Is Luka for AD the most shocking trade of all time

[DJ Fieri]

Sure.

You saying that the Mavs got the better end of the deal?

I think we need to see how the teams play with their new players.

It's a little early to tell....

 

[msgkings322]

So we have a bromance brewing?

Frenemies

 

[dtgold88]

Oh fun, now my stalker has arrived. I should get a restraining order.

For those who don't read the CFB forum, this individual is obsessed with me, so now you will probably have to read a bunch of their personal attacks on me. Sorry.

oh, the irony.

But if a stalker is someone who points out your beyond irrational comments I guess call me guilty.....like many.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Sure, they do....but they have a great defense as well....huge reason they won.

I think Superstars win more championships than just a great defense. And the Mavs...I don't know, seems more like a Ewing Knicks D than a Bad Boys D. It just looks like they are missing something on paper. I guess we shall see

 

[flyerhawk]

I think we need to see how the teams play with their new players.

It's a little early to tell....

You aren't going to find many Mavs fans that agree with you on that.

 

[dtgold88]

It's clear that you are struggling to follow the conversation, but I'll have mercy on you and explain again. I will try to use small words.

Before that surprising -- maybe even shocking -- Finals run last year, almost no one would have suggested with a straight face that the Mavericks were contenders of any sort. In Doncic's career before April 2024, he had participated in exactly one game victory beyond the second round. And his team missed the playoffs in 40% of his seasons.

This notion that Doncic makes a team a contender is very new, and not well supported by facts.

Allen Iverson also once led a team to the Finals, but having him certainly did not make the Sixers annual contenders.

Doncic is a great player, but people are going completely overboard with respect to his value. He is, in reality, a not-very-efficient shooter who takes a massive quantity of shots to score his points -- and apart from April to June of last year, that has not contributed to a whole lot of winning in Dallas.

since my comments are always based on the post and not the poster these are very fair comments/opinions.

I do think in short term this deal is better for Dallas. Need to see what else LA does to see how it benefits them IMO.

 

[trojanfan12]

Sure.

You saying that the Mavs got the better end of the deal?

No. But they may have the better or at least close to as good end of the deal short term. The Mavs should be improved after adding AD. I don't know about improved enough to get out the West, but a better shot...especially if the OKC kids haven't grown up yet.

The Lakers arguably stayed the same (substituting offense for defense) or got a little worse...so they have some work to do.

 

[dtgold88]

Not even close to the worst trade.

Might have even been the best return the Mavs could get in terms of win now value.

But very clearly not the best value for the franchise long term.

Just not something fans are used to seeing. Usually when a guy like this (or maybe slightly lesser level) is moved it's because he has implied he does not want to stay and/or team wants to rebuild right away. Did Doncic imply the former? Not sure, but clearly Dallas made this deal looking to win now.

The usual return of younger, cheaper guys, maybe older guys with expiring deals and a bunch of picks not what they were looking for.......and AD is still a damn good player.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I think Superstars win more championships than just a great defense. And the Mavs...I don't know, seems more like a Ewing Knicks D than a Bad Boys D. It just looks like they are missing something on paper. I guess we shall see

When the Mavs won....they played some great defense.

They did a great job on the Heat's star players.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

You aren't going to find many Mavs fans that agree with you on that.

The problem is that Davis is injury prone - fantastic player that will serve the Mavs will if he and Irving play well- but I don't see them improving in the standings by much if at all - I think they need better support -

 

[DJ Fieri]

No. But they may have the better or at least close to as good end of the deal short term. The Mavs should be improved after adding AD. I don't know about improved enough to get out the West, but a better shot...especially if the OKC kids haven't grown up yet.

The Lakers arguably stayed the same (substituting offense for defense) or got a little worse...so they have some work to do.

Exactly.

But, long term the Lakers got their face of the franchise. And that is all that most people are looking at (especially Mavs fans), not the short term.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Feb 25th the Lakers vs Mavs better be on prime time TV.

 

[flyerhawk]

Supposedly -- and this might be damage control -- one GM declined to acquire Doncic. We don't know who.

NBA rumors: Mystery team turned down Mavericks' Luka Doncic trade offer before Lakers deal

Before the Lakers got their hands on Luka Doncic, there was a mystery team that tried to acquire the ex-Mavericks star.

clutchpoints.com

Harrison's decision here is still puzzling, but Doncic is being lionized a little bit excessively right now, much like what happens after a person dies.

Who can honestly say that, __before__ last year's playoffs, they considered the Mavericks serious title contenders? I don't know of anyone who did, nor why they would. They had previously made the Conference Finals once, and gotten smoked by a Warrior team that was among the worst Champions of the past couple decades.

The Mavericks missed the playoffs entirely just two years ago.

Now, all of the sudden, people are claiming -- with seemingly straight faces -- that having Doncic guarantees that a franchise will be contenders for a decade. Sorry, that doesn't comport. Dallas made a surprising run the Finals, but that is wildly different from being serious annual contenders.

You are creating a bunch of straw men here.

Absolutely NO ONE is saying that having Doncic guarantees a franchise will be a contender for a decade. But, in the NBA, if you don't have an MVP caliber player on your roster, your odds of winning an actual title are essentially zero.

Luka Doncic is an MVP caliber player. AD was an MVP caliber player but not at this point in his career realistically. And certainly not in 3 years .

Teams don't trade MVP caliber players unless the player forces them to ala Kawhi in San Antonio.

 

[dtgold88]

To me, an NFL equivalent to this trade would be giving up 24 year old Jayden Daniels for 30 year old T.J..Watt. There's no debating how great a player Watt is, but that's a trade you could never consider making

IMO not close to an equivalent since we are talking a QB for a 3-4 OLB. difference in importance of AD to Luka not at that level.

 

[trojanfan12]

Exactly.

But, long term the Lakers got their face of the franchise. And that is all that most people are looking at (especially Mavs fans), not the short term.

Exactly...as has been pointed out, this is the Mavs pushing all of their chips in on winning a title within the next 3 years. As you, or someone ese pointed out, AD and Kyrie's timelines matchup perfectly for that...then in 3-4 years, they go into a rebuild.

For the Lakers it's about contending for the next 10 years which fits the timelines of Lebron retiring and outside of Lebron...having a young roster.

 

[UK Cowboy]

When the Mavs won....they played some great defense.

They did a great job on the Heat's star players.

That Mavs team was a Hell of a lot better than this one though. And I think last year's Boston club was better than that Mavs team

 

[UK Cowboy]

IMO not close to an equivalent since we are talking a QB for a 3-4 OLB. difference in importance of AD to Luka not at that level.

It is close. AD at 25 is an even straight up trade for Luka. AD is nearly 32. It's way off

 

[DJ Fieri]

Martin for Grimes is a good move.

 

[dtgold88]

It is close. AD at 25 is an even straight up trade for Luka. AD is nearly 32. It's way off

I get the point you were trying to make..I really do. But QB to OLB (and an OLB who has never even won a playoff game)?

 

[DJ Fieri]

Nico got his wing Martin