Is Philip Rivers a HOFer?

[sonnyblack65]

It's so weird we hold QBs to this " they dont have a ring " standard when we don't do it with any other positions. Football is the ultimate team sport but in this once instance ( how great was this QBs career ) we assign all a teams success/failure to them

It's kind of preposterous really

No rings, no MVPs, no passing records, not even for any 1 season. Don't think he was considered top 5 in any 1 season. Sorry but your boy Ryan doesn't get in and neither does Alex Smith like some unintelligent poster mentioned

 

[UK Cowboy]

Rivers is not a HOFer lol. If he is, then Tony Romo and Matt Stafford may as well get a gold jacket as well

 

[rmilia1]

No rings, no MVPs, no passing records, not even for any 1 season. Don't think he was considered top 5 in any 1 season. Sorry but your boy Ryan doesn't get in and neither does Alex Smith like some unintelligent poster mentioned

Ryan has a much better argument than Rivers but I think both get it. Smith has no shot lol

 

[Iggloo]

I voted no. He was never a champion, never the best QB in the league. He compiled some big stats due to longevity but has zero HOF caliber qualities in my book.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Ryan has a much better argument than Rivers but I think both get it. Smith has no shot lol

Sure he does but IMO both aren't in yet, Ryan of course with his MVP and SB appearance, can if he finishes with a few more fantastic seasons. I like Ryan as BC is the closest Div1 football team to me and is the sister college to my son's HS in RI. When you think of QB for Atl you think of Ryan and then Vick and in SD it's Fout and then Rivers

 

[rmilia1]

Sure he does but IMO both aren't in yet, Ryan of course with his MVP and SB appearance, can if he finishes with a few more fantastic seasons. I like Ryan as BC is the closest Div1 football team to me and is the sister college to my son's HS in RI. When you think of QB for Atl you think of Ryan and then Vick and in SD it's Fout and then Rivers

Itll be interesting to see what happens with Rivers . He's already top 10 all time in nearly every metric you can think if for QBs. If he gets in then Ryan is a lock . If he doesn't then it'll be close . Ryan will likely finish top 5 all time in most every stat ( or top 10 in the ones he's not top 5 In ) and will almost certainly have more personal accolades, wins and team success. Plus being a WAY better postseason QB

 

[sonnyblack65]

Itll be interesting to see what happens with Rivers . He's already top 10 all time in nearly every metric you can think if for QBs. If he gets in then Ryan is a lock . If he doesn't then it'll be close . Ryan will likely finish top 5 all time in most every stat ( or top 10 in the ones he's not top 5 In ) and will almost certainly have more personal accolades, wins and team success. Plus being a WAY better postseason QB

Sure but with the all rule changes esp in 05,it has become a passing league. When Marino put up 5k, with the old rules that was truly amazing, and now it's not as impressive, especially for a dome QB. I rather go with a guy who can be top 5 for say 10 solid years than one that is 6-15 for 15 years. That's why it's funny for the younger guys who try and compare stats with diff eras, apples and avacados

 

[rmilia1]

Sure but with the all rule changes esp in 05,it has become a passing league. When Marino put up 5k, with the old rules that was truly amazing, and now it's not as impressive, especially for a dome QB. I rather go with a guy who can be top 5 for say 10 solid years than one that is 6-15 for 15 years. That's why it's funny for the younger guys who try and compare stats with diff eras, apples and avacados

True but it's still how they judge it mostly . You're not wrong but I just don't see a top 5 guy all time in yards and TDs, top 10 in wins , with a MVP at least 1 SB appearance not getting in. That would be a huge veer off the normal path. Rivers is more interesting though . Hes like a juiced up Carson Palmer so I can see the debate

 

[Dolemite censored]

Get some education, instead of embarrassing yourself here BJView attachment 262901

Its impossible to embarrass yourself on SportsHoopla. Fuck you.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Its impossible to embarrass yourself on SportsHoopla. Fuck you.

Parents must be proud, profanity to defend yourself.

