Is Jim Edmonds a Hall of Famer??

[GNG]

How many 2nd basemen since WW2 have had better overall careers than Whitaker? The list is very, very short.

He was good but not HOF worthy.

 

[GNG]

Then again, there are quite a few guys in the Hall who I'd say weren't as good as Edmonds on an overall career basis.

Not that many.

 

[pennstatenut]

After thinking it over it's still NO.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Not that many.

He's got a higher career WAR than more than 50 position players in the HOF, including guys who've been inducted in the past 15 years such Jim Rice, Tony Perez, Kirby Puckett, Orlando Cepeda.

We can argue all day long whether he's worthy since he's borderline, but he'd be far from the worst player in the HOF.

 

[broncosmitty]

Jeff Kent doesn't get enough love IMO.

I've always viewed his offense as a product of hitting behind Barry Bonds. I could be wrong for thinking that though.

Id put Utley and Biggio above Kent.

 

[Loneranger]

1,949 hits

no

fucking


way


nice player, but not a HOFer...not a game changer...never considered the best at anything in his time.

this is how you make enemies around here. Tell someone here there is one player who hit 20hr in a season who doesn't belong in the HoF and you're in trouble. This is just another example of the posters here not having any understanding of WTF a HoF player is. Jim Edmonds goes in and they'll have to build the biggest addition yet to fit the rest of them coming behind him. I can't believe anyone would even start this thread

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Trammell yes but Whitaker no.

I have neither of them in the HOF... Don't think either deserves it... And No, I am not one of those who says because player A made it into the HOF then player B should too...

 

[Rock Strongo]

this is how you make enemies around here. Tell someone here there is one player who hit 20hr in a season who doesn't belong in the HoF and you're in trouble. This is just another example of the posters here not having any understanding of WTF a HoF player is. Jim Edmonds goes in and they'll have to build the biggest addition yet to fit the rest of them coming behind him. I can't believe anyone would even start this thread

even after the "he was the best CFer in baseball blah blah blah" i still dont consider him the best at his position at all....maybe a few years, up there with the best...but his overall game?

nice player. hard nosed. good defensive CFer. nice OPS...

17 years

4 100 RBI seasons

30 or more HR 5 times

high in hits was 184, 155 after that

his career averages are 115 hits, 23 HR and 71 RBI, 74 runs

nice player, but i will see him in line for a ticket.

 

[Loneranger]

even after the "he was the best CFer in baseball blah blah blah" i still dont consider him the best at his position at all....maybe a few years, up there with the best...but his overall game?

nice player. hard nosed. good defensive CFer. nice OPS...

17 years

4 100 RBI seasons

30 or more HR 5 times

high in hits was 184, 155 after that

his career averages are 115 hits, 23 HR and 71 RBI, 74 runs

nice player, but i will see him in line for a ticket.

the one standard I nearly always apply is simply what you've pointed out: " was he ever the best in the game at his position?". If he wasn't then wtf are we talking about? I just get aggravated at the kids who claim to be experts with all their new age stats and couldn't identify a real ballplayer if they had to. Everyone in their book is an all time great and they think every yr the HoF class should be 25 players. Joke

 

[StanMarsh51]

" i still dont consider him the best at his position at all....maybe a few years, up there with the best...but his overall game?

So which CF was better overall from say, 2000-2005?

And yes, he had 4 seasons of 30+ HR, but he did have 10 seasons of 25+ HR, which is pretty rare for a CFer in any era, wouldn't you agree? CFers aren't exactly known as big time power hitters as a 1B or corner OFer is.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I might be the only one here, but I have Vince Coleman in the HOF and certainly Tim Raines...

But definitely not Jim Edmonds!!

 

[StanMarsh51]

I might be the only one here, but I have Vince Coleman in the HOF and certainly Tim Raines...

But definitely not Jim Edmonds!!

Raines should absolutely be in.

Coleman should absolutely not be in. The only thing he wasn't mediocre at best in was stealing bases, and I don't think that's enough.

 

[Rock Strongo]

So which CF was better overall from say, 2000-2005?

2000-2005: (not counting OPS)

edmonds (139 hits, 34 HR and 96 RBI per year average)

torii hunter had some fantastic years (averaged 132 hits, 21 HR 78 RBI and very solid defense)

johnny damon had some great years (averaged 185 hits, 14 HR 73 RBI and very solid defense)

bernie williams, even at the end of his career in that time...

