Its been a fun season guys

[Sharkonabicycle]

Geno will not be on the current deal if he's the starter in 2025, which I will bet he is. You gotta take into consideration the chronology of how the off-season goes. Free agency happens well before the draft, and the NFLPA will never let it be the other way around. We simply are not going to kick Geno to the curb and essentially go into the draft without any kind of experienced QB, and we are not going to gulp down Geno's dead cap hit just to turn around and pay even more $ for a quality veteran. It's not happening.

"Big money" is very subjective, and I think they'll get an extension done that makes Geno's 2025 cap hit no more than 12% of the cap, maybe less. If you cut him before the 2025 roster bonus kicks in, it's a dead cap hit of $13.5M. If he plays out the current deal (not happening), it's a cap hit of $44M because of those $6M in escalators that will be included in the roster bonus for next year. A 12% cap hit is probably going to be around $33M for 2025, and I suspect they can get under that. That makes him probably middle of the pack for QB cap cost, and that's not a bad deal at all when you have no clue what the alternative might be but pretty sure it would be a downgrade unless you REALLY want to spend "big money" on a QB. And even then, you might lose the bidding war.

Always easy to recommend risky courses of action when someone else will be held accountable. Macdonald isn't going to make some big gamble at the most important position. It's just not what NFL teams do. Even if we make some huge trade in the draft and get Cam Ward, you can have him watch for a year or 2 and be just fine cap-wise.

Agreed. And people saying go get Sam Darnold? WHY!? His season was basically IDENTICAL to Geno's 2022 season (I mean go look at them if you don't believe me, hell even sacks taken lol). Difference was Seattle's run game was averaging the same YPC as the Vikes (sure as hell wasn't the last two years) and the Vikes defense was average, and didn't completely suck ass... hence the 14-3 vs. 9-8... (yes, a bottom 3 defense vs. an average one prob. accounts for 4 wins).

The only difference was, Geno was already under contract and everyone was like, "HOLY *(@& SEATTLE GOT A STEAL WTF GENO!?"

Darnold (if Minny lets him walk) is going to probably command some massive contract because granted he's younger than Geno and was a 1st round pick... that seems absurd to me to pay it while eating another $13M in dead cap.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Agreed. And people saying go get Sam Darnold? WHY!? His season was basically IDENTICAL to Geno's 2022 season (I mean go look at them if you don't believe me, hell even sacks taken lol). Difference was Seattle's run game was averaging the same YPC as the Vikes (sure as hell wasn't the last two years) and the Vikes defense was average, and didn't completely suck ass... hence the 14-3 vs. 9-8... (yes, a bottom 3 defense vs. an average one prob. accounts for 4 wins).

The only difference was, Geno was already under contract and everyone was like, "HOLY *(@& SEATTLE GOT A STEAL WTF GENO!?"

Darnold (if Minny lets him walk) is going to probably command some massive contract because granted he's younger than Geno and was a 1st round pick... that seems absurd to me to pay it while eating another $13M in dead cap.

Darnold melts under pressure same as Geno, imagine him behind the Seahawks OL. He will likely receive a big contract from some team in a bind for a QB, don't let it be the Seahawks please.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Darnold melts under pressure same as Geno, imagine him behind the Seahawks OL. He will likely receive a big contract from some team in a bind for a QB, don't let it be the Seahawks please.

Agreed 100%. I don't think Darnold solves anything. You're going to be stuck with basically Geno 2.0 at best, for a massive contract. You can extend/buy Geno lower now because of the season. Missed playoffs, 90 rating, 21 TDs only (4 of which came in a garbage time game where Rams rested, etc.).

 

[MrS]

Darnold melts under pressure same as Geno, imagine him behind the Seahawks OL. He will likely receive a big contract from some team in a bind for a QB, don't let it be the Seahawks please.

Good point, darnold isnt tom brady so lets stick with geno.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Good point, darnold isnt tom brady so lets stick with geno.

Really depends if a team friendly deal can be worked out with Geno, need someone to get us to the 2026 draft and then hopefully the Seahawks can land the right prospect at QB. Don't want to be locked into any of the weak options out there beyond 2025 or invest much money in a bridge to 2025. Darnold going to be costly and want multi year contract, but if Darnold would sign a inexpensive one year deal I'd be OK with that.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Geno will not be on the current deal if he's the starter in 2025, which I will bet he is. You gotta take into consideration the chronology of how the off-season goes. Free agency happens well before the draft, and the NFLPA will never let it be the other way around. We simply are not going to kick Geno to the curb and essentially go into the draft without any kind of experienced QB, and we are not going to gulp down Geno's dead cap hit just to turn around and pay even more $ for a quality veteran. It's not happening.

"Big money" is very subjective, and I think they'll get an extension done that makes Geno's 2025 cap hit no more than 12% of the cap, maybe less. If you cut him before the 2025 roster bonus kicks in, it's a dead cap hit of $13.5M. If he plays out the current deal (not happening), it's a cap hit of $44M because of those $6M in escalators that will be included in the roster bonus for next year. A 12% cap hit is probably going to be around $33M for 2025, and I suspect they can get under that. That makes him probably middle of the pack for QB cap cost, and that's not a bad deal at all when you have no clue what the alternative might be but pretty sure it would be a downgrade unless you REALLY want to spend "big money" on a QB. And even then, you might lose the bidding war.

