Is Nebraska having buyers remorse?

[Jack_John_Mark]

 

[Pariah]

Missouri and aTm aren't having any...that's for sure.

 

[ericd7633]

I would like to know the strength of schedule on above records/years. Have hunch ND had tougher, but not sure.

ND's SOS was better over that decade.

 

[Red_Alert]

ND's SOS was better over that decade.

The numbers posted say your statement is false.

2013 (9-4) (9-4)
2012 (12-1*) (10-4)
2011 (8-5) (9-4)
2010 (8-5) (10-4)
2009 (6-6) (10-4)
2008 (6-6) (9-4)
2007 (3-9) (5-7) In Nebraska's worst year, ND managed to suck worse.
2006 (10-3) (9-5)
2005 (9-3) (8-4)
2004 (6-6) (5-6)
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Wins..67.......83

.....ND...NU

04: 8 & 68th
05: 3 & 14
06: 16 & 31
07: 62 & 45
08: 56 & 38
09: 52 & 40
10: 29 & 25
11: 29 & 23
12: 6 & 13
13: 44 & 39

There you go, I'm not sure where to take it from here ??

Only 2004 did ND have a 'substantially' tougher schedule.
'Overall' ND had a tougher SOS 4 out of 10 times.

 

[ericd7633]

Help yourself. You'll find some service academy losses in there.

I'm not sure why people continue to rag on Navy. They've made a bowl game 9 out of the 10 years and have averaged 8 and a half wins a year. For being ND's supposed gimme game every year it's certainly no push over program that other teams routinely schedule.

 

[ericd7633]

The numbers posted say your statement is false.



Only 2004 did ND have a 'substantially' tougher schedule.
'Overall' ND had a tougher SOS 4 out of 10 times.

I didn't post those numbers. Going by the Colley matrix SOS numbers over the last 10 years ND's average SOS was harder. ND's average was 26.2. Nebraska's was 32.4. Not by a lot but still overall tougher than Nebraska's.

 

[Codaxx]

Well, then you better start requesting your school to make the move then.

Quit talking about it, and do some action on your end to make it happen. Obviously the Big 12 is garbage, and Texas needs to plant their feet in the Pac 12 or ACC. You can't afford to miss out on the opportunity, and strike for action now!

Or are you just trolling some more?

I am just being honest. I do not think the Big 10 or the Big 12 are positioned particularly well. Notice that I am being objective in my statements and providing the reasons behind my posts. I am not saying Big 12 is awesome and the Big 10 sucks. YOu are simply posting all is good at Nebraska and the Big 10 and the Big 12 sucks.

 

[bigred472]

Again, the BTN won't help with football recruiting. The BTN is there to make a crap load of money for the schools, which it is great at. The big 10 schools are going to have to go outside the region and play games outside the region to have a footprint in the south. Schools like Nebraska are going to have a tough time recruiting the Midwest and beating the likes of OSU, Michigan and Notre Dame. Which is another reason why going to the B1G has hurt the Nebraska brand. They can't recruit as well as they did in the big 8/12.

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That's your assumption. Truth be told, the B1G now has the biggest land grab for it's network than any other conference. Yes, some of it is about money but a school like Rutgers gets the conference into the NE region. That was an untapped resource unless you want to count PSU. Same with Maryland. No it's not the deep south BUT it gives the B1G exposure in a region they didn't have access to before. And at some point it will help in recruiting in all sports.

 

[Codaxx]

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That's your assumption. Truth be told, the B1G now has the biggest land grab for it's network than any other conference. Yes, some of it is about money but a school like Rutgers gets the conference into the NE region. That was an untapped resource unless you want to count PSU. Same with Maryland. No it's not the deep south BUT it gives the B1G exposure in a region they didn't have access to before. And at some point it will help in recruiting in all sports.

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Rutgers gives absolutely nothing except a local school to charge more. Their following is next to nothing. You can find more Michigan and OSU bars in NYC. PSU gave Big 10 a lot more exposure to the area than Rutgers ever will.

 

[ericd7633]

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That's your assumption. Truth be told, the B1G now has the biggest land grab for it's network than any other conference. Yes, some of it is about money but a school like Rutgers gets the conference into the NE region. That was an untapped resource unless you want to count PSU. Same with Maryland. No it's not the deep south BUT it gives the B1G exposure in a region they didn't have access to before. And at some point it will help in recruiting in all sports.

