Is Mitch Trubisky a Bust?

[beardown07]

Trubisky really is none of these guys. Steve Young and Troy Aikman played in a far different era than Trubisky does now, and were saddled with absolutely truly rosters around them. Historically bad. I watched those two get their heads kicked in early....but I at least saw glimpses of what was to come. I haven't seen that from Trubisky. Wentz was a legit MVP candidate in his second season, and Goff wasn't far behind. I certainly don't remember hearing Trubisky's name in any MVP voting.

Manning and Elway were basically asked to carry the load, but at least Peyton had some legit guys around him. Given their circumstances, and again just watching them play, I was far more impressed with Manning's rookie campaign than I was Trubisky's play from last year, and PM took off from there. Elway took a few years, but again...totally different era, and like Manning, was asked to carry the franchise from Day 1. Elway also probably had less to work with around him as well. Trubisky in comparison, is asked to carry the teams laundry to the cleaners...and that's about it.

Trubisky may prove me wrong and a light may turn on someday....but that someday better be soon. I certainly haven't watched him enough to put a stamp on it, but again....I have seen him probably a half dozen times or so in full games, and he hasn't done anything special where I can say (as a Bears fan) that he's my legit franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. That to me, is troubling.

I never said he was one of those guys.

He said he'd never seen an elite QB struggle early in their careers, I provided him with a small sample of QBs that struggled early. That's it. Nothing inferred.

 

[Ricky Roma]

I never said he was one of those guys.

He said he'd never seen an elite QB struggle early in their careers, I provided him with a small sample of QBs that struggled early. That's it. Nothing inferred.

Fair enough.

 

[Mofo]

Oh, don’t get me wrong. Mitch isn’t a bad QB by any means. I’m just worried he might be an average QB, which would mean I was wrong about him.

An average QB is the worst thing you can have, IMO, because they’re just good enough to not get demoted & not win a SB.

At some point, I figure one or two GMs will figure out that the NFL is too quarterback-centric and actually design offenses that can win even with a moderate QB. They’ll probably be heralded as geniuses. It’s ridiculous the draft picks and salaries spent on overhyped busts like Andrew Luck, Jamarcus Russell and Brock Osweiler.

 

[NinerSickness]

At some point, I figure one or two GMs will figure out that the NFL is too quarterback-centric and actually design offenses that can win even with a moderate QB.

His name was Jim Harbaugh. He won with a downright bad QB (Kaeptard) who lost his job to Blaine Gabbert. But defenses always crack the code, and you have to adjust. With a mediocre or bad QB, that’s almost impossible.

 

[megalodon30]

His name was Jim Harbaugh. He won with a downright bad QB (Kaeptard) who lost his job to Blaine Gabbert. But defenses always crack the code, and you have to adjust. With a mediocre or bad QB, that’s almost impossible.

John Fox went to a SB with Jake Delhomme and made the playoffs with Tim Tebow. Just sayin'.

 

[NinerSickness]

John Fox went to a SB with Jake Delhomme and made the playoffs with Tim Tebow. Just sayin'.

Yeah, it happens. But any success you’re going to have with that strategy will be extremely short-lived. Like I said: defenses always crack the code, eventually.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Mitch Trub'INT'sky.

 

[The Derski]

New profile pic?

 

[Mofo]

His name was Jim Harbaugh. He won with a downright bad QB (Kaeptard) who lost his job to Blaine Gabbert. But defenses always crack the code, and you have to adjust. With a mediocre or bad QB, that’s almost impossible.

It’s the NFL. These guys are all good enough. It’s possible to be successful with a Ryan Fitzpatrick or Trent Dilfer. Imagine if instead of blowing 20% of your salary cap on Jimmy Garoppolo, instead that money is better spent on rebuilding defense, getting a running game, etc.

I’ve seen numerous franchises (Miami, Washington, Cleveland, Jacksonville) in the last couple decades chase superstar QB prospects and handcuff themselves because of what it cost in money and draft picks.

 

[NinerSickness]

It’s the NFL. These guys are all good enough. It’s possible to be successful with a Ryan Fitzpatrick or Trent Dilfer. Imagine if instead of blowing 20% of your salary cap on Jimmy Garoppolo, instead that money is better spent on rebuilding defense, getting a running game, etc.

I can imagine that. It’s called the Washington Redskins.

That philosophy works if you can get a decent QB on a rookie contract (how Seattle won a SB), but that’s about it. Your defense has to be all-time good to carry a mediocre QB to a SB victory.

Now paying an average dude franchise money is a death trap (Alex Smith, Dak, Kirk, Cam, etc). The big money is worth it, but only for a top-10 guy IMO

 

[Ricky Roma]

It’s the NFL. These guys are all good enough. It’s possible to be successful with a Ryan Fitzpatrick or Trent Dilfer. Imagine if instead of blowing 20% of your salary cap on Jimmy Garoppolo, instead that money is better spent on rebuilding defense, getting a running game, etc.

I’ve seen numerous franchises (Miami, Washington, Cleveland, Jacksonville) in the last couple decades chase superstar QB prospects and handcuff themselves because of what it cost in money and draft picks.

Ryan Fitzpatrick is on his 8th team....that isn't success. Trent Dilfer needed one of the greatest defensive efforts in the history of football to achieve his success.....which really means that isn't success. AFAIC, the 49ers under Shanahan have gone about it pretty much the way I want it with a few exceptions. That is, get your franchise QB and plan to offensively scheme success....and load up on defensive talent.

 

[Mofo]

Ryan Fitzpatrick is on his 8th team....that isn't success. Trent Dilfer needed one of the greatest defensive efforts in the history of football to achieve his success.....which really means that isn't success. AFAIC, the 49ers under Shanahan have gone about it pretty much the way I want it with a few exceptions. That is, get your franchise QB and plan to offensively scheme success....and load up on defensive talent.

