Is Luka for AD the most shocking trade of all time

[avalon2423]

Please dont let the "mystery team" that passed on this trade be the Miami Heat. LOL.. Im already stressed out enough, I dont need to add that to the mix lol.

 

[Mebert]

Indeed. There is no telling the haul of young players and picks they could have landed. And I actually think if they wait till he had signed the Super Max contract, he would have brought even more because the team acquiring him would know he's wrapper up for 5 years

Yeah, Wolves could have given them Gobert or Julius Randle!

 

[DJ Fieri]

I'm a big UK fan which means AD is one of my all time favorite players. But it's a ridiculous trade my guy. If AD were 25 years old as well, this would be a fair deal. AD is almost 32 big men with injury histories don't end well. Luka is actually a guy I could see dominating into his late 30's. Players who are dominant in part because of great athleticism always lose a step. Luka's old man game will play a long time. And he is so competitive that I think Nick has done him a favor because I think next season you'll see Luka come in around 230 and in great shape

I know you're no Laker fan but the Lakers conditioning staff has been working with AD....and he has played a lot of games the last 2 seasons....if he takes care of his body he can play like this for another 3-4 years.....the timeline Nico is targeting with Irving.

I don't doubt what you said about Luka but clearly Nico is betting against Luka. I hope Nico is wrong for my own selfish reasons but your Mavs have a great shot at making the WCF (more so than they did before). Especially, If Nico isn't done yet and makes another smaller deal.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Please dont let the "mystery team" that passed on this trade be the Miami Heat. LOL.. Im already stressed out enough, I dont need to add that to the mix lol.

Nico has already said he only talked to the Lakers.

He wanted AD.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Yeah, Wolves could have given them Gobert or Julius Randle!

Don't forget Conley.

 

[Mebert]

Don't forget Conley.

Hell no! He is a treasure and I need him to teach Dillingham all the PG nuance.

 

[flyerhawk]

Again, credible sources say that an unknown team passed on the offer to acquire Doncic.

NBA rumors: Mystery team turned down Mavericks' Luka Doncic trade offer before Lakers deal

Before the Lakers got their hands on Luka Doncic, there was a mystery team that tried to acquire the ex-Mavericks star.

clutchpoints.com

His value is not as high as some people here believe.

He's 25 years old and is a 5 time All-NBA first team player. He's been to an NBA finals and a Western conference finals.

Unless that unknown team was the Bucks, I don't believe any team would pass on him.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Most of you ought to start demonstrating that knowledge, if you expect to be able to claim it publicly. Yourself in particular, as your comments have been embarrassingly ignorant of basketball history.




I'm quite sure that I've been talking basketball -- and many other things -- on the Internet for at least as long. More to the point, the fact that many of you have been hanging around an echo chamber and not learning anything from each other, due to the exceedingly low quality of your comments, does not help you much.




That is precisely what I am doing -- except when I am forced to reply to ad hominem attacks like this one from people who are embarrassed to realize that I know an order of magnitude more than they do.

How about you stick to discussing basketball? Or better yet, listen and learn.



I might not -- I had much higher hopes for the quality of discourse here. I had even thought maybe I wound find people capable of honest debate at a high level, but if those exist here, they are awfully quiet. Perhaps they were shouted down by the ignorant few and their personal attacks on people, and their mothers, which you apparently refer to as "talking basketball".

You haven't attacked people? LOL.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You replied to comment about the Abdul-Jabbar trade with a link about the first Davis trade. So "da fuck you talkin' about?"

See if you can straighten out your story, and explain what point you were attempting to make.

No I had 2 different points.

1. You claimed the Lakers sign AD as a free agent in December 2020 when the fact is they traded with the Pelicans offering picks and players and that was in November of 2019 as my link proves. You just don't know what you are talking as you lecture others.

2. My second point was to respond to your claim that Kareem only wanted to play in NY but the LA had much more to offer due to their superior player acquistions. I wasn't able to add that link as the timer had expired as I carefully explained in my follow up post. Your claim here is also not true. As my link proved he wanted out of Milwaukee because it did not off the things culturally that he desired. This is how I remembered it as well. Any large market would have worked, just as I had claimed. That would include New York LA, Chicago or any number of other cities.

