Is Jim Edmonds a Hall of Famer??

[Rock Strongo]

.900+ OPS years

edmonds - 7

williams - 7

 

[Rock Strongo]

Bernie Williams had one fewer year, but he had over 1,000 more plate appearances. Which makes comparing counting numbers even stupider.

2,336 hits. I guess we better get Johnny Damon into the HOF!!!

williams was the biggest part of those teams not named jeter IMO

damon had more hits but never had an OPS close to .900. williams had .900 or better 7 times.

damon never had a 100 RBI season

williams had 5

 

[Rock Strongo]

Bernie Williams had one fewer year, but he had over 1,000 more plate appearances. Which makes comparing counting numbers even stupider.

2,336 hits. I guess we better get Johnny Damon into the HOF!!!

do you still insist bernies career numbers "werent even better" than edmonds?

curious

 

[navamind]

do you still insist bernies career numbers "werent even better" than edmonds?

curious

Yes, because all I see you doing is cherry picking arbitrary stats.

 

[Wazmankg]

I might be the only one here, but I have Vince Coleman in the HOF and certainly Tim Raines...

But definitely not Jim Edmonds!!

Vince Coleman ? We can always count on you to come out of left field with something truly absurd. Ok, let's hear why.

 

[navamind]

And of course Johnny Damon never had 100+ RBI. He was primarily a leadoff hitter. 7411 PA as a #1 hitter, 1652 as a #2 hitter. There's been exactly three players ever that had 100+ RBI as a leadoff hitter. Ellsbury (2011), Darin Erstad (2000), and Brady Anderson (1996).

 

[navamind]

Vince Coleman ? We can always count on you to come out of left field with something truly absurd. Ok, let's hear why.

"He was a great base runner even though he sucked at everything else. Put him in."

 

[navamind]

the only thing Williams really had for him was that he was more durable.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Vince Coleman ? We can always count on you to come out of left field with something truly absurd. Ok, let's hear why.

I explained already, but don't mind doing it again... It is solely on Stolen base numbers... He surpasses my SB milestone of 750.

I use my own milestone #s, I take what would be a good to great year in each individual drived counting stat(HR,SB,Hits, Wins, Ks, Saves) and multiply it by 15 seasons...

so it would be (45,50,200,20,200,40) and then multiply by 15(675,750,3000,300,3000,600)

and this is why I also have Curt Schilling as a HOF, since he has over 3000 SOs...

But then with further examination on Coleman he had a 6 season consecutive span with more than 65 SB and had 3 seasons with 100 or more in that span... While getting picked off at a very low rate...

He is 6th all time in SBs and that is with only playing 13 seasons... He is clearly one of the best base runners of all time, and had a span where you can arguably call him the best of all time...

 

[Wazmankg]

But there are aspects of being a player... He was one of the All time Best at base running... He may have only had a 6 year span of being one of the best, but how is that any different than Sandy Koufax and other short span Greatness...

I know there is a huge difference between Koufax and coleman... But the point is still valid...

No in fact when you acknowledge that there is "a huge difference between Koufax and Coleman" it directly invalidates your point. Being the best pitcher in the game for a relatively short period of time is immeasurably more important than being the best base stealer especially when you aren't much good at anything else.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Yes, because all I see you doing is cherry picking arbitrary stats.

how is it possible bernies career numbers "werent close" to edmonds yet he surpasses edmonds in many of the necessary statistical areas...like hits, RBI, runs, etc?

and those 1,000 PA's...kinda speaks volumes if he played one less year than edmonds doesnt it?

 

[Rock Strongo]

And of course Johnny Damon never had 100+ RBI. He was primarily a leadoff hitter. 7411 PA as a #1 hitter, 1652 as a #2 hitter. There's been exactly three players ever that had 100+ RBI as a leadoff hitter. Ellsbury (2011), Darin Erstad (2000), and Brady Anderson (1996).

noted, and a quick oversight on my part

seasons of .900+ OPS?