Matt Ryan, Colin Kaepernick, Rex Grossman, Nick Foles, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco ... it's possible to get to, and even with a Super Bowl with a moderately talented QB.

It's one player. I'm just saying, rather than rush out and overpay a Jimmy Garoppolo type $27 million a years, getting a couple of lesser, but proven quantities like Fitzpatrick or Bortles for < $5 million, frees up a ton of capital to stockpile linemen, get some shutdown CBs or running backs that aren't the dregs.

I'm not saying Fitzpatrick and Bortles are great players or even nearly as good as Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, etc. Just that the money might be better spent locking up talent elsewhere where it's needed.

 

[SteelersPride]

Matt Ryan, Colin Kaepernick, Rex Grossman, Nick Foles, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco ... it's possible to get to, and even with a Super Bowl with a moderately talented QB.

It's one player. I'm just saying, rather than rush out and overpay a Jimmy Garoppolo type $27 million a years, getting a couple of lesser, but proven quantities like Fitzpatrick or Bortles for < $5 million, frees up a ton of capital to stockpile linemen, get some shutdown CBs or running backs that aren't the dregs.

I'm not saying Fitzpatrick and Bortles are great players or even nearly as good as Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, etc. Just that the money might be better spent locking up talent elsewhere where it's needed.

Definitely the exception to the rule. And losing your DC and a few doesn’t help the cause

 

[Mofo]

Definitely the exception to the rule. And losing your DC and a few doesn’t help the cause

Yeah, I'm saying the rule sucks. Think about the insane contracts some GMs give out to unproven guys like Garoppolo or Osweiler. At some point, one of them is going to say, "screw it- let's let Chase Daniel do it for 1/5th the cost and we'll spend the rest of our salary cap on improving 10 others positions on offense and defense."

You could probably plug in 183 different backups and free agents to the QB spot on Cincinnati for half the cost and have equal or better results to what's there now.

 

[SteelersPride]

Yeah, I'm saying the rule sucks. Think about the insane contracts some GMs give out to unproven guys like Garoppolo or Osweiler. At some point, one of them is going to say, "screw it- let's let Chase Daniel do it for 1/5th the cost and we'll spend the rest of our salary cap on improving 10 others positions on offense and defense."

You could probably plug in 183 different backups and free agents to the QB spot on Cincinnati for half the cost and have equal or better results to what's there now.

Yep agree but the truth lies somewhere in between. Qbs can make an entire offense. One guy generally doesn’t make an entire d, see Mack in Oakland. The hard part is keeping all 10-11 other guys signed and together. Whereas the qb is a singular.

 

[Mofo]

Yep agree but the truth lies somewhere in between. Qbs can make an entire offense. One guy generally doesn’t make an entire d, see Mack in Oakland. The hard part is keeping all 10-11 other guys signed and together. Whereas the qb is a singular.

When I was a kid, the best teams had great QBs. But if such a QB went out with an injury or your team had someone lesser, there was still cause to hope your team could win. What's changed since then? Nothing, really. There's still the same number of opportunities, but the hype machine goes into overdrive for guys like Osweiler, Garoppolo and Bradford when there's little indication they're going to be decent, let alone great.

 

[BigKen]

Trubinsky needs laser vision surgery so he can see the play clock. Or at least find it.

 

[SteelersPride]

Trubinsky needs laser vision surgery so he can see the play clock. Or at least find it.

and the rest of the field

 

[Ricky Roma]

Matt Ryan, Colin Kaepernick, Rex Grossman, Nick Foles, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco ... it's possible to get to, and even with a Super Bowl with a moderately talented QB.

It's one player. I'm just saying, rather than rush out and overpay a Jimmy Garoppolo type $27 million a years, getting a couple of lesser, but proven quantities like Fitzpatrick or Bortles for < $5 million, frees up a ton of capital to stockpile linemen, get some shutdown CBs or running backs that aren't the dregs.

I'm not saying Fitzpatrick and Bortles are great players or even nearly as good as Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, etc. Just that the money might be better spent locking up talent elsewhere where it's needed.

The QB position in todays game determines wins and losses moreso than at any other time in NFL history. Most of your examples rode either flukey/one year wonder type runs, and that gamble most likely is a bust. To play the Fitzpatrick/Bortles card is a known losing hand....so why even try and pin your hopes on a lottery?

I am pretty confident in what SF has in Jimmy Garoppolo, and barring injury, his contract is practically a bargain right now. As I've said.....with Shanahan's scheming and his QB, I now want the Niners to perhaps give their JG a bit more protection up front, but that's it. Put all of their resourses into defensive talent and I am good.

 

[SteelersPride]

He's not a bust...No one expected him to be Tom Brady, but he is better than Watson and far more dependable....Watson is gonna be a bust IMO....Maholmes is a different story....
I wonder how many people wished they had drafted star players after the fact though....It's a total guessing game...

wait what? They traded UP to #2 to take trubisky, yes hes supposed to be EXTREMELY good.

Hes better than watson? by what metric?

Games
watson 23- 14wins 8 losses
Trubisky 27- 15 wins 12 losses

Completion Percentage
Watson-66.4
Trubisky-63.2

Yards per attempt
Watson-8.3
Trubisky-7.0

Touchdowns
watson 45 in 23 games
Trubisky 31 in 27 games

interceptions
watson-17 in 23 games
Trubisky-20 in 27 games

Qb rating
watson-103.1
Trubisky-86.3

QBR average
Watson-73.3
Trubs-52.2

what am i missing