Is Jim Edmonds a Hall of Famer??

[broncosmitty]

They both won GG's at the same time. Apparently, the award doesn't discriminate.

It was only in '11 that outfield positions were separated.

 

[Montalban]

All very Good points. But still, Seattle Mariners Griffey is the best player I've seen since I started watching baseball in '85. Trout is moving his way up the list though.

What great team that Seattle team was with Griffey, A Rod, Buhner and Edgar Martinez and Randy Johnson

 

[Clayton]

Why on earth is Griffey or Molina brought into this thread at all?

Edmonds had over twice the RBIs and over 4 times as many HRs as Molina. The criteria that someone needs to be the best at their position for a period of time to be in the Hall of Fame is also really dumb.

I think its fair to say that Edmonds resume is a step below a Hall of Famer resume which means that he is behind like 20 players that for some reason aren't in the HOF. He was one heck of a player, though. I wouldn't mind it too much if he got in but he won't.

 

[StanMarsh51]

All very Good points. But still, Seattle Mariners Griffey is the best player I've seen since I started watching baseball in '85. Trout is moving his way up the list though.

I'd say Bonds was better even before he started roiding around 2000. Bonds had a 163 OPS+ and 8.4 WAR/162 prior to 2000 compared to Griffey's 149 OPS+ and 7.3 WAR/162 (Bonds was also a 400/400 player at that point).

 

[StanMarsh51]

Trammell yes but Whitaker no.

How many 2nd basemen since WW2 have had better overall careers than Whitaker? The list is very, very short.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Fuck no!!!

I loved Jim when he was with the Angels, but he was just a very good player.....never an elite player. His defense was excellent, but he wasn't a great player imo. And only great players deserve to get in the HOF.

 

[DJ Fieri]

He is probably one of those borderline players.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Fuck no!!!

I loved Jim when he was with the Angels, but he was just a very good player.....never an elite player. His defense was excellent, but he wasn't a great player imo. And only great players deserve to get in the HOF.

The guy had a 5 year stretch where he averaged .298/36/100 with a 1.003 OPS (157 OPS+) from the CF position and you don't consider that elite? I'd say any player who's posting a 150 OPS+ from a premium defensive position is elite for that season/stretch.

 

[DJ Fieri]

The guy had a 5 year stretch where he averaged .298/36/100 with a 1.003 OPS (157 OPS+) from the CF position and you don't consider that elite? I'd say any player who's posting a 150 OPS+ from a premium defensive position is elite for that season/stretch.

I saw him play a lot. A 5 year stretch out of a 17 year career is what you consider HOF material? I guess our standards are different.

And I loved the way he played the game, 100% balls out.

 

[StanMarsh51]

I saw him play a lot. A 5 year stretch out of a 17 year career is what you consider HOF material? I guess our standards are different.

And I loved the way he played the game, 100% balls out.

He was a much better player with the Cardinals than he was with the Angels, so if you watched him mostly with the Angels, then did you really see him at his peak/prime?

When a player's best 5 year stretch is as good as Edmonds is, combined with the rest of his career (he had very good seasons in years such as 2005, 1996, 1997, 1998), I'd say he's pretty close and borderline.

 

[broncosmitty]

How many 2nd basemen since WW2 have had better overall careers than Whitaker? The list is very, very short.

Joe Morgan, Robbi Alomar and Ryne Sandberg definitely had better careers.

Several others that someone could argue. Such as Jackie Robinson, but the man didn't even play 750 games at that position. No matter what, the list is short.

 

[DJ Fieri]

He was a much better player with the Cardinals than he was with the Angels, so if you watched him mostly with the Angels, then did you really see him at his peak/prime?

When a player's best 5 year stretch is as good as Edmonds is, combined with the rest of his career (he had very good seasons in years such as 2005, 1996, 1997, 1998), I'd say he's pretty close and borderline.

I saw him play when he was with then Angels and the Cards (since I also follow the Dodgers).

And I said: "He is probably one of those borderline players."

 

[Clayton]

He was a much better player with the Cardinals than he was with the Angels, so if you watched him mostly with the Angels, then did you really see him at his peak/prime?

Edmonds was pretty amazing as a Cardinal. I have him and Chris Carpenter on my 10 favorite players list and neither put together a HOF career. It is what it is. Cooperstown has some pretty insane standards.

Thinking about Edmonds, it does make you wonder how good a guy like Willie Mays would be in today's game with how much it has evolved every year.

 

[Wazmankg]

It wasn't 4 or 5 years. It was his entire career. He and Griffey were both great CF'ers in the 90's. Griffey hit better and thus was awarded the GG's.

My favorite Edmonds catch...

He caught everything he could touch and that's worth a lot, but there are probably several CFers who make that catch without leaving their feet. Just sayin.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Joe Morgan, Robbi Alomar and Ryne Sandberg definitely had better careers.

Several others that someone could argue. Such as Jackie Robinson, but the man didn't even play 750 games at that position. No matter what, the list is short.

I don't even know if Sandberg had a better career than Whitaker...just looking from a numbers perspective, they're pretty close, with Whitaker having a slightly higher career OPS+ and WAR.

 

[Mondo Jay]

Joe Morgan, Robbi Alomar and Ryne Sandberg definitely had better careers.

Several others that someone could argue. Such as Jackie Robinson, but the man didn't even play 750 games at that position. No matter what, the list is short.

Jeff Kent doesn't get enough love IMO.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Jeff Kent doesn't get enough love IMO.

I don't think he was nearly as good as any of those four (Morgan, Sandberg, Alomar, Whitaker). When comparing him to other great 2B, his offense wasn't good enough to compensate for him being a below average defensive 2B and providing nothing of value on the bases.

 

[Davis_Mike]

I would not put him in.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Edmonds was pretty amazing as a Cardinal. I have him and Chris Carpenter on my 10 favorite players list and neither put together a HOF career. It is what it is. Cooperstown has some pretty insane standards.

Thinking about Edmonds, it does make you wonder how good a guy like Willie Mays would be in today's game with how much it has evolved every year.

Then again, there are quite a few guys in the Hall who I'd say weren't as good as Edmonds on an overall career basis.

 

[Mondo Jay]

I don't think he was nearly as good as any of those four (Morgan, Sandberg, Alomar, Whitaker). When comparing him to other great 2B, his offense wasn't good enough to compensate for him being a below average defensive 2B and providing nothing of value on the bases.

Kent had a better OPS+ than Sandberg, Alomar and Whitaker while driving in 100 runs 8 times in his career. He also has an MVP. Obviously his glove wasn't good, but I still think he is undervalued.