 

[LambeauLegs]

Top 10 quarterbacks to never win a Super Bowl: Where does Philip Rivers rank?

Philip Rivers is retiring after 17 NFL seasons, having logged eight Pro Bowls and seven playoff appearances. But he didn't hoist the Lombardi Trophy. Where does Rivers rank among quarterbacks who never won a Super Bowl? Adam Rank lists his top 10.

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[We Are Decent]

Rivers was good, not good enough for the HOF, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got in.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

Ryan has a much better argument than Rivers but I think both get it. Smith has no shot lol

I don't really give a shit about hall of fame things.

But those 2 would be worthy if I cared.

It's not just about SBs and MVPs. To me anyway.

 

[rmilia1]

Top 10 quarterbacks to never win a Super Bowl: Where does Philip Rivers rank?

Philip Rivers is retiring after 17 NFL seasons, having logged eight Pro Bowls and seven playoff appearances. But he didn't hoist the Lombardi Trophy. Where does Rivers rank among quarterbacks who never won a Super Bowl? Adam Rank lists his top 10.

www.nfl.com

That's an awful list lol . At least they got a few right

 

[Pure Steel]

Top 10 quarterbacks to never win a Super Bowl: Where does Philip Rivers rank?

Philip Rivers is retiring after 17 NFL seasons, having logged eight Pro Bowls and seven playoff appearances. But he didn't hoist the Lombardi Trophy. Where does Rivers rank among quarterbacks who never won a Super Bowl? Adam Rank lists his top 10.

www.nfl.com

Ken Anderson not in the top 10 is criminal.....Played in an era where games were like a prison fight and put up good numbers against some of the best NFL teams ever.....

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

That's an awful list lol . At least they got a few right

It's Adam Rank. The guys a fantasy geek and a moron.

 

[wazzu31]

I always go by the reaction test. When you hear a guys' name, you immediately say "YES" and that's a HOF'er. If you hesitate - the answer is likely no, but as we've discussed before on here, the HOF is also the Hall of Really good.

Peyton Manning -Yes
Tom Brady - Yes.
Drew Brees- Yes.

Phillip Rivers - ehhhhhhhh

I think he'll eventually get in, as his stats are up there with guys, but to me he's not an all-time great, and that is what the HOF should be for. He was very good during his years, but he was not "great". Maybe for a few years, but certainly not long-enough, IMO.

Couldn’t the only good for a few years be used for everyone? Tom Brady for sure, but I truly don’t see how Peyton Manning and Drew Brees are far superior. Brees has one ring and Manning has two where his defense carried him.

 

[rmilia1]

Couldn’t the only good for a few years be used for everyone? Tom Brady for sure, but I truly don’t see how Peyton Manning and Drew Brees are far superior. Brees has one ring and Manning has two where his defense carried him.

The problem for QBs in this Era is they all get comped to Brady. If Brady didn't exist and people said "what about Rivers" you'd think " well he's not all that far off from the greats of his time ". Its like basketball players in the 90s. The natural comp was MJ which simply isn't fair to them

 

[fastforward]

I think he'll get in because an 8 ProBowl résumé will, (eventually), carry the day. Looking at a list of 21st Century QBs who are or will be in the HoF, (Favre, Warner, Brady, P. Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Mahomes, & probably others i've missed), Rivers isn't really in that class. I guess it could be a long wait unless he does something else, (coaching or broadcasting), that adds to the résumé.

I was surprised at how few QBs have gotten in since 2000. I guess it's partly down to new rules, and better training extending careers.

 

[wazzu31]

The problem for QBs in this Era is they all get comped to Brady. If Brady didn't exist and people said "what about Rivers" you'd think " well he's not all that far off from the greats of his time ". Its like basketball players in the 90s. The natural comp was MJ which simply isn't fair to them

I am not questioning that. Nor am I advocating for Rivers or saying people should put him top 5. My only question is how can someone say Peyton Manning and Drew Brees are easy first ballot HOFer’s but saying eh, Rivers doesn’t belong when they are all the exact same players except for the rings.