Is Luka for AD the most shocking trade of all time

[UK Cowboy]

Some people are saying Luka and Bron cannot play together and that makes me laugh. Bron can play with anybody and at his age? He prolly going to defer to Luka as the primary ballhandler and Luka should be able to find an open Bron. And they both still could average 28 or so ppg. Luka prolly 30-plus, even playing with Bron.

I think they can make it work great. LBJ is STILL having to average big minutes because they have to have him on the floor. They could easily cut both guys back to about 30 minutes per night, let them take their rest separate so they always have one of them on the court, and then play them together in crunch time. They can literally save their legs by just taking turns each time down court while the other guy has the ball. All the Lakers have to do now and this summer is get big guys who can rebound and rim protect and guards who can shoot or D up. Role players. To say they can't play together is insane.

 

[flyerhawk]

Because, Nico wanted AD. He believes he is the type of player for their culture and the kind of basketball they want to play.

You would know this if you watched the press conference.

Well I rarely watch press conferences. But I'm sure that Harrison thinks AD is the bee's knees.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Exactly. Mavs management has made some really bad decisions. Honestly they got super lucky that the Hawks were willing to swap Doncic for Young and some picks.

100% straight lucky. Fell into Luka like they fell into Dirk. Traded Robert 'Tractor" Traylor for him. Yikes lol

 

[DJ Fieri]

Well I rarely watch press conferences. But I'm sure that Harrison thinks AD is the bee's knees.

He wants a specific type of culture and offense....he also said he believes defense wins championships....like the Celtics and other teams.

You're welcome.

 

[thunderc]

I gotta say, after seeing all the reactions from the media and this joint, I've adjusted my thinking a bit. Even the new prick is adding value.

Still favors the Lakers long term but Luka to me is a wee bit overrated overall. Just a smidge. Great player and LA had to do this for so little cost and to set up the future...but AD might have the game that is more likely to get a championship. Both great players in different ways and it's a team sport so who's around them matters.

Everyone crying that this is the worst trade in NBA history (for Dallas) when they got a superstar level guy plus a good role player and a 1st to avoid a supermax on a guy who isn't all about conditioning (Zion 2.0?), that's far from true. I've even seen people crying it's the worst trade in SPORTS history.

It's a lot more even than most are thinking.

So we have a bromance brewing?

 

[tc1]

You searched for a situation that suits your argument.

No, I searched for players who match the provided criteria -- led team to 1 Finals before 25, average 30ppg in the playoffs, etcetera. Iverson is the closest match that I have yet found.

So in his first 6 seasons, he has reached a finals and a conference final and the playoffs 4 times. Saying that he hasn't contributed to a whole lot of winning is a pretty absurd claim. Young stars rarely contribute to deep playoff runs.

I excluded that Finals run. Please read better, or don't waste my time.

If you want to argue that Iverson was a top level defensive player because he once was voted 6th or DPOY, knock yourself out.

I am saying that Iverson was vastly better on that end.

I've read what you have written.

Demonstrably not, as you just evidenced above.

 

[flyerhawk]

He wants a specific type of culture and offense....he also said he believes defense wins championships....like the Celtics and other teams.

You're welcome.

Well good for him. He wanted a soon to be 32 year oft injured guy who wants to play out of position instead of a top 3-5 player in the league who is 25 years old.

If the Mavs don't go deep in the playoffs in either of the next 2 seasons, Harrison is going to be canned.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I think they can make it work great. LBJ is STILL having to average big minutes because they have to have him on the floor. They could easily cut both guys back to about 30 minutes per night, let them take their rest separate so they always have one of them on the court, and then play them together in crunch time. They can literally save their legs by just taking turns each time down court while the other guy has the ball. All the Lakers have to do now and this summer is get big guys who can rebound and rim protect and guards who can shoot or D up. Role players. To say they can't play together is insane.

I doubt they cut Luka back that much, he is just 25. Maybe cut him back to 33 or so. Bron to say maybe 33mpg and the entire 4th quarter in close games. The Lakers still have work to do because right now the roster is incomplete. Pelinka has to make another move, maybe 2. We need a C badly. Hayes is a 12-15mpg backup, not a starter. And you guys will love Christie if you play him. And you might with Grimes being a FA. Christie is a really good defender and his offense is starting to come around this season.

Rest both in blowouts. But, I agree with most of what you said.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Well good for him. He wanted a soon to be 32 year oft injured guy who wants to play out of position instead of a top 3-5 player in the league who is 25 years old.

If the Mavs don't go deep in the playoffs in either of the next 2 seasons, Harrison is going to be canned.

They are probably better positioned right now to make the WCF than they were before the trade.

Embiid is more oft injured than AD, LOL.