 

[trojanfan12]

What people are failing to realize.....Nico clearly wanted AD and has apparently for several years.

That's why they didn't open it up to a bidding war. He wanted him.

True...how bad this trade is or isn't will be determined by the next couple of seasons...if the Mavs win a title...then it's worth it.

What's potentially bad about the trade isn't that the trade happened (especially if they win) and it's not even that they only dealt with the Lakers.

What is potentially really bad is if the report that Pelinka was able to get the Mavs to lower their asking price is true. If I remember what I read correctly, the Mavs original request was both 1sts and one other player (Knecht, I think) and Rob was able to keep the 1st and Knecht.

I heard a report yesterday (don't know if there's truth to it) that ownership basically told Nico they weren't paying Luka the max deal and to get him moved for whatever they could get.

 

[tc1]

He's 25 years old and is a 5 time All-NBA first team player. He's been to an NBA finals and a Western conference finals.

Yes -- and Dallas also missed the playoffs with Doncic twice already. And again, one surprising run to the Finals does not mean a player is going to make that a habit. As I have repeatedly observed, Allen Iverson led the Sixers to a 5-game loss in the Finals at 25 as well. And then he played in a total of 2 game victories beyond the first round, for the remainder of his career. Okay, Iverson was only 2-time All-NBA at that point, but that's not that a big of a difference -- and Iverson had an MVP award in his pocket.

Unless that unknown team was the Bucks, I don't believe any team would pass on him.

Another credible source listed four candidates. Milwaukee, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, and Denver. I doubt seriously that Milwaukee would trade Antetokounmpo for Doncic, and I don't know why they would. If there's a player in the league physically set to challenge Abdul-Jabbar's longevity, it is probably Antetokounmpo ( obviously discounting James, who is nearly there already ).

 

[DJ Fieri]

True...how bad this trade is or isn't will be determined by the next couple of seasons...if the Mavs win a title...then it's worth it.

What's potentially bad about the trade isn't that the trade happened (especially if they win) and it's not even that they only dealt with the Lakers.

What is potentially really bad is if the report that Pelinka was able to get the Mavs to lower their asking price is true. If I remember what I read correctly, the Mavs original request was both 1sts and one other player (Knecht, I think) and Rob was able to keep the 1st and Knecht.

I heard a report yesterday (don't know if there's truth to it) that ownership basically told Nico they weren't paying Luka the max deal and to get him moved for whatever they could get.

Yeah, Pelinka talked him down to what they traded.

Doncic was obviously worth both picks and Knecht.

 

[trojanfan12]

Please dont let the "mystery team" that passed on this trade be the Miami Heat. LOL.. Im already stressed out enough, I dont need to add that to the mix lol.

According to the Mavs GM, there was no "mystery team", the Lakers were his only phone call.

So you can rest easy. lol

The Heat have Riley and want to unload Jimmy...even it there were a "mystery team", no way in hell it would be the Heat.

 

[tc1]

No I had 2 different points.

1. You claimed the Lakers sign AD as a free agent in December 2020 when the fact is they traded with the Pelicans offering picks and players and that was in November of 2019. You just don't know what you are talking as you act like some expert.

Look it up. I am correct. December 3rd, 2020, the Lakers signed Davis as an unrestricted free agent -- after he played his first season with them, and completed his previous contract.

By the way, you got the date of the Davis trade wrong by 4 months.

I'll await your apology.

2. My second point was to respond to your claim that Kareem only wanted to play in NY but the LA offer was so much stronger.

Read more carefully. I said that everyone assumed the Knicks would trade for him. They were, however, outbid by Los Angeles -- which you citation confirms.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Opting out to be an UFA is a formality most of the time....like when Bron has done it with the Lakers to sign a shorter but higher paying contract....AD was never leaving.

This is so obvious to most. SMH at the lack of comprehension.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yes -- and Dallas also missed the playoffs with Doncic twice already. And again, one surprising run to the Finals does not mean a player is going to make that a habit. As I have repeatedly observed, Allen Iverson led the Sixers to a 5-game loss in the Finals at 25 as well. And then he played in a total of 2 game victories beyond the first round, for the remainder of his career. Okay, Iverson was only 2-time All-NBA at that point, but that's not that a big of a difference -- and Iverson had an MVP award in his pocket.