160 hits, 21 HR 90 RBI...hit near .300

its not like edmonds was the only guy in CF doing great things for that span of time and id take williams over edmonds.

edmonds stuck out...a lot.

 

[StanMarsh51]

2000-2005: (not counting OPS)

edmonds (139 hits, 34 HR and 96 RBI per year average)

torii hunter had some fantastic years (averaged 132 hits, 21 HR 78 RBI and very solid defense)

johnny damon had some great years (averaged 185 hits, 14 HR 73 RBI and very solid defense)

bernie williams, even at the end of his career in that time...

160 hits, 21 HR 90 RBI...hit near .300

its not like edmonds was the only guy in CF doing great things for that span of time and id take williams over edmonds.

edmonds stuck out...a lot.

Why would you count hits but not OPS? Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

From 2000-2005:
Edmonds - .292 AVG, .989 OPS
Damon - .294 AVG, .796 OPS
Bernie - .289 AVG, .846 OPS
Hunter - .269 AVG, .792 OPS

You're delusional if you think Bernie, Damon or Hunter during that stretch was better than Edmonds.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Why would you count hits but not OPS? Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

From 2000-2005:
Edmonds - .292 AVG, .989 OPS
Damon - .294 AVG, .796 OPS
Bernie - .289 AVG, .846 OPS
Hunter - .269 AVG, .792 OPS

You're delusional if you think Bernie, Damon or Hunter during that stretch was better than Edmonds.

did you miss the part i said "less OPS"?

i think so

i also never said they were "better" i said they were also doing some great things in CF.

use the words i used.

did you forget how i pointed out edmonds crazy K totals compared to the others?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Raines should absolutely be in.

Coleman should absolutely not be in. The only thing he wasn't mediocre at best in was stealing bases, and I don't think that's enough.

13 years of play and 752 SB makes him a HOF in my book... And yes, that is the only stat I am looking at... He is 6th all time in SB in only 13 seasons...

just for the record... I am very big on milestone numbers: although I do use my own... And I have the milestone for SBs be 750, so anyone with more makes the HOF... Coleman just barely makes it...

I also have Curt Schilling making the HOF for surpassing the 3000 Strike out milestone...

 

[StanMarsh51]

did you miss the part i said "less OPS"?

i think so

i also never said they were "better" i said they were also doing some great things in CF.

use the words i used.

did you forget how i pointed out edmonds crazy K totals compared to the others?

You said you'd take Bernie over Edmonds, which likely means you thought he was better, no? Or would you rather have Bernie because he has a better smile?

"for that span of time and id take williams over edmonds."


And your logic for omitting OPS is clearly because it doesn't help your argument any.

Not to mention, you keep bringing up K's...Ichiro K's less than Mike Trout, so what? I'd rather have the guy who's much better overall than the guy who merely K's less.



So back to my question...who was a better overall CF than Edmonds from 2000-2005?

 

[Rock Strongo]

You said you'd take Bernie over Edmonds, which means you thought he was better, no?

"for that span of time and id take williams over edmonds."


And your logic for omitting OPS is clearly because it doesn't help your argument any.

Not to mention, you keep bringing up K's...Ichiro K's less than Mike Trout, so what? I'd rather have the guy who's much better overall than the guy who merely K's less.

no, i omitted OPS because its the NL.

i do that when crossing leagues.

i dunno...id rather have a guy who k's 100 or less, hits around .300, and gets more hits vs a free swinger like edmonds was.

he was a nice player...but as everyone agrees here...not a HOFer.

williams is a guy i think who deserves the hall.

 

[StanMarsh51]

13 years of play and 752 SB makes him a HOF in my book... And yes, that is the only stat I am looking at... He is 6th all time in SB in only 13 seasons...

just for the record... I am very big on milestone numbers: although I do use my own... And I have the milestone for SBs be 750, so anyone with more makes the HOF... Coleman just barely makes it...

I also have Curt Schilling making the HOF for surpassing the 3000 Strike out milestone...

Part of the reason he needed all those steals was because he added very little value in other things offensively, such as power and getting on base.

I mean, if he were to be a better hitter but as a trade-off stole less bases and stole say 500 bases, was he any worse of a player?

 

[Rock Strongo]

coleman is in no way a HOFer

rock raines, should be