Southern Ohio is more southern than college park Maryland is. It isn't going to attract kids from the south by adding Maryland. Maryland and Rutgers were added to get NY/NJ subscribers for the BTN and the Delmarva area. This may help Rutgers bc they're going from the AAC to the B1G but I can't see these B1G teams pulling kids from those areas now.

 

[Oney]

Ohio State has recruited out of NJ and Maryland very recently.

Dude, after reading this thread, you need to go back and do some research. You know nothing about the B1G.

 

[ericd7633]

Ohio State has recruited out of NJ and Maryland very recently.

Dude, after reading this thread, you need to go back and do some research. You know nothing about the B1G.

Yeah and they recruit Florida, and the rest of the south too. Ohio St doesn't have a problem recruiting. Same with Michigan and now PSU to an extent. This is for the other 11 teams in conference. Ohio St also isn't the program dragging the conference down.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

There is this thing called the CIC for the B1G, the academic research side of the B1G. The CIC is going to have 50% plus of all the federal grant dollars. Something like $6,000,000,000 per year to the current members of the CIC. Considering the CIC is only 16 schools, that is a lot of cash.

Currently, Washington DC is almost surrounded by the B1G. Maryland(12 miles to DC), Johns Hopkins(Baltimore Maryland 40 miles to DC), Rutgers(New Jersey 198 miles, also a campus in Washington DC), and Penn State(State College Penn 220 miles).

Just need Virginia, to complete the encirclement. University of Virginia 120 miles to Washington DC.

Nebraska is getting a small increase in their research dollars currently. something like $20,000,000 per year increase because of the CIC, but as the new members get absorbed into the CIC and make their network connections I suspect Nebraska will be upwards of $400,000,000 in CIC money by 2020 per year. Which is around a $150,000,000 per year increase over what it was in 2012.

Add that to the B1G sports money and you are talking a nearly $200,000,000 per year increase in the payout to Nebraska for being in the B1G. The last year Nebraska was in the Big 12 Nebraska would have received $9,300,000 but that money was forfeited to the Big 12.

Let us compare the math

Assuming Nebraska would have stayed in the Big 12, where there is ZERO academic cooperation such as the CIC, Nebraska would have earned $22,000,000 from the Big 12 in 2012/2013. Nebraska actually had an increase of $35,000,000(CIC money and Nebraska share of the Big Ten Network) for that year by being in the B1G.

$35,000,000 - $22,000,000 = $13,000,000 more than if Nebraska would have stayed in the Big 12.

Nebraska has no remorse whatsoever.

 

[ericd7633]

There is this thing called the CIC for the B1G, the academic research side of the B1G. The CIC is going to have 50% plus of all the federal grant dollars. Something like $6,000,000,000 per year to the current members of the CIC. Considering the CIC is only 16 schools, that is a lot of cash.

Currently, Washington DC is almost surrounded by the B1G. Maryland(12 miles to DC), Johns Hopkins(Baltimore Maryland 40 miles to DC), Rutgers(New Jersey 198 miles, also a campus in Washington DC), and Penn State(State College Penn 220 miles).

Just need Virginia, to complete the encirclement. University of Virginia 120 miles to Washington DC.

Nebraska is getting a small increase in their research dollars currently. something like $20,000,000 per year increase because of the CIC, but as the new members get absorbed into the CIC and make their network connections I suspect Nebraska will be upwards of $400,000,000 in CIC money by 2020 per year. Which is around a $150,000,000 per year increase over what it was in 2012.

Add that to the B1G sports money and you are talking a nearly $200,000,000 per year increase in the payout to Nebraska for being in the B1G. The last year Nebraska was in the Big 12 Nebraska would have received $9,300,000 but that money was forfeited to the Big 12.

Let us compare the math

Assuming Nebraska would have stayed in the Big 12, where there is ZERO academic cooperation such as the CIC, Nebraska would have earned $22,000,000 from the Big 12 in 2012/2013. Nebraska actually had an increase of $35,000,000(CIC money and Nebraska share of the Big Ten Network) for that year by being in the B1G.

$35,000,000 - $22,000,000 = $13,000,000 more than if Nebraska would have stayed in the Big 12.

Nebraska has no remorse whatsoever.

I've always said the university made the correct choice. It just looks like with the addition of MD and Rutgers it looks like it was at the expense of the football team. How's the brand benefit? Outside of the monetary gain.

 

[Oney]

Yeah and they recruit Florida, and the rest of the south too. Ohio St doesn't have a problem recruiting. Same with Michigan and now PSU to an extent. This is for the other 11 teams in conference. Ohio St also isn't the program dragging the conference down.