I don't know why you think that Iverson is relevant here. We are talking about Luka's value today. Today he is clearly considered a top 5 player in the league. Trading those types of players is essentially unheard of, except when the player is forcing their way out. The Sixers didn't trade Iverson the year after he lost in the finals. And he was only traded when he got frustrated with the incompetence of the front office.

Maybe trading Luka was the right move. Maybe there are things about him we don't know. But if you are going to trade a top 5 player then you should make sure that every team in the league gets to put in an offer.

Instead, Harrison got googly eyes for AD and didn't bother to see what the market could offer

Another credible source listed four candidates. Milwaukee, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, and Denver. I doubt seriously that Milwaukee would trade Antetokounmpo for Doncic, and I don't know why they would. If there's a player in the league physically set to challenge Abdul-Jabbar's longevity, it is probably Antetokounmpo ( obviously discounting James, who is nearly there already ).

I doubt that Milwaukee would trade Giannis as well. Spurs wouldn't trade Wemby. Denver wouldn't trade Joker. OKC may or may not be willing to trade SGA.

I can't think of another player out there that the team wouldn't strongly consider trading to get Luka.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Look it up. I am correct. December 3rd, 2020, the Lakers signed Davis as an unrestricted free agent -- after he played his first season with them, and completed his previous contract.

I'll await your apology.



Read more carefully. I said that everyone assumed the Knicks would trade for him. They were, however, outbid by Los Angeles -- which you citation confirms.

I see the issue now. You were referring to the original trade which you considered a one year rental when we all know a team would never give up 3 firsts and players unless they have a deal in place, which they signed a year later. But you are correct, I misread your post so I apologize. But you are still wrong of course, as others have pointed out AD was never leaving LA after one season. The Lakers would have never agreed to that price without knowing they would sign him.

So again we are left with the majority of Lakers all time greats were not drafted by the team they were acquired, often because of the player's desire to play in LA or a city of similar size. Again I was talking about all time greats as I clearly said which obviously includes names like Shaq, Wilt etc. while you wanted to trot out the names Fisher or Van Excel for reasons only known to you.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I don't know why you think that Iverson is relevant here. We are talking about Luka's value today. Today he is clearly considered a top 5 player in the league. Trading those types of players is essentially unheard of, except when the player is forcing their way out. The Sixers didn't trade Iverson the year after he lost in the finals. And he was only traded when he got frustrated with the incompetence of the front office.

Maybe trading Luka was the right move. Maybe there are things about him we don't know. But if you are going to trade a top 5 player then you should make sure that every team in the league gets to put in an offer.

Instead, Harrison got googly eyes for AD and didn't bother to see what the market could offer




I doubt that Milwaukee would trade Giannis as well. Spurs wouldn't trade Wemby. Denver wouldn't trade Joker. OKC may or may not be willing to trade SGA.

I can't think of another player out there that the team wouldn't strongly consider trading to get Luka.

And AD is a current top 8-10 player in the League and a premier C. Probably right behind Joker since Embiid is hurt.

Let's not act like the Mavs traded Luka for a bunch of trash.

 

[DJ Fieri]

And clearly (as has been mentioned several times here) Nico has wanted AD the last few years but has never been willing to deal Luka.

Well, he was now and Rob took the deal.

 

[tc1]

I don't know why you think that Iverson is relevant here. We are talking about Luka's value today.

People continually cite Doncic's one trip to the Finals at 25 years old as evidence of his value. Iverson did exactly the same thing, and not many others have, so he is the closet comparison of which I am aware. This is how valuation works, one looks for comparables and compares them. People also cite Doncic's 30ppg playoff average. Iverson finished at 29.73. Again, extremely comparable.

Doncic is the better passer, but Iverson actually got DPOY votes in several seasons, finishing as high as 6th -- and I will be exceedingly shocked if Doncic ever matches that feat.

Maybe trading Luka was the right move. Maybe there are things about him we don't know. But if you are going to trade a top 5 player then you should make sure that every team in the league gets to put in an offer.

Instead, Harrison got googly eyes for AD and didn't bother to see what the market could offer

I never said otherwise. I am just explaining to people that Doncic's value is not as high as many believe it to be.