capable of great plays. He is. He makes passes that make me go "damn, he is an amazing QB." But he simply fucks up too much. And that isn't changing. Even with every tool at his disposal, he is still doing it. And the Bear losses this season, they fall disproportionately on him.

I think only the Buffalo loss you can completely blame on Cutler. That INT clearly cost them the game. The other 3 losses, there were plenty of reason. For example the Carolina loss. Forte's fumble late in the 4th quarter when the game was tied was the biggest play of that game. Gould's missed chip shot FG was huge too. Did you read the quotes from Panthers players after that game? They said that when Gould missed that chip shot, they made a big deal out of it in the huddle. They said that was their break and they used that to change the momentum of the game. That game probably not only would have been a Bears win, but a blowout win had Gould not missed that. The Panthers looked dead as a doornail until Gould missed that. So with how HUGE the Gould miss and Forte fumble were, I don't know how anyone can say Cutler cost them that game. He made a couple mistakes but also made a lot of great plays, and they would have won if not for the Gould and Forte blunders. The season would look a lot better now at 4-3 rather than 3-4.

I do think the Bears will win in New England. I'm betting they use all this turmoil to prove everyone wrong and play a big game. Remember the Pats were in a similar situation a few weeks ago. Lots of turmoil with Brady upset and even talk that Brady wasn't gonna finish his career with the Pats. They looked in shambles, but they used it as motivation and have played great since. We have to hope the Bears can do the same.