Is Marvin Harrison Jr. the best prospect for the 2024 NFL Draft?

[fightinfunbags]

It isn’t hype. Just look at his film and come back to us. It is actually more about film and fundamentals than his play. It’s not hype, it’s very real

Imagine thinking that NFL executives are going to base player evaluations based on who a player’s father was?

 

[Shanemansj13]

I’ve watched him play. He’s outstanding. I just think he’s not the very best and opinions of him are influenced by his name. You don’t believe there’s something to that?

Film, not real time. I can’t even say who is the best prospect bc I have not watched all these guys film and a breakdown. I just know Harrison Jr is a generational type of talent. Maybe your boy gets there but there is a reason he isn’t top 3. I don’t know if Harrison Jr has any weaknesses. Rome could be the next JJ but less of a sure thing. Why is he better than Harrison Jr?

 

[elguapo]

He is not even the best WR in this draft

 

[Tahuyaman]

Film, not real time. I can’t even say who is the best prospect bc I have not watched all these guys film and a breakdown. I just know Harrison Jr is a generational type of talent. Maybe your boy gets there but there is a reason he isn’t top 3. I don’t know if Harrison Jr has any weaknesses. Rome could be the next JJ but less of a sure thing. Why is he better than Harrison Jr?

I watch games, not game film. You got me there.


Odunze routinely makes catches when he is double teamed and a defender draped all over him. No one I’ve seen makes that number of catches like that. I just hope neither one goes to a team which is so weak that they won’t have the opportunity to make the impact they are capable of.

 

[shopson67]

Lawrence 'benefited from play action and quick pass scheme' and 'offense limited amount of full reads' was listed as his top weaknesses. Probably should be a notable risk factor when evaluating Qbs.

Unfortunately, that's most college QBs these days. Caleb and Maye process multiple reads well, but the other prospects this year not so much. Penix may be the most accurate QB in the class, but he is best when he can get the ball out quick (1st read) and hasn't consistently been able to create when a play breaks down. I need to see more of Daniels, but his elite running ability tends to be a quick pivot if the early read isn't there.

 

[shopson67]

I just remember after he won the national title his freshman year that they started his #1 pick draft clock. He had the #1 pick locked down for years in college.

Has Caleb been any different, other than the programs he has been with haven't been as good overall?

 

[shopson67]

I watch games, not game film. You got me there.


Odunze routinely makes catches when he is double teamed and a defender draped all over him. No one I’ve seen makes that number of catches like that. I just hope neither one goes to a team which is so weak that they won’t have the opportunity to make the impact they are capable of.

I watched some Penix game film on YouTube, which of course included Odunze heavily. I didn't see a lot of separation in the game I watched (first gave vs Oregon). That's just one game though. Penix and Odunze definitely have a shared trust though. I've only watched highlights of LSU thus far, but I saw a lot of separation with Nabers and Thomas Jr.

These prospects getting drafted early are almost guaranteed to be on weak teams, unfortunately for them. Unless of course someone makes a big move up to rescue them. If Harrison goes to the Cards, at least he has Kyler to get him the ball. In Chicago, he would have Fields; with the Giants he would have Jones.

 

[eaglesnut]

In the NFL world, he was. He was basically the Lebron James of NFL draft picks the past 10-15 years. I mean who was a bigger NFL prospect than Lawrence...maybe I'm missing someone here.

Luck was there, too. And yeah it's the same, but the NBA let Lebron travel and make super teams until his play caught up to the hype. Lawrence has to compete like everyone else. Big difference between the two leagues.

 

[shopson67]

Luck was there, too. And yeah it's the same, but the NBA let Lebron travel and make super teams until his play caught up to the hype. Lawrence has to compete like everyone else. Big difference between the two leagues.

Lucky for Lebron he's the only one that is allowed to travel lol. He's only changed teams as a free agent, that's always been a thing in the modern NBA.

 

[belcherboy]

Has Caleb been any different, other than the programs he has been with haven't been as good overall?

I don't follow him as close as you do, so I'm speaking mostly out of what I hear through the media (not always a good source). This was one of the big criticisms I had seen about him. I'm sure if we compared other QB's from the past few drafts, they too would have poor stats against most top 25 defenses they play. So I'm just posting something I had seen recently that was being critical of Williams. I think he is a great prospect, but I also think that he isn't an untouchable #1 draft pick like others have been in the past. I may be proven wrong in this draft though.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Luck was there, too. And yeah it's the same, but the NBA let Lebron travel and make super teams until his play caught up to the hype. Lawrence has to compete like everyone else. Big difference between the two leagues.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I watched some Penix game film on YouTube, which of course included Odunze heavily. I didn't see a lot of separation in the game I watched (first gave vs Oregon). That's just one game though. Penix and Odunze definitely have a shared trust though. I've only watched highlights of LSU thus far, but I saw a lot of separation with Nabers and Thomas Jr.