Yes, but the addition of Maryland and Rutgers wasn't for the purpose of football recruiting. But it does help. The main thing is that now pretty much every single game is televised on a national level. I went from paying $20 bucks for ppv 4-5 times per year, to now being able to watch every game. And that is for every team in the conference. Now that's increased greatly just by the number of televisions that it's available on. The B1G now exists in 40% of the country, and ALL of those games are available nationally through the BTN. From a recruiting standpoint though, the addition of Maryland and Rutgers will likely start to show up in basketball, soccer, and lacrosse in the next few years. They just are not football recruiting hot beds. But now Nebraska has a presence in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Sure their Texas presence has diminished to an extent, but look how many major schools are pilfering Texas, and now the SEC schools are in there.

I don't think they will drag the conference down in any way, shape or form. They certainly won't hurt recruiting in football. There's nothing that says they will. If it did, why would a team like ND make an agreement with the ACC?

 

[Codaxx]

There is this thing called the CIC for the B1G, the academic research side of the B1G. The CIC is going to have 50% plus of all the federal grant dollars. Something like $6,000,000,000 per year to the current members of the CIC. Considering the CIC is only 16 schools, that is a lot of cash.

Currently, Washington DC is almost surrounded by the B1G. Maryland(12 miles to DC), Johns Hopkins(Baltimore Maryland 40 miles to DC), Rutgers(New Jersey 198 miles, also a campus in Washington DC), and Penn State(State College Penn 220 miles).

Just need Virginia, to complete the encirclement. University of Virginia 120 miles to Washington DC.

Nebraska is getting a small increase in their research dollars currently. something like $20,000,000 per year increase because of the CIC, but as the new members get absorbed into the CIC and make their network connections I suspect Nebraska will be upwards of $400,000,000 in CIC money by 2020 per year. Which is around a $150,000,000 per year increase over what it was in 2012.

Add that to the B1G sports money and you are talking a nearly $200,000,000 per year increase in the payout to Nebraska for being in the B1G. The last year Nebraska was in the Big 12 Nebraska would have received $9,300,000 but that money was forfeited to the Big 12.

Let us compare the math

Assuming Nebraska would have stayed in the Big 12, where there is ZERO academic cooperation such as the CIC, Nebraska would have earned $22,000,000 from the Big 12 in 2012/2013. Nebraska actually had an increase of $35,000,000(CIC money and Nebraska share of the Big Ten Network) for that year by being in the B1G.

$35,000,000 - $22,000,000 = $13,000,000 more than if Nebraska would have stayed in the Big 12.

Nebraska has no remorse whatsoever.

I like the 400mm projection. More than half the Big 10 has had total research dollars below that figure and the only non-AAU school in the Big 10 is going to 400mm a year in just CIC money, despite the fact that the CIC doesnt give out money. I dont think you really even know what the CIC is. It does not directly dole out research grants or solicit Federal government directly for grants on behalf of members. In fact, it not unusual for members to compete against each other for federal grants. It has several benefits.

1. exchange of libraries
2. trade facilities. basically members can borrow or trade facilities
3. credit reciprocity amongst universities
4. network of research between members

Clearly a benefit, but it is one that is hard to put a dollar figure on. None of the benefits are of a direct nature. It does not ensure more grant dollars. It most likely ensures lower costs though. CIC claims research dollars as a collective pool, even if that is basically claiming the dollars granted to the individual fiefdoms encompassed by the CIC.

 

[ericd7633]

Yes, but the addition of Maryland and Rutgers wasn't for the purpose of football recruiting. But it does help. The main thing is that now pretty much every single game is televised on a national level. I went from paying $20 bucks for ppv 4-5 times per year, to now being able to watch every game. And that is for every team in the conference. Now that's increased greatly just by the number of televisions that it's available on. The B1G now exists in 40% of the country, and ALL of those games are available nationally through the BTN. From a recruiting standpoint though, the addition of Maryland and Rutgers will likely start to show up in basketball, soccer, and lacrosse in the next few years. They just are not football recruiting hot beds. But now Nebraska has a presence in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Sure their Texas presence has diminished to an extent, but look how many major schools are pilfering Texas, and now the SEC schools are in there.

I don't think they will drag the conference down in any way, shape or form. They certainly won't hurt recruiting in football. There's nothing that says they will. If it did, why would a team like ND make an agreement with the ACC?