Always easy to recommend risky courses of action when someone else will be held accountable. Macdonald isn't going to make some big gamble at the most important position. It's just not what NFL teams do. Even if we make some huge trade in the draft and get Cam Ward, you can have him watch for a year or 2 and be just fine cap-wise.

Pete did it, we picked up Flynn, gave him a hefty payday only to let tase the pine after drafting a 3rd round QB … So teams do take gambles… Maybe they have a QB they’re targeting in the draft ? I’m not saying I’m right, I just go with my gut, and my gut says they move on from Geno, but I’ve been wrong before, let’s wait and see …

 

[Screamin12th]

Pete did it, we picked up Flynn, gave him a hefty payday only to let tase the pine after drafting a 3rd round QB … So teams do take gambles… Maybe they have a QB they’re targeting in the draft ? I’m not saying I’m right, I just go with my gut, and my gut says they move on from Geno, but I’ve been wrong before, let’s wait and see …

He did it twice, he also TRADED AWAY Wilson and went with a never has been Back-up QB that had proved NOTHING in the NFL other than he was REALLY bad for some really bad teams.

 

[MrS]

Pete did it, we picked up Flynn, gave him a hefty payday only to let tase the pine after drafting a 3rd round QB … So teams do take gambles… Maybe they have a QB they’re targeting in the draft ? I’m not saying I’m right, I just go with my gut, and my gut says they move on from Geno, but I’ve been wrong before, let’s wait and see …

ill be shocked if geno is not starting next year.
the biggest change personnel wise will be a new washed up LG on a one year deal.

 

[JMR]

Pete did it, we picked up Flynn, gave him a hefty payday only to let tase the pine after drafting a 3rd round QB … So teams do take gambles… Maybe they have a QB they’re targeting in the draft ? I’m not saying I’m right, I just go with my gut, and my gut says they move on from Geno, but I’ve been wrong before, let’s wait and see …

We went into the off-season of 2012 coming off a 2nd straight 7-9 record, and we had no established starting QB. Tarvaris Jackson was a 1-year placeholder in '11 after a decade of Hasselbeck, a year in which Jackson had a passer rating of 79 and only 14 TDs to 13 INTs. He played in 0 games in the '12 season after Seattle traded him to Buffalo pre-season. The 2 situations are not remotely similar, but I guess we'll see how it works out.

We may very well have our eye on someone in the draft (I hope we do), but drafting a guy and extending Geno are not mutually exclusive moves. To the contrary, I think it would be very prudent to have veteran stability at QB and get your QBOTF so you don't have to throw that youngster to the wolves right away behind what we all know is a porous OL. You also have to decide on Geno before you have a clue how the draft goes, which is a huge factor in this decision.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

We went into the off-season of 2012 coming off a 2nd straight 7-9 record, and we had no established starting QB. Tarvaris Jackson was a 1-year placeholder in '11 after a decade of Hasselbeck, a year in which Jackson had a passer rating of 79 and only 14 TDs to 13 INTs. He played in 0 games in the '12 season after Seattle traded him to Buffalo pre-season. The 2 situations are not remotely similar, but I guess we'll see how it works out.

We may very well have our eye on someone in the draft (I hope we do), but drafting a guy and extending Geno are not mutually exclusive moves. To the contrary, I think it would be very prudent to have veteran stability at QB and get your QBOTF so you don't have to throw that youngster to the wolves right away behind what we all know is a porous OL. You also have to decide on Geno before you have a clue how the draft goes, which is a huge factor in this decision.

Yah we'll see... but this QB class is horrible, and now it seems like guys might be returning to school. I see Geno getting an extension with 1-2 void years in 28/29 or something anyway.

And I've said numerous times. When Geno had a run game averaging 4.8 YPC (identical to Minnesota) he got an MVP vote and was basically IDENTICAL to Sam Darnold who is basically the hottest potential trade target at the moment, lol. Minny just went 14-3 because their defense was average and ours in 2022 sucked complete ass. I know I've said this before but just sayin...

I have zero issue extending Geno and putting some void years in place and waiting until 2026. We have bigger issues at OL/DL and LBer to think about, and if we don't want to resign DK, we have WR too... OL/DL has some DECENT stuff in the 1st/2nd round (especially IOL, although you're converting OTs, but then again Lucas might not be good to go either, so great, you get a twofer) and WR is fairly good in the mid rounds. ILB is just terrible in this draft, but that's Mike's specialty so maybe he can find a gem like Knight again.

This draft is generally terrible up front but it has some DECENT starters in the middle of it. IMO if Seattle can trade back that'd be ideal. There's not a TON of amazing 1st round talent in this draft... so unless someone falls to us at 18, move out.

And I know Howell looks to suck ass, but he's still cheap AF for another year and MAYBE something clicks. He's still only 24.