These prospects getting drafted early are almost guaranteed to be on weak teams, unfortunately for them. Unless of course someone makes a big move up to rescue them. If Harrison goes to the Cards, at least he has Kyler to get him the ball. In Chicago, he would have Fields; with the Giants he would have Jones.

Rome would have a chance to play for a better team, maybe even Nabers but if he goes off in the combine he could go pretty early-top 10. Harrison Jr to Chicago doesn't seem too bad for him-Moore on the other side but for a guy like Harrison Jr if you have a QB that is legit he could be unstoppable even early in his career. Will be interesting to see where he lands. Obviously Chicago and NYG aren't ideal for him.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I watch games, not game film. You got me there.


Odunze routinely makes catches when he is double teamed and a defender draped all over him. No one I’ve seen makes that number of catches like that. I just hope neither one goes to a team which is so weak that they won’t have the opportunity to make the impact they are capable of.

Contested catches is great but that probably means he isn't getting much separation. Not sure I will have to watch film. He will face DB's in the NFL stronger, faster with more awareness, if he relaying on making contested catches instead of getting that separation life will be hard. Strong hands is very important regardless but there should be no reason he should have been getting separation if he is an athletic freak. That points to his route running- is it average? No clue, will have to watch film.

 

[shopson67]

I don't follow him as close as you do, so I'm speaking mostly out of what I hear through the media (not always a good source). This was one of the big criticisms I had seen about him. I'm sure if we compared other QB's from the past few drafts, they too would have poor stats against most top 25 defenses they play. So I'm just posting something I had seen recently that was being critical of Williams. I think he is a great prospect, but I also think that he isn't an untouchable #1 draft pick like others have been in the past. I may be proven wrong in this draft though.

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I think you'll find that all QBs perform worse against top 25 teams. Some of that it is to be expected when your own team isn't top 25.

I don't follow him that closely, just looked up the stats. I did watch film of the Stanford and Notre Dame games yesterday. Stanford was a walk in the park and not a challenge in the least. He made some bad decisions in the Notre Dame game for sure (resulting in 3 of this 5 INTs on the season), but played pretty well otherwise. He didn't exactly have elite WRs to work with either. Brenden Rice is ranked as a 3rd round pick, and at least some of that is on his last name. Mario Williams is ranked as a 6th rounder. Tahj Washington isn't ranked by PFF, but that may change as he declared a few days ago.

 

[shopson67]

Contested catches is great but that probably means he isn't getting much separation. Not sure I will have to watch film. He will face DB's in the NFL stronger, faster with more awareness, if he relaying on making contested catches instead of getting that separation life will be hard. Strong hands is very important regardless but there should be no reason he should have been getting separation if he is an athletic freak. That points to his route running- is it average? No clue, will have to watch film.

I have a lot more faith in Rome than I do Keon Coleman, who is getting overrated by many as a 1st round value IMO. He hasn't improved his route running and still doesn't separate in college; I don't see that changing at the next level. Keon can definitely have a solid role in the pros, but I wouldn't use a 1st rounder to get him.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Even looking at the stats Odunze isn't far ahead of Harrison Jr and he had elite QB play and Polk on the other side.

Plus Harrison Jr had an ankle injury in the ND game and it took several weeks to get healthy.

110 ypg 14 total TD's - 14 games played
101 ypg 15 total TD's - 12 games played

Nabers had more of a case to win the Biletnikoff but he also had the Heisman winner as his QB. Harrison Jr had a guy that transferred to Cuse lol

 

[kcden]

Even looking at the stats Odunze isn't far ahead of Harrison Jr and he had elite QB play and Polk on the other side.

Plus Harrison Jr had an ankle injury in the ND game and it took several weeks to get healthy.

110 ypg 14 total TD's - 14 games played
101 ypg 15 total TD's - 12 games played

Nabers had more of a case to win the Biletnikoff but he also had the Heisman winner as his QB. Harrison Jr had a guy that transferred to Cuse lol

https://www.si.com/college/washington/football/odunze-played-with-punctured-lung-suffered-arizona

Isn't Emeka Egbuka looked at as a 1st round pick, and the OSU WR-room has like 2 or 3 other 5-star receivers, as well?

Neither of those look like fair ways to downgrade Rome, which is what you are doing.

 

[PDay8810]

Cee Dee Lamb reminds me of Paul Warfield. So smooth in everything he do. Polished.

Harrison looks the mold too.

 

[wazzu31]

Funny that someone would even remotely put Odunze and Harrison in the same category. Harrison is the most overall talented player in the draft, Odunze is a good, but there isn’t a NFL team he could go to and be one of the top 2 guys off the bat.

 

[Tahuyaman]

Contested catches is great but that probably means he isn't getting much separation. Not sure I will have to watch film. He will face DB's in the NFL stronger, faster with more awareness, if he relaying on making contested catches instead of getting that separation life will be hard. Strong hands is very important regardless but there should be no reason he should have been getting separation if he is an athletic freak. That points to his route running- is it average? No clue, will have to watch film.

Your opinion is noted.