 

[trojanfan12]

Harrison screwed up, IMO. He was obsessed with getting AD and didn't get the best deal they could have got.

Yep, he didn't even get the best deal he could have gotten from the Lakers.

Maybe ownership told him to do that either because they wanted AD or they wanted the deal done without it being leaked. But still a terrible deal.

From what has come out, they definitely wanted it done quickly and quietly.

It's not often you see a team acquire a player of AD's stature and have it called a "terrible deal". But the Mavs pulled it off. lol

 

[UK Cowboy]

He wants a specific type of culture and offense....he also said he believes defense wins championships....like the Celtics and other teams.

You're welcome.

The Celtics play great D, but they are also young and super deep, much like the Bad Boy Pistons. The Mavs are not that. Their role players all we much better than they actually are because Luka was always double and triple teamed. They have Two super talented, often injured 32 year olds and a bunch of junk. They have a 2-3 year window that they will never win a championship in and then they are going to suck

 

[flyerhawk]

No, I searched for players who match the provided criteria -- led team to 1 Finals before 25, average 30ppg in the playoffs, etcetera. Iverson is the closest match that I have yet found.

Right. And chose Iverson over Lebron because it suited your argument better.

I excluded that Finals run. Please read better, or don't waste my time.

Oh I see you are one of those who thinks that being dickish is an effective debate tactic.

If you excluded Jordan's 6 NBA titles, he wasn't very good.

I am saying that Iverson was vastly better on that end.

Yeah. You've certainly said that.

Demonstrably not, as you just evidenced above.

Whatever you got to tell yourself.

 

[UK Cowboy]

I doubt they cut Luka back that much, he is just 25. Maybe cut him back to 33 or so. Bron to say maybe 33mpg and the entire 4th quarter in close games. The Lakers still have work to do because right now the roster is incomplete. Pelinka has to make another move, maybe 2. We need a C badly. Hayes is a 12-15mpg backup, not a starter. And you guys will love Christie if you play him. And you might with Grimes being a FA. Christie is a really good defender and his offense is starting to come around this season.

Rest both in blowouts. But, I agree with most of what you said.

Yeah they will play more when needed, but it won't kill them when they need a blow. I think they have a good shot to make the WCF. All depends on matchups for them

 

[trojanfan12]

Well I rarely watch press conferences. But I'm sure that Harrison thinks AD is the bee's knees.

Bee's knees is not used nearly often enough. A truly underrated saying.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yep, he didn't even get the best deal he could have gotten from the Lakers.

Yup

From what has come out, they definitely wanted it done quickly and quietly.

And if they thought that keeping it quiet was more important than getting the best deal, then they failed the team.

It's not often you see a team acquire a player of AD's stature and have it called a "terrible deal". But the Mavs pulled it off. lol

Truly remarkable. Barring some sort of career ending injury for Luka, this going to look pretty terrible in 5 years. You just can't trade 25 year old Luka for nearly 32 year old AD.

 

[flyerhawk]

They are probably better positioned right now to make the WCF than they were before the trade.

Embiid is more oft injured than AD, LOL.

If they traded Luka for Embiid I would have been absolutely THRILLED! That would have been a terrible trade as well.

They are probably better position to make the WCF finals this year but only because Luka has been banged up this year. But how many more seasons of high performance basketball do you think that AD has in him? 3? 4?

 

[DJ Fieri]

If they traded Luka for Embiid I would have been absolutely THRILLED! That would have been a terrible trade as well.

They are probably better position to make the WCF finals this year but only because Luka has been banged up this year. But how many more seasons of high performance basketball do you think that AD has in him? 3? 4?

The same as Irving. 3 or so.

Nico said he isn't worried about 10 years from now (he prolly won't be there he said it).....he wants to maximize the next few years to win a title with Irving and AD. And he (like Rob) prolly isn't done at this trade deadline. I am sure he is looking at adding another role player, a defender because that is what he is banking this trade on.

Boston showed defense wins, like the Lakers, like the Warriors in recent memory.

 

[flyerhawk]

The same as Irving. 3 or so.

Nico said he isn't worried about 10 years from now (he prolly won't be there he said it).....he wants to maximize the next few years to win a title with Irving and AD. And he (like Rob) prolly isn't done at this trade deadline. I am sure he is looking at adding another role player, a defender because that is what he is banking this trade on.

Boston showed defense wins, like the Lakers, like the Warriors in recent memory.

You know what wins in the NBA? Having the best players. The Celtics have a great roster.

 

[DJ Fieri]

You know what wins in the NBA? Having the best players. The Celtics have a great roster.

Sure, they do....but they have a great defense as well....huge reason they won.

 

[flyerhawk]

Sure, they do....but they have a great defense as well....huge reason they won.

Sure.

You saying that the Mavs got the better end of the deal?