Yes, I know that, and I never once said in this thread that it was for recruiting. It was to get subscribers for the BTN in NY/NJ and in the Delmarva area. Which according to this article has already happened:

Big Ten Network hits the NYC jackpot worth tens of millions of dollars | Awful Announcing

And are you saying you don't think Rutgers and Maryland will drag the football product down? If so, I definitely disagree. From a conference perspective, they will make it more money, so it's a win there, which is what Delany cares about.

 

[Codaxx]

Yes, I know that, and I never once said in this thread that it was for recruiting. It was to get subscribers for the BTN in NY/NJ and in the Delmarva area. Which according to this article has already happened:

Big Ten Network hits the NYC jackpot worth tens of millions of dollars | Awful Announcing

And are you saying you don't think Rutgers and Maryland will drag the football product down? If so, I definitely disagree. From a conference perspective, they will make it more money, so it's a win there, which is what Delany cares about.

Problem is that is not true. At the end of a day, you make money based on your product. You can make economic decisions and they will show results in the near-term. Long term value will be derived from the product itself. So these decisions may make members more money today, but they could be putting pressure on future revenue as viewers move on to other conferences that put out a better product. It will be a long time before we know the answer to that though.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

I like the 400mm projection. More than half the Big 10 has had total research dollars below that figure and the only non-AAU school in the Big 10 is going to 400mm a year in just CIC money, despite the fact that the CIC doesnt give out money. I dont think you really even know what the CIC is. It does not directly dole out research grants or solicit Federal government directly for grants on behalf of members. In fact, it not unusual for members to compete against each other for federal grants. It has several benefits.

1. exchange of libraries
2. trade facilities. basically members can borrow or trade facilities
3. credit reciprocity amongst universities
4. network of research between members

Clearly a benefit, but it is one that is hard to put a dollar figure on. None of the benefits are of a direct nature. It does not ensure more grant dollars. It most likely ensures lower costs though. CIC claims research dollars as a collective pool, even if that is basically claiming the dollars granted to the individual fiefdoms encompassed by the CIC.

There we go, take the literal meaning. Show me EXACTLY WHERE I SAID THE CIC GAVE MONEY TO ANY SCHOOL? Sure, I could have said research dollars instead of CIC money but since I am talking about the benefits that the CIC is giving to the participating schools, I call it generally CIC money. Because if Nebraska was NOT in the CIC Nebraska would NOT see any increase in research dollars. By being in the CIC Nebraska is increasing its research dollars.

Impact

IN 2012, CIC Universities conducted over $10,000,000,000 in FUNDED research. That is federally funded and privately funded. Michigan got the lion's share at near $1,000,000,000. The CIC itself claims DOLLAR amounts so it can QUANTIFY its results so the common layperson can put it into something he can understand, a dollar amount. These dollars are actual checks written to the schools and research departments. Hence the word FUND.

Nebraska is already getting $250,000,000 in federal funding now, before the CIC. Being in the CIC should increase their research dollars by $150,000,000 in six years. Just how much did Penn State research dollars increase because of the CIC? Penn State is getting around $700,000,000 in research dollars by being in the Big 10 and CIC. If I can figure that out I will post it. But finding Penn State research dollars from 1993 is hard.

But I did stumble on this

B1G Expansion Dollars: The Research Edition | mgoblog

The impact of expansion on the ability to influence the allocation of federal research dollars to the B1G member schools has monetary implications that dwarf the potential for increased athletic dept. revenues. "

The University of Chicago($300,000,000) is getting as much federal funding as the University of Texas, mostly because of its association with the CIC.

These are federally funded dollars that are AWARDED to the schools because of their association with the CIC. This money is used to pay researchers salaries. If researchers do not find fund sources for their projects, they are usually canned by the Universities.

 

[ericd7633]

Problem is that is not true. At the end of a day, you make money based on your product. You can make economic decisions and they will show results in the near-term. Long term value will be derived from the product itself. So these decisions may make members more money today, but they could be putting pressure on future revenue as viewers move on to other conferences that put out a better product. It will be a long time before we know the answer to that though.

I'll have to respectfully disagree on that. Let's be honest the B1G hasn't exactly been putting the best product on the field and they still make the most money as a conference and the conference is going to break the record when it renegotiates all their TV deals in 2016. Plus BTN revenue is driven through fee subscriptions. They aren't making all their money on advertising, which I will agree, is based on the product(TV ratings). If I had to guess that's only a small portion of the BTN's revenue.

The more subscribers BTN gets the more profit for the B1G. And I can't see subscription fees declining even if the product on the field is crap.